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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/15/2017 11:31:24 PM   
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It's nice to see at least one lefty call it "insurance reform" instead of "Affordable Care" since that piece of shit law never had anything to do with health care, but instead health care coverage.



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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 1:10:49 AM   
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However, some of Trump’s supporters were particularly alarmed about the possibility of losing their health insurance.


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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 6:18:16 AM   
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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 7:08:05 AM   
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It's nice to see at least one lefty call it "insurance reform" instead of "Affordable Care" since that piece of shit law never had anything to do with health care, but instead health care coverage.



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Specifically, making it "affordable."

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 6:21:44 PM   
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Specifically, making it "affordable."



Yeah. It's been so affordable for me, I haven't been covered since 2013. $9,000 per year is not what someone in my financial bracket would call "affordable".

I did try to apply for the ObummerCare option where they subsidize my health care INSURANCE, but when they started asking me about the things that I own, I saw it for the money/property grab that it is.

ObummerCare should die a quick death.



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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 6:24:48 PM   
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Specifically, making it "affordable."



Yeah. It's been so affordable for me, I haven't been covered since 2013. $9,000 per year is not what someone in my financial bracket would call "affordable".

I did try to apply for the ObummerCare option where they subsidize my health care INSURANCE, but when they started asking me about the things that I own, I saw it for the money/property grab that it is.

ObummerCare should die a quick death.



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Well, they're communists, so...

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/16/2017 6:29:37 PM   
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Specifically, making it "affordable."



Yeah. It's been so affordable for me, I haven't been covered since 2013. $9,000 per year is not what someone in my financial bracket would call "affordable".

I did try to apply for the ObummerCare option where they subsidize my health care INSURANCE, but when they started asking me about the things that I own, I saw it for the money/property grab that it is.

ObummerCare should die a quick death.



Michael

Technically, you started to apply for the subsidy, then decided against it.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 2:54:24 AM   
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It's nice to see at least one lefty call it "insurance reform" instead of "Affordable Care" since that piece of shit law never had anything to do with health care, but instead health care coverage.

Yup, and it benefits the insurance companies. Go figure.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 2:56:27 AM   
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It's nice to see at least one lefty call it "insurance reform" instead of "Affordable Care" since that piece of shit law never had anything to do with health care, but instead health care coverage.



Michael

Specifically, making it "affordable."


Ten grand a year and ten grand deductible is affordable ?

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 3:10:24 AM   
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Specifically, making it "affordable."



Yeah. It's been so affordable for me, I haven't been covered since 2013. $9,000 per year is not what someone in my financial bracket would call "affordable".

I did try to apply for the ObummerCare option where they subsidize my health care INSURANCE, but when they started asking me about the things that I own, I saw it for the money/property grab that it is.

ObummerCare should die a quick death.



Michael

Technically, you started to apply for the subsidy, then decided against it.


They asked about what he owns so that he can lose it anyway, just for the deductible.

The ACA is ad always was a piece of shit. It was a piece of shit in Massachusetts and pretty much broke the state. No wonder Romney didn't carry his home state.

So now it is time to fuck the whole country up.

The ACA has made the pockets deeper, and fosters ore price gougig as well as unnecessary procedures because they get to make 20 %. Oil companies would suck a mile of donkey dick to make 20 %. In fact, since there was competition, I doubt the insurance companies were even making that before the ACA.

Overall, many people bitching abut higher costs and deductibles. Now, the government is going to have to subsidize anyone who doesn't make enough money to not even need coverage, and the math challenged liberals don't see that.

Watch more people go down to part time work voluntarily to qualify for medicaid. I know a few. They simply could not afford it full time.

So that means another cost for the taxpayers and it is all going into the insurance companies' coffers except what crooked hospitals can gouge. and the more they can gouge the more the insurance company makes.

I defy anyone to tell me how that is better ? I mean, it is not even better than NOTHING ! Actually NO health insurance at all would be better because the market would determine cost. Patients would walk out the door saying "i can't afford that".

Everyone has their fingers in the pie. Those $3 million dollar machines could be built for a tenth of that or less. But each 12 cent part costs $50.

And if you have any rebuttal, I'll scan one of the itemized lists from when my Grandmother was in a nursing home. They charged $100 to administer an aspirin. And that does not mean all kinds of bullshit, that means handing her the pill in a cup and a cup of water.

These people are goniffs and should be all fired and the government (as much as I hate to say it) should just nationalize the whole industry and be done with it.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 3:48:27 AM   
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US Congress takes big step to Obamacare repeal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38613257
The US House of Representatives has taken the first step toward demolishing President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law, known as Obamacare.
Republicans passed a budget measure to introduce a bill - which Democrats cannot block - to roll back the law.
But members of both parties in Congress are concerned about a lack of replacement for Obamacare.
The political showdown raises a big question mark over medical coverage for more than 20 million Americans.
The measure passed in the House nearly on a party-line vote, 227-198, delivering a blow to President Obama's legacy a week before he leaves office.
It instructs four committees on Capitol Hill to draft repeal legislation by 27 January.
The Senate passed the resolution by 51-48 on Thursday.


Obamacare repeal: Trump pledges 'health insurance for all' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38641641
President-elect Donald Trump has promised "insurance for everyone" as Republicans draw up a replacement for the Affordable Care Act.
"It's very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven't put it in quite yet but we're going to be doing it soon," said Mr Trump.
Republicans have taken the first steps towards dismantling President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.
But they have yet to rally around an alternative plan.
In an interview with the Washington Post, the president-elect said he was ready to reveal a new bill with congressional leaders.
That would happen when his health secretary pick, Tom Price, was confirmed, he said.
"We're going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."


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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 6:06:07 AM   
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It's nice to see at least one lefty call it "insurance reform" instead of "Affordable Care" since that piece of shit law never had anything to do with health care, but instead health care coverage.



Michael

Specifically, making it "affordable."


Ten grand a year and ten grand deductible is affordable ?

T^T

That's not part of the ACA. Sure, it's flawed, but you're conflating Michael's choice with ACA policy, and it's not synonymous.

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They asked about what he owns so that he can lose it anyway, just for the deductible.


That's an assumption. I'd like to see evidence of it working that way.

And, he doesn't have to choose a plan with a high deductible (though it would cost more, granted).

Perhaps he's brilliant and cleverly dodged a bullet. So he's paying $10,000 a year instead of paying a $10,000 deductible if he ends up needing it. Doesn't appear he's ahead now.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:41:42 AM   
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That's not part of the ACA. Sure, it's flawed, but you're conflating Michael's choice with ACA policy, and it's not synonymous.


That statement is almost offensive, when you really think about this:


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Then you think you will get your old benefits back?



I strongly doubt it, since I was diagnosed with a serious condition after I purchased my policy.

Under ObummerCare, I could have had (worse) coverage for only $9,000 per year with a $15,000 deductible. Bargain!



Michael


I guess, technically, it was a "choice", but the fact that I "chose" not to spend $9,000 a year for the "privilege" of paying $15,000 per year before my "coverage" would cover me is NOT a "choice", when one gets right down to the brass tacks.

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They asked about what he owns so that he can lose it anyway, just for the deductible.


That's an assumption. I'd like to see evidence of it working that way.

And, he doesn't have to choose a plan with a high deductible (though it would cost more, granted).

Perhaps he's brilliant and cleverly dodged a bullet. So he's paying $10,000 a year instead of paying a $10,000 deductible if he ends up needing it. Doesn't appear he's ahead now.



I'm a little confused and I'm not trying to put too fine a point on it or be a smart ass, but why would choosing a higher deductible cost more ? I'm guessing you meant: "less"?

Either way, I had no "choice". That's what the insurance company offered me (out of the kindness of their heart and being allowed to by Obummercare). The "lowest" plan available to me.

Secondly, I have known people on government assistance who had to list their assets and, in one case, a guy was told that in order to get necessary dental procedures, he would have to liquidate them, first (to pay as much for the procedure as he could). He wound up, losing his car, motorcycle, and bicycle (selling all three, fire-sale style since he was in dire need of the procedure, netted him $10,500 of the needed $18,000).

So, yes, his life was saved, but he had no way to get to his job (which he, eventually lost) so, he had no way to pay his rent. So, he had no place to live, indoors.

A couple of other cases, people lost fewer assets, but isn't the point of insurance to protect your assets? I know one of Ol' Dumbo Ears' arguments for "health care reform" was that people were losing their homes, when tragedy struck. Plus que ça change, plus que c’est le même chose.

Yeah, choices are all around under ObummerCare. The problem is: it's like the choice to die by the bullet (that you reckon I dodged) or get hit by a train.

Fuck ObummerCare. I'd say: "Fuck Obummer", but he did what he promised to do. He fucked up this country in fundamental ways. May he die a painful death, when his time comes.



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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:50:46 AM   
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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 12:27:01 PM   
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I think it bears mentioning that my medications cost me just under $12,000 per year so, that might be why ... say ... a plan with a $10,000 deductible wasn't available to me.

Under my old plan (which I got before I was diagnosed with my condition), I paid $5 (per scrip which was filled every 90 days) for one of my prescriptions and $200 per month for another. Not cheap, but more than manageable, considering that my medication deductible was $500 per year.

What was really a bit offensive was the producer at my insurer acted like he was doing me some fucking huge favor:

"Mr. C _ _ _ _ _ _, I have some bad news for you. Your current coverage is not compliant with the ACA. We can't continue it. I do have some good news for you, though; under the ACA, we HAVE to offer you coverage, even though you have a pre-existing condition (Of course, it wasn't "pre-existing", when I bought my coverage)!"

I don't think he realized that I held (and still hold) life and health producer licenses in several states. he thought he was dealing with some rube, fresh off the turnip truck.



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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 3:15:29 PM   
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I'm one of those people who lost my medical coverage (that I liked), apparently forever, at this point due to ObummerCare. So, on this issue, at this point, I'm forced into a "who-gives-a-fat-rat's-ass" position.



Well then, you're quite a Special Snowflake. Although the Right has relentlessly cultivated this line as its latest misleading mantra to get useful idiot Trumpvoter types to vote against their own interests, the truth was that only a tiny sliver of Americans "lost" their health insurance due to the ACA. And those were only because they were shitty plans, at that.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

Bonus tip for more effectively trolling, DaddySatyr: maybe don't tip your hand so obviously by including one of the right's inane playground epithets for our outgoing president, if you want bystanders to take you seriously as Concern Troll.



sigh...another brain challenged leftist...

when people say they "lost their coverage" they are predominantly talking about losing the plans they had and that they preferred. they are not solely talking about becoming "uninsured."

your own source says (consistent with the criteria I just stated), that that amounted to anywhere between 1.8 million to 4.7 million, or between 16 and 23% of the population in question. yeah, that's a "small sliver."

im not sure whether to accuse you of being obtuse, or disingenuous. which one is it?

and as far as your "shitty plans" hubris---they were plans that people liked and preferred. you and your fellow comrades don't get to place a value on that for them.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:23:53 PM   
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The number of people who are uninsured would increase by 18 million in the first new plan year following enactment of the bill. Later, after the elimination of the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid eligibility and of subsidies for insurance purchased through the ACA marketplaces, that number would increase to 27 million, and then to 32 million in 2026.
Premiums in the nongroup market (for individual policies purchased through the marketplaces or directly from insurers) would increase by 20 percent to 25 percent—relative to projections under current law—in the first new plan year following enactment. The increase would reach about 50 percent in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and the marketplace subsidies, and premiums would about double by 2026.
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https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52371

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is pretty simple really. Health care costs money. Somebody has to pay for it. If you were uninsured before the ACA it was because you could not or would not pay. If you are were not insured because you could not pay for insurance before ACA then to be insured under ACA or any other program somebody has to pay for it instead of you. This is why premiums went up drastically after the Government reduced the subsidies to the insurance companies last year, the Government in affect kept the ACA afloat with subsidies (and the poor health care providers). Which is why the insurance companies then bailed and this thing is collapsing.

So, we kick the non-payers off any plan in the future or we tax those who can pay for it, tax using premium increases or good ole fashion taxes. Or we kick the non-payers back out of the health care system and quit giving free care in the ERs across the country, by law. This will force the non-payers to go to work, pay their own way and everyone lives happily ever after or they die and we get rid of the deadbeats. Deadbeats.

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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:47:09 PM   
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RE: Dismayed Trump voters tweet about losing their Obam... - 1/17/2017 9:50:14 PM   
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...but why would choosing a higher deductible cost more


Not more in premiums but more in actual out of pocket health care billed costs to the insured because their deductible is so high, most of the time ACA insured patients could not use the insurance because the deductible was so high.

(this type of math meant that even though Dems could say more were "insured", they were in fact not insured even though they did have insurance, technically). It is a bit like saying you can keep your doctor when you enroll in ACA. A lie.

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