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BoscoX -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/4/2017 3:22:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444

maybe not once taxpayers get the bill for the bribe Trump gave Ford.. Carrier got tax breaks, think Ford didnt get something behind the scenes? FYI, the national debt is hitting $20 Trillion any day now..


Under Obama forcing manufacturing OUT of ther country. As an alt left lib you have no clue where tax money comes from

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oh, and its just temporary at best.. from your article:

"Ford isn’t abandoning expanded production in Mexico.

The automaker said that to “improve company profitability” it would build its next-generation Ford Focus at an existing plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2018. The production is being moved from Wayne, Mich."



THOSE jobs are staing, nothing you posted states otherwise. Ford may not have abandoned the concept of moving jobs out of the country but they have said publicly that they are encouraged enough by President Elect Trump's pro-business agenda (counter to Obam's anti-business insanity) to abandon the plans to move the jobs mentioned in the OP to Mexico




MrRodgers -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/4/2017 4:34:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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I feel like Made in USA cars never gotten as much respect as Made In Germany or Made in Japan internationally. Especially cars!

As I said, US kinda lost out in manufacturing world wide which I feel is sad, because I believe Made In USA used to be associated with quality in the long distance past.

Japan and Germany aren't exactly cheap countries with cheap currencies like China.

But they still got a foot into manufacturing by having a good reputation and getting people to pay the premium required.

Like in my country, Japanese brands like Toyota is making in Thailand, yet we still rather purchase from parallel importers who imports authentic Made in Japan Toyota than buy from the official distributor, the Made in Thailand ones. And I think many don't regret paying the premium.

Some of those Made in Thailand ones can be lemons. A Made In Japan car has like zero problems.


Most Japanese cars and trucks are made here. JD Power, Americans make the best Japanese trucks with 12% fewer mech. and cosmetic defects.

The new Nissan Titan isn’t just built in America, it was designed here too. The 2016 Titan was designed in California, engineered in Michigan, and tested in the Arizona desert. Like so many other Nissan vehicles, it’s assembled at the Nissan plant in Canton, Mississippi. Although the transmission is sourced from Japan, both of the 2016 Nissan Titan’s powerful engines are also 100% American-built. The diesel engine is made in Columbus, Indiana, while the gasoline engine is made in Tennessee. Over half of the Nissan Titan’s other parts are also sourced from the US and Canada.

This year’s AMI (American made index) yielded a few surprises. The Toyota Camry is, apparently, the most American vehicle on sale in the U.S. Surprise No. 2: Ford fell off the list entirely this year even though the F-150 pickup topped the list in 2013 and 2014. (A Chrysler hasn't shown up since 2012.) Surprise No. 3: Ten years ago, when Cars.com began compiling the AMI, 29 vehicles made the cut; this year, only seven did—not even enough for a Top Ten. Globalization is here.

So how many consumers actually care and/or know about their vehicle’s geographical roots? According to Patrick Olsen, the editor in chief of Cars.com, in 2011 23% of purchasing consumers would only buy American, a percentage that has jumped to 28% in 2015. But do they understand that a Toyota Camry is by measure more apple pie than a Dodge Challenger, which is manufactured in Canada ? (Camaro too 24/7 and assembled with about 12 people I think per shift...the rest robots) Probably not, but the car companies who make the tally find such accolades heavy-duty marketing fodder.

“It reinforces the Americanization story of Toyota,” says Bill Fay, general manager of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S. “We operate ten plants in the U.S., build more than 2 million vehicles here, and 71% of our sales [here in America] are vehicles built in North America.”
The full list of Cars.com 2015 American Made Index winners:


Toyota Camry
Toyota Sienna
Chevrolet Traverse
Honda Odyssey
GMC Acadia
Buick Enclave
Chevrolet Corvette

HERE

Oh and BTW, yes, Americans will pay more for American made cars.




MrRodgers -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/4/2017 5:01:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tj444

maybe not once taxpayers get the bill for the bribe Trump gave Ford.. Carrier got tax breaks, think Ford didnt get something behind the scenes? FYI, the national debt is hitting $20 Trillion any day now..


Under Obama forcing manufacturing OUT of ther country. As an alt left lib you have no clue where tax money comes from

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oh, and its just temporary at best.. from your article:

"Ford isn’t abandoning expanded production in Mexico.

The automaker said that to “improve company profitability” it would build its next-generation Ford Focus at an existing plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2018. The production is being moved from Wayne, Mich."



THOSE jobs are staing, nothing you posted states otherwise. Ford may not have abandoned the concept of moving jobs out of the country but they have said publicly that they are encouraged enough by President Elect Trump's pro-business agenda (counter to Obam's anti-business insanity) to abandon the plans to move the jobs mentioned in the OP to Mexico

As I understand, Ford was years ago, going to redo and reopen a plant in downtown Detroit. Yes, it's still there after all of these years. When however, the city and the state of Mich., couldn't come up with enough of a bribe...Ford settled for staying in Mex.

Yes, the publicity is and [it] may provide a few anecdotal instances of American jobs remaining here in the US. There will still be a 'bribe' involved, will not bring back jobs and will not save every job and it cannot and will not...continue indefinitely and of course has nothing whatever to do...with Obama's policies.

You see, dems think it's a good idea for American cos. to keep jobs here even if it does cost a little more. The right (repubs) are perfectly ok with spending your tax dollars to bribe the profiteers...to keep a few jobs here or pit state vs state to have jobs moved in. Then they tax the great rich capitalist proletariat to make up the difference.

You see serf, give me 80% of your corn instead of 70% of your corn and I won't get govt. to sanction me whipping you for not making you my slave and giving me...ALL (100%) of your corn. (cotton)

So you see it's really not about small limited, fiscally conservative govt. at all. It's about taking your money, taxing your labor to give to and beef up their sponsor's profits and NOT taxing that to pay for it or competing for (bidding for) jobs with your tax money.

You see, what a corp. spokesperson says publicly and what the co. does with its jobs, is recorded in two different places on the corp. ledger. One is publicity otherwise advertising and as often...bullshit. While the other increases profits.

When will the people of the world learn that the reason Milton Friedman received a Nobel Prize is not because he simply affirmed that the corporation owed absolutely nothing to society despite the egregious benefits civil and national govt. bestows upon it, but that it was high time that labor get used to getting poorer and poorer...because of it. And that is a fact of life, no matter who is....president of the US.




tj444 -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/4/2017 7:36:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tj444

maybe not once taxpayers get the bill for the bribe Trump gave Ford.. Carrier got tax breaks, think Ford didnt get something behind the scenes? FYI, the national debt is hitting $20 Trillion any day now..


Under Obama forcing manufacturing OUT of ther country. As an alt left lib you have no clue where tax money comes from

quote:

oh, and its just temporary at best.. from your article:

"Ford isn’t abandoning expanded production in Mexico.

The automaker said that to “improve company profitability” it would build its next-generation Ford Focus at an existing plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2018. The production is being moved from Wayne, Mich."



THOSE jobs are staing, nothing you posted states otherwise. Ford may not have abandoned the concept of moving jobs out of the country but they have said publicly that they are encouraged enough by President Elect Trump's pro-business agenda (counter to Obam's anti-business insanity) to abandon the plans to move the jobs mentioned in the OP to Mexico


So cuz I see this farce for the joke that it is, that makes me a liberal??? OMFG! keep drinking the Kool-aid dude, the US needs more people like you.. [sm=rofl.gif]




Greta75 -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/4/2017 9:49:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Most Japanese cars and trucks are made here. JD Power, Americans make the best Japanese trucks with 12% fewer mech. and cosmetic defects.

First of all, it is extremely good that Foreign car makers choose to make their cars locally in the US. Like for Toyota to make their cars in the USA for the US market, is fantastic. These are things that should be encouraged.

German made cars that has to be legitimately Made in Germany, are well sought after here. And mind you, to get a simple Mercedes Benz, here is the pricelist. For even the basic A180 is gonna cost SGD138k (USD96k). So many Asians are willing to pay stupid prices for believing a specific country produces better quality than others. Like Made in France, like Citroen and Peugoet is known for crap cars over here haha! Often lemons that breaks down within a year brand new. Nobody wants them.

Too bad American brand like Ford is totally struggling here. Like, I don't know why, Ford Focus is a beautiful car, should technically do well, but since the downfall of American Manufacturing, Ford seriously lost reputation here. Worst of all, I think Ford started producing their cars outside of America for Asia market, and that actually lowers their sales, as the quality dropped, as Asians really want Made in USA Fords, they want the quality, I think Ford mistakes was not marketing themselves correctly over here as the car with quality and longevity. They could have been the big greats like Merc and BMW.

I just feel like American cars alone could do so much better internationally. But they are falling behind Japan and Germany. It's a missed opportunity. Imagine being the top supplier of cars world wide.

The other thing is, American cars have the reputation of being fuel guzzlers. One of the thing they failed to capitalised on, is in many other countries fuel is more expensive than in the US, so it's important they built cars like Toyota Prius that barely sucks up fuel too. To reinvent their car reputations.





DesideriScuri -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/5/2017 6:27:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
In 'vote of confidence' for Trump, Ford cancels Mexico factory and will invest in Michigan
Everybody in the whole entire world is applauding President Elect Trump. [sm=applause.gif]

maybe not once taxpayers get the bill for the bribe Trump gave Ford.. Carrier got tax breaks, think Ford didnt get something behind the scenes? FYI, the national debt is hitting $20 Trillion any day now..
oh, and its just temporary at best.. from your article:
"Ford isn’t abandoning expanded production in Mexico.
The automaker said that to “improve company profitability” it would build its next-generation Ford Focus at an existing plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2018. The production is being moved from Wayne, Mich."


Note the only things the new plant were going to be were hybrid and electric vehicles. Flat Rock being pointed to as having the jobs move there is smart since that's where the Mustang is built already (the article mentioning Ford is developing a Hybrid Mustang) and a mere 30 minutes away from Dearborn where of their two main F-150 plants resides (the article also mentioned developing a hybrid F-150).

The move of the Focus down to Hermosillo has been in the works for some time. Smaller vehicles are less profitable for the Big 3, and the market for the smaller vehicles has decreased. The company I work for (multinational company with several sites in the US) supplies parts for Ford, the F-150, the Mustang, and all 4- and 5-door vehicles. My employer is expanding our footprint in Hermosillo (we already have a presence there) to support the increased requirements from Ford down there. I believe a big part of Ford's plan was to move even more production of small vehicles down to Mexico. The more that moves down there means the more of my company's work will go down there. That, will negatively impact the plants at my particular location, and may lead to closing one of our 3 plants here.




tweakabelle -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/5/2017 11:03:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Everybody in the whole entire world is applauding President Elect Trump.

You are seriously deluded if you believe that. It would be far closer to the truth to state that most of the world is either laughing out loud at Trump and his juvenile antics or seriously concerned that such a loose cannon is in charge of the nuclear codes.



... which can definitely be to our advantage.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain your thinking to me here.

I am unable to think of any way that having a loose cannon in charge of the nuclear arsenal can be to anyone's advantage ... unless they have a death wish.




WhoreMods -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/6/2017 4:49:29 AM)

Maybe he's a great fan of post-apocalyptic SF films?




BoscoX -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/13/2017 6:31:07 PM)

FR

America great again - Rosie O'Donnell boards a plane to Canada!

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mnottertail -> RE: AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - Ford Stays (1/13/2017 7:05:23 PM)

Limbaugh finally going to Peurto Rico and leaving America is he? Or is that Christie going off to prison?




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