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America - 1/8/2017 11:30:01 PM   
KenDckey


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I spent Sunday watching the ABC Mini-Series “Amerika ” from 1987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU49MR19CcA&list=PLjo7q2PbN3ZO1moiFxLWJQT1NYYY_ysXL

I wonder how many of us remember this insightful series. Russia threatened, but ultimately did not, to close the ABC Moscow outlet over it.

It shows political correctness, the takeover of the US by the UN’s Russian peace keepers, the decay of American manufacturing, the implementation of the USSR’s version of socialism and the American spirit in action. I ask for your thoughts of this series as it relates to today’s political spectrum.

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RE: America - 1/9/2017 2:03:02 AM   
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I saw it back then. I don't remember much but I wonder who in Russia threatened to shut down ABC there. I doubt it was Putin.

Amerika was back in the Soviet days and they were oppressive. Things have changed, not that we would accept any outside rule anyway. Or would we ? There are foreign lobbyists all over the place, just returning our foreign aid to the pockets of congress, AIPAC being the biggest one. It is because of a treaty that the US cannot make pot legal on a national level. and there are a few other things. Democrats have tried to get us into gun control at the behest of other countries via treaty. In short, this country is under quite a bit of foreign influence right now. Foreigners tell police departments what to look for in terrorists. A book by Ayn Rand, a copy of the Constitution or even mentioning it during a traffic stop.

I said it any any years ago that we would become like Russia was then and they would become like we were. And it is happening. I spoke with a Russian immigrant and he asks "Where is the freedom ?". They don't need fishing licenses there. I fact ask yourself why we need them here. They say nature needs maintenance. And in Russia, once you qualify with a firearm, your hunting license is good for life. They also do not take your driver's license away for child support and other stupid shit.

And it is not a dictatorship at all. The USSR days, yes, but not no mo. People have real jobs, disposable income, all kinds of things, and that is why they support Putin. Putin will not let the Soviet types have any real power, limits the types of businesses they can have and all that. He is NOT letting that happen again. True he was a real prick when building his fortune, but now he has it made. And as far as being the ex-head of the KGB, well in the US the ex-head of the CIA got elected President.

Amerika was a nice piece of fiction, but the whole premise is fiction. There is no way in hell any government of the US would give up sovereignty IN THAT WAY. What we have now is the influence of the globalists chipping away at it. If I read Trump right he wants no part of that shit and I totally agree. I totally agree with a few other of his ideas as well. And put the pressure on these companies to keep jobs here.

The problem is he has to get some legislation going to do so, to make it less attractive to move out. He simply can't go around to every business and give them the pep talk.

But back to that show - it was typical fear mongering. The whole red threat was just to scare people into emptying their pockets to support a huge military arms buildup. Russia was never going to attack the US and the US was never going to attack Russia. Ever. Got that ? Mutually assured destruction. The people with access to the button are rich and got it made and they do not want their shit fucked up. All these treaties happened AFTER the Soviets and US had enough weapons.

Another thing, why don't we just bomb Iran ? Other than retaliation from Russia that is. Because what we want is control of their natural resources and banks. Can't drill for oil in a lead suit in 100 degree heat through a glass parking lot.

So Amerika made assumptions. They would use heavy weapons and bomb the place ? They wouldn't cut their nose off to spite their face like that. the US might, just because. Even that is doubtful.

Yes, it was a nice little fictional scary movie. That is all.

T^T

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RE: America - 1/9/2017 3:26:20 AM   
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Thanks for the comment.

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RE: America - 1/9/2017 3:44:42 AM   
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It seems the Russians found an even more bloodless way of taking over in 2016.

It's sort of like 9/11-- an entire nation permanently changed by a few people with boxcutters.
Now a handful of contracted hackers have put a retarded Putin-worshipper in the white house.

It's so simple, nobody would ever believe it possible.

I'm reminded of the American quest to create a pen that would work in space-- millions of dollars invested to create a space pen while the Russians simply switched to pencils.

That's how they'll beat us all-- just keep underestimating everyone, and the Americans' faith in complicated, high-tech solutions and failure to consider the most basic, obvious threats will be their undoing.

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RE: America - 1/9/2017 5:18:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I saw it back then. I don't remember much but I wonder who in Russia threatened to shut down ABC there. I doubt it was Putin.

Given that Gorbachev was the Soviet President in 1987 and Putin was running a KGB bureau in Dresden, you're probably right to doubt that. The tiny-handed shitweasel's daddy didn't enter politics until his job as a spook was ended by the collapse of the soviet union, and defined himself through his opposition to Gorbachev and later Yeltsin.
(You might want to google "glasnost": a lot of commentators regard Amerika as a protest from right leaning elements of the media about the possibility of losing the Soviets as bad guys when the thaw started.)

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RE: America - 1/9/2017 5:34:04 AM   
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America is made of the stuff that will prove Orwell correct. That rent-seeking, power mongers have controlled the west in general and the US most specifically and importantly. 1984 was just long before its time.

As I've said, the America that our predecessors fought for in WWII...no longer exists at least certainly as it existed...in it egalitarianism. America since Reagan, has completely gone over the edge of no longer even sticking to it founding creed...that all men (people) are created equal and are endowed with certain inalienable rights NOT by govt. but by our creator now...limited to geography. Now, America's might...makes right.

Obama should and will be recognized for his protection and increase of the top 5%'s wealth and restoration of its rep. overseas, until he was told to keep GITMO open and the drone murders going and increased. I don't care how justified anyone thinks the US is but in reality, the family of the innocents killed by them, feed, aid and abet the new terrorist because of it.

'America' has already lead the way to the existing new world order and will lead the way to a new...new world order. The surveillance state that America is and will even more deeply become...is its foundation.

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RE: America - 1/11/2017 1:41:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

It seems the Russians found an even more bloodless way of taking over in 2016.


Yeah, it's disconcerting to realize one of the major political blocks is more interested in power than about the nation's interests, even if that means reacting a political partnership with a foreign power.


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RE: America - 1/11/2017 4:03:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

It seems the Russians found an even more bloodless way of taking over in 2016.

It's sort of like 9/11-- an entire nation permanently changed by a few people with boxcutters.
Now a handful of contracted hackers have put a retarded Putin-worshipper in the white house.

It's so simple, nobody would ever believe it possible.

I'm reminded of the American quest to create a pen that would work in space-- millions of dollars invested to create a space pen while the Russians simply switched to pencils.

That's how they'll beat us all-- just keep underestimating everyone, and the Americans' faith in complicated, high-tech solutions and failure to consider the most basic, obvious threats will be their undoing.
Keep telling yourself it was the hackers who did it...not Hillary's policies, not the machinations of the DNC, not the Obama policies.

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RE: America - 1/12/2017 1:12:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I saw it back then. I don't remember much but I wonder who in Russia threatened to shut down ABC there. I doubt it was Putin.

Given that Gorbachev was the Soviet President in 1987 and Putin was running a KGB bureau in Dresden, you're probably right to doubt that. The tiny-handed shitweasel's daddy didn't enter politics until his job as a spook was ended by the collapse of the soviet union, and defined himself through his opposition to Gorbachev and later Yeltsin.
(You might want to google "glasnost": a lot of commentators regard Amerika as a protest from right leaning elements of the media about the possibility of losing the Soviets as bad guys when the thaw started.)


I see your reading comprehension is as usual. They are not talking about airing it in 1987, they are talking about its airing in 2016.

And BTW, you got no right demeaning anyone in the US. If ot for the Us you would be speaking Russian right now. Not German, Russian. Many Europeans preferred German rule to Soviet rule, that is why so many of them defected. Then the Russians came in and killed them and blamed the Germans, like in the Katyn forest.

And if you want to talk about your government, they don't even let you have guns. You personally, I would not trust around a gun, just like a five year old kid. Pay your telly tax or they'll come for you.

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RE: America - 1/12/2017 5:19:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I see your reading comprehension is as usual. They are not talking about airing it in 1987, they are talking about its airing in 2016.

That's rich coming from you. The threats to ABC were made during the original transmission in 1987, you cretin.
(Assuming that Ken's even talking about a repeat over the weekend, rather than just watching it on youtube in his OP.)

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RE: America - 1/12/2017 5:26:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
And if you want to talk about your government, they don't even let you have guns.
T^T

Ummmm.... Dead WRONG, termy.
Try reading some FACTS.



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RE: America - 1/12/2017 6:48:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

It seems the Russians found an even more bloodless way of taking over in 2016.

It's sort of like 9/11-- an entire nation permanently changed by a few people with boxcutters.
Now a handful of contracted hackers have put a retarded Putin-worshipper in the white house.

It's so simple, nobody would ever believe it possible.

I'm reminded of the American quest to create a pen that would work in space-- millions of dollars invested to create a space pen while the Russians simply switched to pencils.

That's how they'll beat us all-- just keep underestimating everyone, and the Americans' faith in complicated, high-tech solutions and failure to consider the most basic, obvious threats will be their undoing.
Keep telling yourself it was the hackers who did it...not Hillary's policies, not the machinations of the DNC, not the Obama policies.


Probably not an either/or scenario.

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