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tamaka -> Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/4/2017 2:37:13 PM)

I just learned about this and wondered whether i'm the only one who had no idea about it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/




BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/4/2017 2:41:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I just learned about this and wondered whether i'm the only one who had no idea about it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/


Oh, hell - alt left trash has always worked with our enemies. Remember Fonda in 'Nam? Then they get all bug-eyed and hypocritical over fake news of a Republican... What. Joking about having Russia help locate Hillary's illegally deleted emails





BamaD -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/4/2017 2:46:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

I just learned about this and wondered whether i'm the only one who had no idea about it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

What difference, at this point, does it make.




heavyblinker -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/4/2017 10:50:36 PM)

So wait... now collaborating with Russia is a bad thing?




WhoreMods -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 5:27:38 AM)

It'd bad if a Democrat does it, but perfectly acceptable if a Republican does it.
Like everything else...




heavyblinker -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 5:48:13 AM)

Yeah... I thought that the point of all of this Russia love was to get 'strong countries' to align themselves with the US.
Russia was a lot stronger in 1984.

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Ted Kennedy or the Democrats-- Reagan was trying to win the cold war, after all and it's not like Mondale was a popular favorite or that politicians are above this sort of thing... but that doesn't mean that Trump deserves a free pass, it means Kennedy should be punished.

On the other hand, neither he nor Mondale ever actually became president, and there's not a lot you can do about a thing that happened in 1984.





BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 5:53:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

It'd bad if a Democrat does it, but perfectly acceptable if a Republican does it.
Like everything else...


If a Republican does what, fool -

Jokes about having the Russians help find Hillarys illegally deleted emails





WhoreMods -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 5:53:24 AM)

It's certainly a bit late to punish Ted Kennedy now, put it that way.
But then this thread isn't really about that, is it? It's just another case of a Trumptooner screaming that the nasty Democrats did that first, so why can't they stop picking on the cheeto fuhrer?




BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 8:10:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

It's certainly a bit late to punish Ted Kennedy now, put it that way.
But then this thread isn't really about that, is it? It's just another case of a Trumptooner screaming that the nasty Democrats did that first, so why can't they stop picking on the cheeto fuhrer?


Again - you are trying to compare Kennedy and Fonda treason etc to Trump literally kidding around about Hillary deliberately and illegally evading FOIA requirements

Thank you for underlining and putting an exclamation point on the alt left frame of mind though




mnottertail -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 8:19:53 AM)

Since Kennedy didnt do it and Trump did, I think we are now seeing the nutsuckers for the communists they are. We are looking at a different 1984 (but still the same) as you are derailing and factlessly propagandizing.




BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 8:26:04 AM)

FR

From the article linked to in the OP:

quote:

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.


So the Dems and the media were just as literally communist then as they are now




mnottertail -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 8:39:03 AM)

Nope, the nutsuckers are just as communist as they have always been. Like the nutsuckers are saying now, when we repeal obamacare you can keep your insurance, like the nutsuckers said then, do not secede from the soviet union, like they say now and forever, there were WMD in Iraq.

Lets see this memorandum. And Tenney is not Kennedy and Andropov and you nutsuckers are communists, you are not credible sources or citations, you live felchgobbling nutsucker slobberblogs.




Musicmystery -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 11:12:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

I just learned about this and wondered whether i'm the only one who had no idea about it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/


Oh, hell - alt left trash has always worked with our enemies. Remember Fonda in 'Nam? Then they get all bug-eyed and hypocritical over fake news of a Republican... What. Joking about having Russia help locate Hillary's illegally deleted emails



So Russia is an enemy again?

You guys change your mind every few hours.




BamaD -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 11:40:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So wait... now collaborating with Russia is a bad thing?

Only when it is a rumor about a Republican.
The evidence that Russia hacked the DNC when a 14 year old could have done it is shaky, the proof that Trump collaborated exists only in the paranoid delusions of the left. The very people who yell loudest are the ones who spent the last two years blocking action when Hillary was busy making national security info available to anyone who wanted it. If we had taken proper action when that happened it could have been fixed before the election began. Unfortunately the Democrats where too busy playing politics.

I find it amusing that the people who were so determined to protect Hillary that they put national security now pretend that they,and only they see what a threat the Russians are. Remember the way the press, and Democrats , ridiculed Romney for saying that Russiawas a threat?




tamaka -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 12:21:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

I just learned about this and wondered whether i'm the only one who had no idea about it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/


Oh, hell - alt left trash has always worked with our enemies. Remember Fonda in 'Nam? Then they get all bug-eyed and hypocritical over fake news of a Republican... What. Joking about having Russia help locate Hillary's illegally deleted emails



So Russia is an enemy again?

You guys change your mind every few hours.


Actually i wasn't looking at it at all like Russia was an enemy... from this information it almost looks like we have a very special relationship with them... under the headlines, of course.




Musicmystery -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 12:22:17 PM)

It took from '84 until now for this to be news?

Wonder why.




Lucylastic -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 12:52:32 PM)

any excuse to ignore what is going on today in politics and the new excitement the repubs n trump are giving the people of america .
Just like 80 % of the posts on the first page.




BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 1:16:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So wait... now collaborating with Russia is a bad thing?

Only when it is a rumor about a Republican.
The evidence that Russia hacked the DNC when a 14 year old could have done it is shaky, the proof that Trump collaborated exists only in the paranoid delusions of the left. The very people who yell loudest are the ones who spent the last two years blocking action when Hillary was busy making national security info available to anyone who wanted it. If we had taken proper action when that happened it could have been fixed before the election began. Unfortunately the Democrats where too busy playing politics.

I find it amusing that the people who were so determined to protect Hillary that they put national security now pretend that they,and only they see what a threat the Russians are. Remember the way the press, and Democrats , ridiculed Romney for saying that Russiawas a threat?


quote:

5 Times Liberals Mocked Mitt Romney For Warning About Russia (With video)

1. Obama Replays Sick Middle School Burn

In response, Obama mocked Romney’s statement: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”




BoscoX -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 1:18:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It took from '84 until now for this to be news?

Wonder why.


If you read the thread, you will find that part of the reason was that Kennedy did this secretly and it wasnt revealed until after the Soviet Union fell. Another reason may be that the media is controlled by the alt left





Musicmystery -> RE: Ted Kennedy asked Soviets to Interfere in '84 Election (1/5/2017 1:20:41 PM)

The thread is full of crap and not particularly instructive, except in the beliefs of its posters.




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