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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 8:40:14 AM

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He was the original birther. Enough said.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 8:41:13 AM

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There's no such crap as "Alt left".

There's left, right (orange gibbon) and Alt right for those on the right that don't/won't follow him.

You should have stuck to your old name - it suited you better.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 8:45:54 AM

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As has been pointed out before when this was raised, one of the KGB's stock methods of manipulation was blackmail. The cockwomble's investments in Russia began when it was still the Soviet Union, and Putin was in the KGB before he went into politics. It's not inconceivable that he has some dirt on the tiny-handed shitweasel that his orange bitch doesn't want to see shared with the rest of the world.
Another, more worrying, possibility is that el presidente is hoping for some tips from Putin on how to asset-strip a government and then pocket the money. That is how Putin and his oligarch cronies earned their vast personal fortunes, after all.

At this point, I'm reluctant to even rule out Trump having been involved in the Russian MKULTRA.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/28/the-soviet-union-spent-1-billion-on-mind-control-programs/

A failed test subject?

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 8:53:30 AM

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There's left, right (orange gibbon) and Alt right for those on the right that don't/won't follow him.

I think you've got that backwards, old boy: the alt right is the lunatic fringe who do support Booji Boy's weird cousin, and the term seems to have been coined to distinguish them from the traditional rightists in the Republican party.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 8:55:02 AM

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Freedomdwarf posted this: Well.... they've already done it with healthcare.
O'bama tried to fix it but the good old GOP watered it down so much that you ended up with a hotch-potch of the same old shit - profiteering to the max.

The truth is that not a single Republican voted for the A.C.A. The Democrats didn't even allow any amendments to be added. Only the Democrats are responsible for Obamacare. Those are the facts and they cannot be changed.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 9:07:11 AM

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Freedomdwarf posted this: Well.... they've already done it with healthcare.
O'bama tried to fix it but the good old GOP watered it down so much that you ended up with a hotch-potch of the same old shit - profiteering to the max.

The truth is that not a single Republican voted for the A.C.A. The Democrats didn't even allow any amendments to be added. Only the Democrats are responsible for Obamacare. Those are the facts and they cannot be changed.

Apart from the way you've just changed the facts by posting that hilariously deceitful nonsense yourself, you mean, Lily?
Slate's version
It's not like the GOP have been shy about tampering with the ACA since it passed, either:
Salon's version

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 9:26:29 AM

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The truth is that not a single Republican voted for the A.C.A. The Democrats didn't even allow any amendments to be added. Only the Democrats are responsible for Obamacare. Those are the facts and they cannot be changed.

The GOP added over 11,000 pages of amendments to the original ACA that O'bama put forward.

Time to get your head outta your ass and stop believing all the RW lies out there.
The GOP trashed the original document into oblivion before they would pass it.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 9:35:54 AM

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Freedomdwarf posted this: Well.... they've already done it with healthcare.
O'bama tried to fix it but the good old GOP watered it down so much that you ended up with a hotch-potch of the same old shit - profiteering to the max.

The truth is that not a single Republican voted for the A.C.A. The Democrats didn't even allow any amendments to be added. Only the Democrats are responsible for Obamacare. Those are the facts and they cannot be changed.

Obama failed politically, not because he was too partisan, but because he wasn’t partisan enough; not because he went too far, but because he didn’t go far enough. The bill of particulars is roughly this: Obama misjudged (overestimated) the willingness of Republicans to meet him halfway and underestimated his ability to get his way without their help.

As a result, the stimulus bill was both too small and poorly structured; months were spent negotiating health care with Senate Republicans who never had any intention of getting to yes; the public option was thrown away without a fight; and the time squandered on a needlessly prolonged struggle over the health care bill squeezed out other key items such as climate change and immigration reform.

Adding executive insult to legislative injury, the president failed either to close Guantanamo or to end “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” and his Treasury allowed financial institutions and their leaders to survive and prosper without paying any price for their misdeeds. The result was a demoralized base and an emboldened opposition, with predictable electoral results.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 9:47:19 AM

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Politically, the best thing the Republicans could do is to announce: "We are going to mandate the promises made by Dumbo Ears". Then, they do it and watch the whole thing really collapse.

Like it or not, the way it was handled (and the way the president's lawyers lied to the Supreme Court), the Dumbocrats OWN the ACA, lock, stock, and barrel. It's their fucking mess.

They allowed no input from Republicans. They crammed it down America's throat (We had to make it a law, before we could see what was in it. That's insane from the start). This is their bullshit.

So, the Republicans should mandate:

1) $2,500 less in premiums for the people (like me) who got fucked out of insurance as a result of this piece of shit law.
2) FORCE doctors to participate
3) Bring back the "old" insurance policies (you know, where I don't need to carry ovarian cancer insurance).

Watch the thing fall like a cake baked by Spanky. Wee- Wohng.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 9:52:22 AM

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Tell me something... and I am asking because I really don't know... why do you let insurance companies gouge you with health care? Seriously... there has got to be a better way... Canada's healthcare system isn't perfect, but I would most likely be in the ground if I would have had to pay for my dialysis treatments and my kidney transplant... dialysis is between $800-$900 a treatment... and I went 3 times a week.. didn't pay a premium... nothing out of pocket.. and my transplant, not including work up and a week in CCU is about 90k and I paid nada.. ziitch out of pocket... my taxes pay for my healthcare

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 10:06:57 AM

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Tell me something... and I am asking because I really don't know... why do you let insurance companies gouge you with health care? Seriously... there has got to be a better way... Canada's healthcare system isn't perfect, but I would most likely be in the ground if I would have had to pay for my dialysis treatments and my kidney transplant... dialysis is between $800-$900 a treatment... and I went 3 times a week.. didn't pay a premium... nothing out of pocket.. and my transplant, not including work up and a week in CCU is about 90k and I paid nada.. ziitch out of pocket... my taxes pay for my healthcare

My ol man is going thru chemo right now, one of the best hospitals in canada, he will be in a total of 28 days for this first round..
He went thru mri, cat scan, bone biopsies, xrays, a muga test, before going into the hospital, he still has a stem cell transplant to go thru, plus more chemo if needed.
THe cost...
to us?
out of pocket, zero, insurance company zero, paperwork, zero
I havent added up the cost yet, I have other things on my mind.

Not having to worry about how we would pay for it, is the last thing on his or my mind, as it should be.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 10:26:30 AM

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They allowed no input from Republicans.

So what about all those amendments, then?

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 10:26:39 AM

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It's really quite simple....

Most first-world countries have some sort of socialised healthcare.
People can pick and choose what they want to do depending on what they pay or their ailment.
People have a choice.

In America, they are sooo capitalist and centred on individualism that they will never accept any form of socialised healthcare.
In essence, they are not given any real choice in the matter.
It is so bad that they are fined if they don't take expensive profiteering insurance policies.
Other systems aren't perfect but at least people have a choice; not so much in America.

The original ACA was almost a single-payer system for those that couldn't afford it.
The GOP crushed it until it was unrecognisable and beyond redemption.
DS and MBC are wrong to state that the GOP had no input; they had over 11,000 pages of input.
Not only that, they spent months beating it into oblivion before they would let it see any daylight.
They didn't want the corporate insurance companies to take a hit in extortionate profits.
The almighty dollar was more important than the people of America.
So what the Americans ended up with was nothing more than GOP crap masquerading as the ACA.

So to answer your question, Americans don't LET insurance companies gouge them, they have no choice.
It really is that simple.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/9/2017 4:33:04 PM

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Politically, the best thing the Republicans could do is to announce: "We are going to mandate the promises made by Dumbo Ears". Then, they do it and watch the whole thing really collapse.

Like it or not, the way it was handled (and the way the president's lawyers lied to the Supreme Court), the Dumbocrats OWN the ACA, lock, stock, and barrel. It's their fucking mess.

They allowed no input from Republicans. They crammed it down America's throat (We had to make it a law, before we could see what was in it. That's insane from the start). This is their bullshit.

So, the Republicans should mandate:

1) $2,500 less in premiums for the people (like me) who got fucked out of insurance as a result of this piece of shit law.
2) FORCE doctors to participate
3) Bring back the "old" insurance policies (you know, where I don't need to carry ovarian cancer insurance).

Watch the thing fall like a cake baked by Spanky. Wee- Wohng.

Michael

While I don't agree with all of it, you do make me smile Michael. You mean you want the repubs to r e g u l a t e the health care industry ? I wouldn't hold your breath.

Like EVERYTHING in America, THIS is NOT about health care, it is...ALL about MONEY !!

This particular marketplace where everybody and that means...everybody is IN it, BEGS for regulation but the great and glorious risk averse capitalist...wants HIS marketplace and one in which he can...maximize profits and as easily as possible.

Shit, let govt. MANDATE the purchase of my financial services, I will fill my profile with pics of my new multi-million $ mansion.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/10/2017 3:08:51 PM

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Tell me something... and I am asking because I really don't know... why do you let insurance companies gouge you with health care? Seriously... there has got to be a better way... Canada's healthcare system isn't perfect, but I would most likely be in the ground if I would have had to pay for my dialysis treatments and my kidney transplant... dialysis is between $800-$900 a treatment... and I went 3 times a week.. didn't pay a premium... nothing out of pocket.. and my transplant, not including work up and a week in CCU is about 90k and I paid nada.. ziitch out of pocket... my taxes pay for my healthcare

The bottom line is this.. They (Americans) actually have no one to vote for, both parties and ALL politicians from the Federal level down to City Hall have been bought by the 1% and big corporations (including insurance corps).. most voters are too stupid to realize this and they buy into the lies & spin (from both sides) and then they go ahead and vote either D or R and get screwed election after election after election.. They also dont give a shite about future generations, they dont care if their kids and grandkids have to pay for their SS, medicare, etc and are left with nothing for themselves.. but hey, that is the American way.. You dont understand cuz you dont live amoung them, Canada's culture is very different, its a different value system, its a different political system (big business cant buy elections/politicians).. The reality is that the US system is not a democracy since its the corporations, wall street & 1%ers that run the place..

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/10/2017 6:01:08 PM

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Not everyone agrees.

http://www.dwatch.ca/Clean_Up_the_System.html

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/10/2017 6:53:18 PM

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Not everyone agrees.

http://www.dwatch.ca/Clean_Up_the_System.html

Reads a lot like the US, just on a smaller scale. Canada does however reflect higher social values with their health care system.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/10/2017 8:55:15 PM

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Obama failed politically, not because he was too partisan, but because he wasn’t partisan enough; not because he went too far, but because he didn’t go far enough. The bill of particulars is roughly this: Obama misjudged (overestimated) the willingness of Republicans to meet him halfway and underestimated his ability to get his way without their help.

Absolutely this.

He was far too naive in the beginning, when he actually had enough power to accomplish something, he made too many concessions. He ran on a platform of 'healing divisions' and the moment he made an effort to do it the GOP turned around and screwed him for it. He learned his lesson too late, and ruined a great opportunity to make some positive changes.

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/11/2017 6:59:54 AM

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Not everyone agrees.

http://www.dwatch.ca/Clean_Up_the_System.html

a lot of the stuff that is tried in Canada is from sleazy US corps that try to do the same shite there (and around the world) as they get away with so easily in the US.. that is why I am so against the Americanization of Canada, it is the corruption that oozes across the border from the south.. imo Canadian politicians have never been strong enough to tell the US govt & US corps to fuck off.. but what goes on there is nothing like what goes on here.. its laughable what goes on in the US (as evidenced by the fact that Trump is yer new Prez).. the US is the emperor with no clothes.. I expect the damage done to the US & world by Georgie Bush to be greatly eclipsed by the damage Trump & his bunch will do..

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RE: The Power of Polarization (partisanship) - 1/11/2017 7:23:59 AM

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