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US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/9/2017 9:18:23 PM   
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-tanks-roll-into-germany-to-protect-against-potential-russian-invasion/




NORTHERN GERMANY -- U.S. Tanks rolled into Germany this weekend.

The deployment -- which also includes 3,500 U.S. Troops -- is to protect Eastern Europe against a potential Russian invasion.

In the dock area of the German city of Bremerhaven all around is American military hardware just off the boat -- everything from Humvees to tanks.

The official name for this display of military muscle is Operation Atlantic Resolve.

Its purpose is to reassure America’s nervous European allies that the U.S. military will stand with them against any aggressive moves by Russia. Moves, like the 2014 invasion of Crimea, when Russian troops arrived in what had been Ukraine -- and seized it for the Kremlin.

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America’s response is a decision to stop the draw down of U.S. troops in Europe, and reverse it -- in the first buildup since the end of the Cold War.

“We intend to reassure all those here in Europe that we are committed to peace and security, and to send a signal to anybody else who would differ with that, that that’s not gonna work,” said Lt. General Timothy Ray, deputy commander of the U.S.’s European command.

That anybody else would be Vladimir Putin, who is on record as saying its stupid and unrealistic to think that Russia would attack anyone.

But just in case, Operation Atlantic Resolve is big and very visible deterrent.

Over the next week all the equipment will leave Germany and be sent to Poland, and from there, be deployed across Eastern Europe.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/9/2017 9:28:07 PM   
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I am going to admit out loud..I am not sure this is factual...
2 sources doesnt work for me, and I am not happy with it right now, but Im not going to take it down...
If this is fake news...I apologise.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 12:31:12 AM   
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German press coverage (not complete):
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/nato-operation-atlantic-resolve-usa-verlegen-panzer-nach-osteuropa-a-1128920.html

http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Der-Norden/Uebersicht/Atlantic-Resolve-Erste-US-Panzer-in-Bremerhaven-entladen

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/militaeruebung-atlantic-resolve-usa-schicken-panzer-durch-deutschland-nach-polen/19214242.html

http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.operation-atlantic-resolve-us-panzer-in-bremerhaven-entladen.7bd61746-4827-483a-9fcd-189f54b887f0.html

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 1:23:44 AM   
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thats an ohaha gig, and that doesnt mean its not fake news ;)

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 4:26:49 AM   
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it has something to do with NATO

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 6:53:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

German press coverage (not complete):
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/nato-operation-atlantic-resolve-usa-verlegen-panzer-nach-osteuropa-a-1128920.html

http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Der-Norden/Uebersicht/Atlantic-Resolve-Erste-US-Panzer-in-Bremerhaven-entladen

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/militaeruebung-atlantic-resolve-usa-schicken-panzer-durch-deutschland-nach-polen/19214242.html

http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.operation-atlantic-resolve-us-panzer-in-bremerhaven-entladen.7bd61746-4827-483a-9fcd-189f54b887f0.html



Thank you so much, I went to bed not long after I had posted, so the links were most helpful:)

I see this morning that reuters etc and, the UK press is catching up,


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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 7:04:04 AM   
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Obama beating the drums of war because he needs an excuse for another massive alt left electoral loss

If a Republicans were doing this our mindless little alt left fanatics would lose their lost and confused little minds even more

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 7:10:12 AM   
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Sanity seem to think that I have some problem understanding who is still president.
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such a shame.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 7:38:13 AM   
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US Tanks have been in Germany since 1945, what's the big deal?

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 7:50:56 AM   
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thatyou cant read?

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 8:04:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Sanity seem to think that I have some problem understanding who is still president.
snorts.
such a shame.


"because russia"

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 8:08:22 AM   
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you missed the double ?
did it confuse you?
poor muffin....

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 8:45:57 AM   
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American taxpayer dollars at work for someone else again.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 8:56:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you missed the double ?
did it confuse you?
poor muffin....


Yeah, I saw them. They mean you are confused, and now you are projecting that confusion

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 9:46:40 AM   
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Im sorry for you.. you take it for granted that I am
quote:

"because russia"

I explained in my second post about it being a questionable story, because of there only being 2 sources at the time I posted.(12 hours ago)

Your comprehension is so sad.
So do you have anything to say about it? or are you gonna deflect again.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 12:10:18 PM   
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Um,
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Stars and Stripes | Feb 03, 2014 | by Michael S. Darnell
GRAFENWÖHR, Germany -- Less than a year after they left European soil, American tanks have returned to military bases in Germany where they had been a heavy presence since World War II.

In April last year, the last Abrams tanks left Germany, coinciding with a drawdown of U.S. forces that saw the inactivation of two infantry brigades -- the 170th and 172nd.

When the 22 M1A1 Abrams departed the continent it was seen as the end of an era, as tanks had been a fixture on American bases in Europe since landing at Omaha Beach in 1944.

Now, it appears that chapter of history may have been closed a bit prematurely.

On Friday, the last of 29 M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks were offloaded at the railhead at the Grafenwöhr training facilities. These heavily armored vehicles are upgraded versions of the older Abrams that left 10 months ago and will become part of what the Joint Multinational Training Command at Grafenwöhr is calling the European Activity Set.

“The EAS is a pre-positioned, battalion-plus-size equipment set with headquarters pieces and command-and-control elements,” said Col. Thomas Matsel, operations officer with the JMTC. “Units that utilize the EAS will have access to the entire breadth of military operations they may have to conduct.”

The Abrams tanks will join 33 M2A3 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and dozens of other heavy support vehicles that will be positioned at Grafenwöhr to be used at the training facilities there, at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center at Hohenfels and at other training areas across Europe.

American Tanks Return to Europe After Brief Leave

So, why again is this news?

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 12:32:37 PM   
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The American conventional military presence in any part of western Europe is there to get shot at and if unlucky...killed.

They are a tactical 'trip wire' to rationalize the US then going to all out war in western Europe again...if necessary. Although a merging of the long term benefits of cooperation in the mastery of the people will prevail and there will be no huge conventional war in Europe.

Regional and necessarily, world-wide, tactical conventional warfare is the new phase in post cold war progress toward the coming new world order. The new small tactical [sic] nukes will soon rule the day and because they just may be easier to use, will be...easier to fear.

Each step from the clandestine (cold war) state to the post 9/11 surveillance state to now, we've segued to the 'conventional warfare' state (notice how weak and ineffectual Obama was for not sending more Americans 'boots-on-the-ground' in some godforsaken place 1000's of miles away again and of course as long as it wasn't their feet in those boots...of those spewing the partisan dialogue.

This is a very meaningful culture change as part of the long game kinkroids, each step is slow, gradual but very necessary progression toward the coming world-wide authoritarian state. (notice how so many Americans have so been changed as to 'admire the exercise of power of an authoritarian dictator' [Putin] while denigrating EO's by a democratic leader, even...taking him to court) (notice how the same people justify Russian cyber warfare...while not even closely the same...because even free countries do it ?)

You maybe but your kids will, know it when they see it. There will be two groups of people...those with boots on the controlling and shoes...on the controlled.





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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 12:59:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Um,
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Stars and Stripes | Feb 03, 2014 | by Michael S. Darnell
GRAFENWÖHR, Germany -- Less than a year after they left European soil, American tanks have returned to military bases in Germany where they had been a heavy presence since World War II.

In April last year, the last Abrams tanks left Germany, coinciding with a drawdown of U.S. forces that saw the inactivation of two infantry brigades -- the 170th and 172nd.

When the 22 M1A1 Abrams departed the continent it was seen as the end of an era, as tanks had been a fixture on American bases in Europe since landing at Omaha Beach in 1944.

Now, it appears that chapter of history may have been closed a bit prematurely.

On Friday, the last of 29 M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks were offloaded at the railhead at the Grafenwöhr training facilities. These heavily armored vehicles are upgraded versions of the older Abrams that left 10 months ago and will become part of what the Joint Multinational Training Command at Grafenwöhr is calling the European Activity Set.

“The EAS is a pre-positioned, battalion-plus-size equipment set with headquarters pieces and command-and-control elements,” said Col. Thomas Matsel, operations officer with the JMTC. “Units that utilize the EAS will have access to the entire breadth of military operations they may have to conduct.”

The Abrams tanks will join 33 M2A3 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and dozens of other heavy support vehicles that will be positioned at Grafenwöhr to be used at the training facilities there, at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center at Hohenfels and at other training areas across Europe.

American Tanks Return to Europe After Brief Leave

So, why again is this news?

Well one might think that as written in the link, the previous Abrams had all left in 2016 and now some new ones have been deployed. OR...you'd have to ask Military.com.

Just as in this report: Navy Destroyer Fires Warning Shots at Iranian Vessels and despite this: The first half of 2016 saw 19 "dangerous interactions" with the Iranians, according to a U.S. Navy report.

.....and even though there were "dangerous interactions" in Sept. and Nov. of 2016.

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RE: US tanks in Germany....because?? russia - 1/10/2017 4:21:45 PM   
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It is a joint NATO training operation
so it is paid by NATO ie all partner countries

maybe some did forget (or never hear) about NATO?

those things are usually not scheduled the day before

neither by the US alone

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