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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/14/2017 7:14:26 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Sorry and I will be making this point again, you are a factless felchgobbler. There were 146 million registered to vote in 2008, in 2016 that number exceeds 200 million.

You cannot give anyone a pass on the maths, you are innumerate.


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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/14/2017 7:43:03 PM   
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Spin it any way you want. There were still more people that voted for Clinton than Trump. That is a FACT. Not a "what if". When you figure that about 50% of eligible voters didn't vote for either one, and more than half of the people that did vote, voted for Clinton, that means that 75% of the voting population was AGAINST Comrade Trump. THAT is a FACT. Suck it up buttercup.

If 50% of eligible voters didn't vote, then you cannot state that their non-vote was against Trump. Unless you are also willing to accept that their non-vote was also against Clinton. Which leaves you with quite a conundrum.

All you can state for sure is of those who did vote, the majority voted for Clinton.

Simple logic.
If they didn't support X candidate (and didn't vote for them), they must be against them.
And that logic applies to both sides.


Or maybe they were just apathetic.
Or maybe they don't feel that it matters because they feel their vote doesn't count because of our voting system.
Or maybe they were for Clinton but they were so sure that she was going to win that they didn't think they needed to vote.
Or maybe they were for Trump but they didnt think there was any way in hell he was going to get it so they stayed home.
Or their car broke down and they couldn't get to the polls.
Or they were running late.
Or sick.
Or feeling depressed that day.
Or it was raining and they didn't want to get out.
There could have been a million little reasons to account for lots of people not getting out. Unless you are a mind reader and you scanned all of them, then no, you cannot say they were against anyone just because they didn't vote.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/
Top Reasons Cited for Not Voting Percent
Too busy conflicting schedule 17.5 %
Illness or disability 14.9 %
Not interested 13.4 %
Did not like candidates or campaign issues 12.9 %
Other 11.3 %
Out of town 8.8 %
Don't know 7 %
Registration problems 6 %
Inconvenient polling place 2.7 %
Transportation problems 2.6 %
Forgot 2.6 %
Bad weather 0.2 %

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/14/2017 7:45:11 PM   
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The hospital has liability insurance so it didn't cost them anything.



Because liability insurance is free



It would have cost them the same for liability insurance whether the nurse screwed up the iv or not was my point.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/14/2017 9:08:19 PM   
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I just know that Trump's idea of a healthcare product IS differing from what GOP believes in.

So, I think people need to realise now that GOP is not Trump and Trump is not GOP.

Trump used GOP platform to become President.

But healthcare is one part of things, that he will feel the pressure to do better than Obamacare.

I will wait for Trump to come out with what he feels is a better solution. He already said it won't be what the republicans want.

But I agree that, even of my own country, I want our government to order insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. But that is not happening, so instead, our government run their own health insurance plan that covers pre-existing, but benefits aren't as great as private providers and limited to government hospitals only and low level wards. But it's still something for the less fortunate. Lower wards though means student doctors and you're essentially guinea pigs and there is no air conditioning. And we have now given free coverage for pioneer generation. People who lived during the time when Singapore was a shithole, so were the generation that suffered the most. I think they are deserving of the free coverage. They lived a hard life that enable our generation to live in such comfort and great environment. And they deserve the care. I guess they are like our veterans, except they didn't serve in military.

To me, there is no point having insurance IF it doesn't cover pre-existing.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 4:05:54 AM   
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The hospital has liability insurance so it didn't cost them anything.



Because liability insurance is free



It would have cost them the same for liability insurance whether the nurse screwed up the iv or not was my point.



You don't think such multimillion dollar lawsuit lotteries affect insurance costs? They do. And that's exactly why a Tylenol can cost you fifty bucks in a hospital.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 4:54:33 AM   
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It IS all about the money.
Starting in the late 80s, everyone was complaining about rising health care costs and insurance premiums. The medical/insurance industrial complex blamed it on the costs of servicing the uninsured. Now, those people are insured. So, WHY haven't your premiums lowered or at least stabilized? Unraveling Nobamacare without a replacement will merely cause premiums to increase. Then, once a replacement is finally established, your premiums will increase yet again.

Both the republicants and the demoncrats care only for themselves.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 5:50:21 PM   
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When you figure that about 50% of eligible voters didn't vote for either one, and more than half of the people that did vote, voted for Clinton, that means that 75% of the voting population was AGAINST Comrade Trump. THAT is a FACT. Suck it up buttercup.

im not sure whether to just say your math and your logic suck, or to ask exactly how you got to "75% of the voting population was against trump."


It's not difficult to get there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html

Trump actually garnered votes from 26.3% of all eligible voters. Obviously, that means that 73.7% were "Against" Trump.

Hillary only garnered 26.5%, so 73.5% of the population were "against" her, too. Not surprised that wasn't mentioned. lol


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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 5:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah. Nearly half of registered voters simply didn't vote. They aren't really against one candidate -- more like both.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 6:24:34 PM   
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When you figure that about 50% of eligible voters didn't vote for either one, and more than half of the people that did vote, voted for Clinton, that means that 75% of the voting population was AGAINST Comrade Trump. THAT is a FACT. Suck it up buttercup.

im not sure whether to just say your math and your logic suck, or to ask exactly how you got to "75% of the voting population was against trump."


It's not difficult to get there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html

Trump actually garnered votes from 26.3% of all eligible voters. Obviously, that means that 73.7% were "Against" Trump.

Hillary only garnered 26.5%, so 73.5% of the population were "against" her, too. Not surprised that wasn't mentioned. lol


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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 6:33:17 PM   
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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:05:39 PM   
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beat me too it:)


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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:21:13 PM   
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When you figure that about 50% of eligible voters didn't vote for either one, and more than half of the people that did vote, voted for Clinton, that means that 75% of the voting population was AGAINST Comrade Trump. THAT is a FACT. Suck it up buttercup.

im not sure whether to just say your math and your logic suck, or to ask exactly how you got to "75% of the voting population was against trump."


It's not difficult to get there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html

Trump actually garnered votes from 26.3% of all eligible voters. Obviously, that means that 73.7% were "Against" Trump.

Hillary only garnered 26.5%, so 73.5% of the population were "against" her, too. Not surprised that wasn't mentioned. lol


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4990082


My original response was to inSanity and his ignorant blathering about Trump. That is why my response was only about Trump. I figured most people here were intelligent enough to know that Clinton's numbers were similar, but with 3,000,000 more actual votes. And yes, approximately 50% of the people didn't care enough to vote one way or the other. To me that says they didn't like either one, and Trump IS included in that "either one". If they HAD wanted one or the other then I would think they would have voted.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:25:48 PM   
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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:34:40 PM   
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My original response was to inSanity and his ignorant blathering about Trump. That is why my response was only about Trump. I figured most people here were intelligent enough to know that Clinton's numbers were similar, but with 3,000,000 more actual votes. And yes, approximately 50% of the people didn't care enough to vote one way or the other. To me that says they didn't like either one, and Trump IS included in that "either one". If they HAD wanted one or the other then I would think they would have voted.

I didn't see the all of the communications that prompted your original response, as I have that individual on hide. I was just responding to that snippet.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:41:19 PM   
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I think Im gonna too.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:44:59 PM   
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I thought you were calm:)
I think Im gonna too.

I have people on both the right and left hidden. When I consistently have to dig through lies and/or toxicity to get to any content they are trying to get across, whatever they have to say isn't worth the trouble to me.

Or Team SuckPoppet. But they are few and far between these days.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:48:56 PM   
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Get used to saying "President Trump."

(Hillary is no one's president).



The great thing about this country is he has a lot of people to stop him from screwing up too bad.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 7:57:10 PM   
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Get used to saying "President Trump."

(Hillary is no one's president).



The great thing about this country is he has a lot of people to stop him from screwing up too bad.


How reassuring.

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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 8:02:41 PM   
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RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health ben... - 1/15/2017 8:33:15 PM   
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