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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:13:42 AM   
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I personally find it very hard to believe that cons out number libs.
I don't know how this poll is conducted.

It's like the polls for clinton winning. They were just polling clinton supporters.


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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:14:46 AM   
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another companion piece:

"why liberals hate religion"

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...Yet Liberals continue in their fervent desire to erase any mention of God, the Bible, or Christianity in our nation. Why do they campaign so eagerly for God to be escorted out of our schools, government, courtrooms, and public places?

Simply put God is not only our Creator but also the source of all liberty, and the source of our nation’s founding. The Founders made all this very, very clear. And this scenario my friends just does not match the Liberal utopian fantasy the Left wants America to be.

In Liberal think government, run by Liberals of course, is the sole source of liberty and the judge of how much liberty the people can be trusted with. God gets in the way of this since He is the true source of our freedoms. So Liberals must first push God out of the way before they can establish their god, government, as the Supreme Being.

Hence the steady campaign by the Left to remove God as far as possible from as many places as possible...

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism."--Karl marx



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968340/posts

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:16:18 AM   
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then go to the website greta, follow the information to its source and read the methodology.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:22:16 AM   
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"Liberals Hate Religion Because Government Is Their God"

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The liberal attack on religion stems from envy, greed, anger and hate, just like every other precept of liberalism. Liberals envy the loyalty and devotion that religion inspires. They hunger greedily to have it for themselves.

Mostly, they are angry because the religious dare to defy them and to reject the ugly and inhuman tenets of collectivism. And they hate God for having the temerity to define right and wrong. They consider that their sole prerogative...

Some, embracing the “New Atheism” of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Bill Maher, attack religion directly. Back on August 29, 2013, Matty Yglesias, a liberal blogger known only for his experience in the field of being a liberal blogger, tweeted: “I take an old-school Jacobin-style line that religion should be stamped out.”

Here’s a helpful hint, Matt. The end with the hole is the one that goes “bang.” That’s the end you’ll want to point at those religious people whose religion you want to stamp out. I know a bunch of people who would die to preserve their religion. I’m not sure Matt would be willing to die to stamp it out – or that he could find any other sucker willing to lose his life trying to fulfill that liberal fantasy.

What Matt reveals is the not-so-hidden desire of the left to wipe out every competing power center in society, and religion is a competing power center. He, and his goosestepping brethren, hate the idea that people might hold and act upon beliefs other than those he and his pals cooked up at some D.C. cocktail party or in some faculty lounge at the local university’s Oppression Studies Department. This is why they must break religion to their will. Some, like the alleged Presbyterians who recently divested in Israel, are only too eager to obey by choosing leftism over God’s chosen people.

But where they can’t stamp faith with their brand, they will seek to stamp it out. My new book,Conservative Insurgency, is a speculative history of the future struggle against the false religion of liberalism, and it anticipates that this war on those of faith will only get worse before it gets better. But then oppression is something the religious (and secular people who defend religious liberty) have faced throughout history. Yet today, the religious have tools they did not necessarily have in the past – first and foremost, a Constitution that protects our right to practice our religion as we see fit. Moreover, we also have social media that allows us to bypass the secular gatekeepers to spread information and organize.

Oh, and we also have God on our side.


http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2014/07/07/liberals-hate-religion-because-government-is-their-god-n1858846

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:31:12 AM   
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LMAO no, most lefties have been indoctrinated from childhood and escaped the pull of the church and its lies, hypocrisy and blindness to the real message of "christianity" .
Its the churches fault, they are losing believers. Oh and believers like you, who are the epitome of being ugly towards your (non christian) outlook towards the poor and sick.
Let alone your inability to see your own hypocrisy.




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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:37:51 AM   
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I wasn't aware liberals hated religion.

Was that in the handbook?

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:41:00 AM   
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well large numbers of liberal people I know go to church, but my response was inartful. my bad....but a large number of atheists were christian for the reasons I stated.
I was a christian before I was a liberal.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:42:00 AM   
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I believe that most people have an innate spirituality born from our logical minds. It is our way of trying to explain the impossible... the reality of magic that had to occur for the universe to be created from nothing at the beginning... or if not a beginning then time without beginning. This fact can never be explained by science but it can be imagined spiritually.

As long as our species exists this spirituality will continue to manifest itself in each new generation. I'm not sure if we are blessed or cursed to be able to contemplate eternity... Life would be much simpler if we didn't look to the stars for the explanation of us.

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Nicely written, Butch. I would think there is awe among scientists who contemplate the beginning or the eternity of things. I have heard them speak of that feeling.

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Our minds require a beginning and before that beginning there could only be nothing and that fact is beyond and will always beyond our comprehension.

You might consider the possibility that the need for a beginning to all things is not inborn but a logic we embrace from seeing creatures being born and seeing creatures die. The need for a beginning may not apply to the universe. We just don't know, but we know it applies to our family, our friends, and to us.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:46:06 AM   
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if you read the list you'll see at least a bit of accurate indictment (just look in the posts above and below to see it). and in other words, look in the mirror comrades:

"ten reasons why liberals hate Christians"

quote:

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.

2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.

3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.

4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.

7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.

8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.

9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.


http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians




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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 8:55:25 AM   
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Your mind is not you but yours. The *yours* is where spirituality comes from, not from the mind.

You say that with such firm confidence but where do you locate your Self? Is the Self you identify situated in your left foot? Is it in your tummy? Most of us locate our Self in our head, in our brain. Could it be that the Self is a creation derived from all the internal and external experiences of the brain?

Maybe the Self is an illusion created by the brain. Maybe it is an ephemeral representation the brain creates to encounter and through encounters with the world. Maybe the brain is you and you are the brain, which is located in the skull that sits on your vertebral column. Maybe the illusion of Self and Self itself die with the death of the brain.

Hmmmm? Just asking.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 9:12:52 AM   
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4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

Nahhh . . . most liberals were likely raised in the Judaeo-Christian tradition and we are well schooled in the philosophical brotherhood espoused by Jesus . . protect and give sustenance to the poor and infirm. It is Christians who disagree with one another. This group believes in transubstantiation and in salvation by good works. That group believes in the literal inerrancy of the bible while another believes in the infallibility of a man in a long dress. And yet another group believes in predestination of the chosen for salvation, and that works are a sign of the chosen. These last are especially so smug. You lot cannot get your act together.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 9:36:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Your mind is not you but yours. The *yours* is where spirituality comes from, not from the mind.

You say that with such firm confidence but where do you locate your Self? Is the Self you identify situated in your left foot? Is it in your tummy? Most of us locate our Self in our head, in our brain. Could it be that the Self is a creation derived from all the internal and external experiences of the brain?

Maybe the Self is an illusion created by the brain. Maybe it is an ephemeral representation the brain creates to encounter and through encounters with the world. Maybe the brain is you and you are the brain, which is located in the skull that sits on your vertebral column. Maybe the illusion of Self and Self itself die with the death of the brain.

Hmmmm? Just asking.


I try to keep myself centered in my body the best that i can. If i spend too much time using my mind i end up barely being aware of my body and end up having my mind just dragging my body around. Also, if i keep my mind and my body in balance, i can use my energy much more efficiently to keep this creature i am living in strong and healthy. So basically I try to stay centered but I admit that using my mind is my favorite thing to do. I like to go for walks in nature to help encourage me to focus on using my five senses, which helps me use my whole body and keep everything better balanced. How about you?

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 9:37:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

if you read the list you'll see at least a bit of accurate indictment (just look in the posts above and below to see it). and in other words, look in the mirror comrades:

"ten reasons why liberals hate Christians"

quote:

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.

2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.

3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.

4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.

7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.

8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.

9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.


http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians




I work with literally dozens of liberals who are Christians as well. I personally know many, many more. They don't hate Christians. They do however have issues with people who tell them that if they were good Christians they would hate liberals. They seem to get that a lot.

The original article had nothing to do with liberals and or conservatives and bringing them into it does not negate nor even address the issues brought up in the OP.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 9:43:34 AM   
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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 9:52:57 AM   
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I work with literally dozens of liberals who are Christians as well. I personally know many, many more. They don't hate Christians. They do however have issues with people who tell them that if they were good Christians they would hate liberals. They seem to get that a lot.

Funny thing, those liberal christians seen to actually walk the walk a lot better then their alt-reich brethren do. If there is a god, I think they would be awfully upset at the alt-reich christians' actions and behavior and they're going to be in for a rather rude awakening should they ever get to their promised judgment day.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 10:06:36 AM   
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Christians believe in absolute truth.

who what now?

edited to add....the attribution it so deserves......

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

if you read the list you'll see at least a bit of accurate indictment (just look in the posts above and below to see it). and in other words, look in the mirror comrades:

"ten reasons why liberals hate Christians"

quote:

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.

2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.

3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.

4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.

7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.

8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.

9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.


http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4986771

Thanks Stef

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 10:09:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

I work with literally dozens of liberals who are Christians as well. I personally know many, many more. They don't hate Christians. They do however have issues with people who tell them that if they were good Christians they would hate liberals. They seem to get that a lot.

Funny thing, those liberal christians seen to actually walk the walk a lot better then their alt-reich brethren do. If there is a god, I think they would be awfully upset at the alt-reich christians' actions and behavior and they're going to be in for a rather rude awakening should they ever get to their promised judgment day.

Yeah, one of those liberal Christians, a professor at a Christian university here in town, started his own church after doing some outreach work. He had come across so many young adults and teenagers who had had difficult home lives so they had run away, or gotten involved in drugs, or some other tragedy that led them to a hard few years. When they finally cleaned up and started getting their life back together and wanted to see what comfort they could find in religion, many of them were never made to feel welcome in the churches they attended, because of their past lives. So this professor started a church where he is pastor, and he reaches out to the communities where there are people like that, and brings them in.

He spends half his time working at a well-known Christian university, teaching and ministering to young adults who mostly come from traditional Christian homes and chose a Christian-value based university education over all others, and is very popular among them. Then he leaves them and hits the streets and maintains a fully operational church for people who have been made to feel like they aren't worthy of church.

And he sees no conflict between the two. How very liberal of him.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 10:19:47 AM   
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Too bad the primitive cult known as Islam fails to modernize, change, or evolve in any significant way

Other than utilizing modern explosives and arms to destroy ancient relics and populations etc of course


They DID change.




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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 10:25:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Christians believe in absolute truth.

who what now?

Might want to attribute that quote ;)

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/4/2017 10:27:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

if you read the list you'll see at least a bit of accurate indictment (just look in the posts above and below to see it). and in other words, look in the mirror comrades:

"ten reasons why liberals hate Christians"

quote:

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.

2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.

3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.

4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.

7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.

8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.

9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.


http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians


How could you possibly think that an 'article' that blatantly calls liberals 'immoral', 'selfish', 'spiritually lost' and 'blind to the truth of the gospel' can be trusted? Is this seriously what you consider a source that is capable of objectivity?

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