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More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 2:34:57 PM   
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From the senate 'leaders' [sic]

Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.

.....it’s certainly looking as if McConnell’s Republican Senate majority will do a complete about-face and rush through Trump’s appointments without the process on which senators used to insist.

Unfortunately, not all of these candidates have been through the customary vetting process. Last week, the Office of Government Ethics informed congressional Democrats that it had not yet had time to screen all of the Trump appointees, which created “potentially unknown or unresolved ethics issues.” Democrats want to delay some hearings until the candidates can be vetted.

McConnell’s response to Democrats’ concerns has been typically cynical and hypocritical.

This year, he’s telling Democrats to “grow up.” “All of these little procedural complaints are related to their frustration at having not only lost the White House, but having lost the Senate,” he said on Sunday.

Ethics review is hardly a “little procedural complaint,” especially since the Trump camp reportedly did far less than previous presidential transition teams to vet candidates before nominating them.

Of course, since Trump won’t clear up the endless conflicts of interest involving his business interests and those of his children and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, whom he is appointing to a senior White House role, why should we expect him to be concerned about his appointees’ conflicts?

HERE

I guess the American people just don't need to know about such things as congressional and executive ethics.

Then there is this if you can even imagine:

So what about the “bully pulpit” that the presidency is going to give Trump once he takes office? The problem is that we are not supposed to take anything that Trump says seriously.

The problem, according to Trump’s chief propagandist, Kellyanne Conway, is that people are actually paying attention to what Trump says.

Imagine that, the American people actually paying attention to what the P-elect actually says. What dummies. He is after all...a republican.

“You always want to go by what’s come out of his mouth,” Conway sneered. Instead, she said, we should all “look at what’s in his heart.”

Oh gee, imagine that, we are not supposed to 'go by what comes out of his mouth ?' Look at what's in his heart ?

But that's the problem.

The sad truth is, we’re never going to know. We will never be able to trust what Trump tells us about his principles, his policies and his intentions as president, if he bothers to tell us anything at all. Mostly, we’re all just supposed to read his mind.



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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 3:53:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

From the senate 'leaders' [sic]

Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.

.....it’s certainly looking as if McConnell’s Republican Senate majority will do a complete about-face and rush through Trump’s appointments without the process on which senators used to insist.

Unfortunately, not all of these candidates have been through the customary vetting process. Last week, the Office of Government Ethics informed congressional Democrats that it had not yet had time to screen all of the Trump appointees, which created “potentially unknown or unresolved ethics issues.” Democrats want to delay some hearings until the candidates can be vetted.

McConnell’s response to Democrats’ concerns has been typically cynical and hypocritical.

This year, he’s telling Democrats to “grow up.” “All of these little procedural complaints are related to their frustration at having not only lost the White House, but having lost the Senate,” he said on Sunday.

Ethics review is hardly a “little procedural complaint,” especially since the Trump camp reportedly did far less than previous presidential transition teams to vet candidates before nominating them.

Of course, since Trump won’t clear up the endless conflicts of interest involving his business interests and those of his children and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, whom he is appointing to a senior White House role, why should we expect him to be concerned about his appointees’ conflicts?

HERE

I guess the American people just don't need to know about such things as congressional and executive ethics.

Then there is this if you can even imagine:

So what about the “bully pulpit” that the presidency is going to give Trump once he takes office? The problem is that we are not supposed to take anything that Trump says seriously.

The problem, according to Trump’s chief propagandist, Kellyanne Conway, is that people are actually paying attention to what Trump says.

Imagine that, the American people actually paying attention to what the P-elect actually says. What dummies. He is after all...a republican.

“You always want to go by what’s come out of his mouth,” Conway sneered. Instead, she said, we should all “look at what’s in his heart.”

Oh gee, imagine that, we are not supposed to 'go by what comes out of his mouth ?' Look at what's in his heart ?

But that's the problem.

The sad truth is, we’re never going to know. We will never be able to trust what Trump tells us about his principles, his policies and his intentions as president, if he bothers to tell us anything at all. Mostly, we’re all just supposed to read his mind.



So Republicans are hypocrites because they want to play by the rules the Democrats have been playing under but the Democrats are pure as the driven snow for saying that only they can play by those rules.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:02:51 PM   
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It's not Republicans or Democrats that are hypocrites.
It's politicians

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:05:19 PM   
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It's not Republicans or Democrats that are hypocrites.
It's politicians


Lol... Yes of course... hypocrites only exist in the world of politics.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:12:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's not Republicans or Democrats that are hypocrites.
It's politicians


Lol... Yes of course... hypocrites only exist in the world of politics.

Reading comprehension is not your friend is it?

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:40:59 PM   
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Welcome to the world of relativism that the left has been so ardently fighting for.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:49:22 PM   
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Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.



Your fake news source fails to mention that Harry Reid never replied to that letter and that the letter was sent AFTER seven Obama picks had already been approved by Congress

And it was a Democrat Senator Schumer who first promised that a lame duck president would never get a SC pick, when Bush was president

So, what you are bitching about, is Democrat tactics being employed by Republicans

Which is fair play

Because it's just turnabout

And that makes YOU the hypocrite, not the Republicans




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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 4:55:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's not Republicans or Democrats that are hypocrites.
It's politicians

Agreed, however , Mr Rogers only sees that if it is Republicans.
Politics
poly=many
tics - bloodsucking parasites

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 5:53:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's not Republicans or Democrats that are hypocrites.
It's politicians

It's not politicians that are hypocrites.

It's Republicans and Democrats.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 5:55:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.



Your fake news source fails to mention that Harry Reid never replied to that letter and that the letter was sent AFTER seven Obama picks had already been approved by Congress

And it was a Democrat Senator Schumer who first promised that a lame duck president would never get a SC pick, when Bush was president

So, what you are bitching about, is Democrat tactics being employed by Republicans

Which is fair play

Because it's just turnabout

And that makes YOU the hypocrite, not the Republicans





Well, the nutsuckers are inept and that is typical that the letter was sent after weeks of pants-shitting and propaganda by nutsucker goons and thugs.

Now you are blaming Schumer for sending it in timely fashion.

Typical hypocrisy of the nutsucker goons and thugs.


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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 7:14:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.



Your fake news source fails to mention that Harry Reid never replied to that letter and that the letter was sent AFTER seven Obama picks had already been approved by Congress

And it was a Democrat Senator Schumer who first promised that a lame duck president would never get a SC pick, when Bush was president

So, what you are bitching about, is Democrat tactics being employed by Republicans

Which is fair play

Because it's just turnabout

And that makes YOU the hypocrite, not the Republicans




Politico: .....which one source told POLITICO did not receive a response at the time from then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), weeks after the Senate confirmed seven senior Obama nominees on his first day in office.

One source not named and which nominees...also not specified.

Hotair: Roberts and Alito got hearings and votes and are on the court so.....?

Bush 2 Obama 0 since Scalia dies.

As for the second Google:

From mediamatters: REALITY: Schumer Urged Senate To Gain Sufficient Information On 2007 Nominees, Not To Refuse To Consider Them Before They Were Named

Schumer Objected Not To Timing Of Nominations, But To Nominees Themselves And Lack Of Information About Them. A February 15 CBS report explained that Schumer's comments "stemmed from his feeling that the Senate had insufficient information when it confirmed" Justice Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts to the Supreme Court:

Schumer's argument was not one of timing and the closeness of the presidential election. He just didn't think much of either of President Bush's picks. Schumer's recommendation stemmed from his feeling that the Senate had insufficient information when it confirmed his two picks, John Roberts and Samuel Alito, to the court.

"It appears we were not given the most accurate picture of the nominees we confirmed," Schumer said. "We were presented a misleading portrait." He accused both justices of making decisions that "flouted precedent" and, essentially, legislating from the bench.

He argued that Senate had to "engage in conjecture" to understand the nominees' way of thinking and method of reasoning because their records were thin. [CBS, 2/15/16]

Plus, one cannot compare a no vote on a nominee with not even bringing any nominee to any vote. Apples to oranges.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 7:23:49 PM   
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You are so full of shit

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...During a speech at a convention of the American Constitution Society in July 2007, Schumer said if any new Supreme Court vacancies opened up, Democrats should not allow Bush the chance to fill it “except in extraordinary circumstances.”

“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer said, according to Politico. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.” During the same speech, Schumer lamented that he hadn’t managed to block Bush’s prior Supreme Court nominations.

Notably, when he made his remarks in 2007, Bush had about seven more months remaining in his presidential term than Obama has remaining in his....

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/14/flashback-in-2007-schumer-called-for-blocking-all-bush-supreme-court-nominations/#ixzz4VQ5ezOIQ


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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 7:27:03 PM   
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ALL Republicans are doing, is employing Democrat tactics.

Stew in it.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 7:49:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So Republicans are hypocrites because they want to play by the rules the Democrats have been playing under


No, they are hypocrites for not playing by the rules they tried to force democrats to play under.

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but the Democrats are pure as the driven snow for saying that only they can play by those rules.


No one said anything about democrats being pure. If the democrats are clamoring for ethics review requirements that they themselves didn't require with Obama appointments, they, too, would be hypocrites.

Constantly defending one party's actions because the other party did it before them is only going to result in both parties shirking the rules with no end. There has to be a time when the majority party decides it's going to play by the rules first. It doesn't matter which party, imo, as long as one does it. Nothing will get solved until the parties start playing by the rules.


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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:08:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
So Republicans are hypocrites because they want to play by the rules the Democrats have been playing under


No, they are hypocrites for not playing by the rules they tried to force democrats to play under.

quote:

but the Democrats are pure as the driven snow for saying that only they can play by those rules.


No one said anything about democrats being pure. If the democrats are clamoring for ethics review requirements that they themselves didn't require with Obama appointments, they, too, would be hypocrites.

Constantly defending one party's actions because the other party did it before them is only going to result in both parties shirking the rules with no end. There has to be a time when the majority party decides it's going to play by the rules first. It doesn't matter which party, imo, as long as one does it. Nothing will get solved until the parties start playing by the rules.


Well said, DS. Thank you.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:17:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

ALL Republicans are doing, is employing Democrat tactics.

Stew in it.

No nutsuckers are employing their typical nazi goon and thug tactics, nothing at all new under the sun.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:22:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Senator Mitch McConnell once said his party’s most important task was to deny Obama a second term. In February 2009, he wrote a letter to Senator Harry Reid, then the majority leader, saying there could be no action on Obama’s nominees pending a long list of demands, including completion of reviews by the Office of Government Ethics. McConnell only escalated when Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014 and by last year he was refusing even to consider any Supreme Court nomination Obama might make.



Your fake news source fails to mention that Harry Reid never replied to that letter and that the letter was sent AFTER seven Obama picks had already been approved by Congress

And it was a Democrat Senator Schumer who first promised that a lame duck president would never get a SC pick, when Bush was president

So, what you are bitching about, is Democrat tactics being employed by Republicans

Which is fair play

Because it's just turnabout

And that makes YOU the hypocrite, not the Republicans




Politico: .....which one source told POLITICO did not receive a response at the time from then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), weeks after the Senate confirmed seven senior Obama nominees on his first day in office.

One source not named and which nominees...also not specified.

Hotair: Roberts and Alito got hearings and votes and are on the court so.....?

Bush 2 Obama 0 since Scalia dies.

As for the second Google:

From mediamatters: REALITY: Schumer Urged Senate To Gain Sufficient Information On 2007 Nominees, Not To Refuse To Consider Them Before They Were Named

Schumer Objected Not To Timing Of Nominations, But To Nominees Themselves And Lack Of Information About Them. A February 15 CBS report explained that Schumer's comments "stemmed from his feeling that the Senate had insufficient information when it confirmed" Justice Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts to the Supreme Court:

Schumer's argument was not one of timing and the closeness of the presidential election. He just didn't think much of either of President Bush's picks. Schumer's recommendation stemmed from his feeling that the Senate had insufficient information when it confirmed his two picks, John Roberts and Samuel Alito, to the court.

"It appears we were not given the most accurate picture of the nominees we confirmed," Schumer said. "We were presented a misleading portrait." He accused both justices of making decisions that "flouted precedent" and, essentially, legislating from the bench.

He argued that Senate had to "engage in conjecture" to understand the nominees' way of thinking and method of reasoning because their records were thin. [CBS, 2/15/16]

Plus, one cannot compare a no vote on a nominee with not even bringing any nominee to any vote. Apples to oranges.

No,he announced that they wouldn't confirm them before there was even an opening .

There was no opening on the court to be considered, so Schumer and Biden did not follow through on their threat, but only because there was no opportunity to due so.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:25:59 PM   
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Oh, the nutsuckers who refused to consider any supreme court nomination before they were named?

Yeah, thats hypocritical but common of nutsucker goons and thugs.

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:32:26 PM   
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No, they are hypocrites for not playing by the rules they tried to force democrats to play under.


So if your team opposed the 3 point shot in basketball or the 2 point conversion in footbal and they pass anyway, you are a hypocrite if you follow they new rules. So anything that is proposed you either have to support it or play the game by a diiferent set of rules than the competition ?

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RE: More republican hypocrisy - 1/10/2017 8:34:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
So Republicans are hypocrites because they want to play by the rules the Democrats have been playing under


No, they are hypocrites for not playing by the rules they tried to force democrats to play under.

quote:

but the Democrats are pure as the driven snow for saying that only they can play by those rules.


No one said anything about democrats being pure. If the democrats are clamoring for ethics review requirements that they themselves didn't require with Obama appointments, they, too, would be hypocrites.

Constantly defending one party's actions because the other party did it before them is only going to result in both parties shirking the rules with no end. There has to be a time when the majority party decides it's going to play by the rules first. It doesn't matter which party, imo, as long as one does it. Nothing will get solved until the parties start playing by the rules.


Well said, DS. Thank you.

We have to have the same set of rules for both parties.

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