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Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 1:27:42 PM   
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If you know a liberal, you’ve probably heard their praise for the utopia of Denmark. It’s the shining socialist example of “free stuff” and “happy people,” or so they’d have you believe.

However, there’s 5 quick facts every liberal fool should know before they successfully perpetuate their political and economic ideology on the rest of us with their vote and we end up damned like Denmark.

Today’s younger generations seem to demand we “be like Denmark” with free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week. Then, we can join Denmark as one of the happiest countries in the world, but there’s just a few problems with that.

Perhaps you’ve seen the meme floating around social media? Today’s younger generations seem to eat it up and immediately demand we “be like Denmark” with free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week. Then, we can join Denmark as one of the happiest countries in the world, but there’s just a few problems with that.

Lets see............

1. The Personal Income Tax Rate ranges from 55% to 65% in Denmark.

Yes, you read that right. According to Trading Economics, the Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark is currently 55.60 percent, while it “averaged 61.40 percent from 1995 until 2014, reaching an all time high of 65.90 percent in 1997 and a record low of 55.40 percent in 2010.”

So, that wonderful wage of $25 just went to $8.75 to $11.25. While your liberals might be quick to say that’s still higher than the United States’ minimum wage, they haven’t factored in a few more of those pesky facts, which leads me to my next point.

2. The Sales Tax is 25%.

Denmark’s sales tax is 25%. In the United States, sales tax varies by state, with 5 states having no sales tax at all, while California has the highest sales tax rate of 7.5%. So, with the worst case scenario being California, you’d still only be paying less than a third of the sales tax you’d pay in Denmark.

That $25 wage that looked so good until it was cut in more than half with the income tax, just got you even less. But Denmark isn’t done there.

3. Things cost more in Denmark.

Consumer Prices in Denmark are 15.88% higher than in United States, while consumer prices including rent are 4.78% higher. But the real hurt on you wallet is in restaurant prices, which are 43.93% higher than the United States. Don’t think you’ll save money eating at home either, because grocery prices are also higher. To top it off, clothing prices are four times that of the price in the U.S.

If you are in the market for a new car, you are in for quite the shocker since Denmark has a 180% car tax, meaning that $20,000 sedan will cost you $50,000 right off the bat. I hope you like riding bicycles.

4. Although their wage is higher, Danes don’t have more disposable income.

Average monthly disposable salary for Danes is about the same as the United States. Once you factor in the increased cost for goods, necessities, and entertainment, the average American is more “well off” than the average Dane.

5. Danes are “happy” because they are medicated, but their suicide rate shows they aren’t more happy than Americans at all.

While Iceland has the highest level of consumption of antidepressants, it is followed by Portugal and, yep, you guessed it, Denmark.
As a matter of fact, it’s been found that the “happiest” countries take the most antidepressants. Hey, but at least their “happy pills” are given to them free from their government… and that wouldn’t be to keep them complacent or anything, would it ?

Unfortunately, even with all the medications and reports of “happiness,” the suicide rate in Denmark has been about twice that of the United States for the last five decades.

So, these people who are so much happier than Americans are killing themselves twice as often. While “happy” can only be subjectively reported, statics are an objective measurement, and with this suicide rate, it doesn’t support they claim of being “happier.”

Let me toss one more mind-boggling bit of information. In Denmark, if you use pepper spray on an attacker to avoid being raped, you can be fined about $70.

This recently happened to a teenage girl who thwarted her own rape. Her rapist got away and is a free man, meanwhile, she’s facing charges and fines for defending herself. Still sound like the utopia you imagined?

How I wish there was a way to educate the uninformed before they perpetuate a political system that is not the socialist paradise they proclaim it to be.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 1:54:22 PM   
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wow fact free mostly
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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:17:53 PM   
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30 Most Prosperous Countries (per Business Insider)

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-30-most-prosperous-countries-in-the-world-2014-11

Oh, look who's at #4! Gosh, I'm sure it's much better to be down at #10. Right?

Tip for numbskull conservatives who flunked high school math and ended up voting against their own interests as a result: looking at tax rates without considering what a population gets back FOR them, is the depths of idiocy. But then, that's what you types are good at I guess. Sheesh.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:26:56 PM   
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wow fact free mostly

Well in order to say that you would have to know, so I'll bite. What are the facts then?

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:28:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

looking at tax rates without considering what a population gets back FOR them, is the depths of idiocy.

Making shit up isn't very smart either. From the OP:

free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week

K.


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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:30:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wow fact free mostly

Well in order to say that you would have to know, so I'll bite. What are the facts then?

K.




I do know, so would you, if you did your own research....
have at it...see if you come up with the same number of facts vs not facts....as I did.



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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:33:15 PM   
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free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week

K.



Sounds like hell.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:42:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wow fact free mostly

Well in order to say that you would have to know, so I'll bite. What are the facts then?

I do know, so would you, if you did your own research....

You posted the claim that it was mostly "fact free," and this is the kind of shit you're going to hand out to someone who asks you what the real facts are? You wouldn't accept that kind of response as an answer, and I'm not going to either. Maybe you are right, I don't know. But put up or shut up.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 4:44:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week

Sounds like hell.

Maybe they have to do that to get people to live where it's so fucking cold.

K.


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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 5:01:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Saw this on FB & loved it



quote:

If you know a liberal, you’ve probably heard their praise for the utopia of Denmark. It’s the shining socialist example of “free stuff” and “happy people,” or so they’d have you believe.

However, there’s 5 quick facts every liberal fool should know before they successfully perpetuate their political and economic ideology on the rest of us with their vote and we end up damned like Denmark.

Today’s younger generations seem to demand we “be like Denmark” with free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week. Then, we can join Denmark as one of the happiest countries in the world, but there’s just a few problems with that.

Perhaps you’ve seen the meme floating around social media? Today’s younger generations seem to eat it up and immediately demand we “be like Denmark” with free healthcare, free college, a $25 per hour wage, and a 35 hour work week. Then, we can join Denmark as one of the happiest countries in the world, but there’s just a few problems with that.

Lets see............

1. The Personal Income Tax Rate ranges from 55% to 65% in Denmark.

Yes, you read that right. According to Trading Economics, the Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark is currently 55.60 percent, while it “averaged 61.40 percent from 1995 until 2014, reaching an all time high of 65.90 percent in 1997 and a record low of 55.40 percent in 2010.”

So, that wonderful wage of $25 just went to $8.75 to $11.25. While your liberals might be quick to say that’s still higher than the United States’ minimum wage, they haven’t factored in a few more of those pesky facts, which leads me to my next point.

2. The Sales Tax is 25%.

Denmark’s sales tax is 25%. In the United States, sales tax varies by state, with 5 states having no sales tax at all, while California has the highest sales tax rate of 7.5%. So, with the worst case scenario being California, you’d still only be paying less than a third of the sales tax you’d pay in Denmark.

That $25 wage that looked so good until it was cut in more than half with the income tax, just got you even less. But Denmark isn’t done there.

3. Things cost more in Denmark.

Consumer Prices in Denmark are 15.88% higher than in United States, while consumer prices including rent are 4.78% higher. But the real hurt on you wallet is in restaurant prices, which are 43.93% higher than the United States. Don’t think you’ll save money eating at home either, because grocery prices are also higher. To top it off, clothing prices are four times that of the price in the U.S.

If you are in the market for a new car, you are in for quite the shocker since Denmark has a 180% car tax, meaning that $20,000 sedan will cost you $50,000 right off the bat. I hope you like riding bicycles.

4. Although their wage is higher, Danes don’t have more disposable income.

Average monthly disposable salary for Danes is about the same as the United States. Once you factor in the increased cost for goods, necessities, and entertainment, the average American is more “well off” than the average Dane.

5. Danes are “happy” because they are medicated, but their suicide rate shows they aren’t more happy than Americans at all.

While Iceland has the highest level of consumption of antidepressants, it is followed by Portugal and, yep, you guessed it, Denmark.
As a matter of fact, it’s been found that the “happiest” countries take the most antidepressants. Hey, but at least their “happy pills” are given to them free from their government… and that wouldn’t be to keep them complacent or anything, would it ?

Unfortunately, even with all the medications and reports of “happiness,” the suicide rate in Denmark has been about twice that of the United States for the last five decades.

So, these people who are so much happier than Americans are killing themselves twice as often. While “happy” can only be subjectively reported, statics are an objective measurement, and with this suicide rate, it doesn’t support they claim of being “happier.”

Let me toss one more mind-boggling bit of information. In Denmark, if you use pepper spray on an attacker to avoid being raped, you can be fined about $70.

This recently happened to a teenage girl who thwarted her own rape. Her rapist got away and is a free man, meanwhile, she’s facing charges and fines for defending herself. Still sound like the utopia you imagined?

How I wish there was a way to educate the uninformed before they perpetuate a political system that is not the socialist paradise they proclaim it to be.

FTPBTP13


Yeah some nutsuckers post feebleminded flechgobbling like that. Possession of pepper spray is against the law in Denmark. Oh, felchgobbler, it is also against the law in several jurisdictions in the US. Rick Moron from Nutsuckers in their insane and angry world, or some such nutsucker slobber blog that inSanity will felch from deeply. Fake nutsucker news from a retarded felchgobbling nutsucker.

Nobody says their services are free that is a nutsucker felcherism. The minimum wage in Denmark is around 15,75 usd an hour., and the tax rate 56%. They have no further cost education (and some subsidies for housing and so on for students) and 100% no further cost medical care.

Compare that to a 7.25 hour minimum wage, with a kid in college, the wife with cancer and a 10k deductable, and a tax rate of 10%.

And dont forget, nutsuckers are adding to the debt this year and for the forseeable future, and going to throw away your insurance. Education costs more and more, and the nutsuckers are helping it cost more and more.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 5:13:55 PM   
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Fair enough Kirata. My point was that you have to look at the bottom line. And in addition to ranking high on the Prosperity Index, Denmark consistently appears near the top of lists of Happiness and Satisfaction as measured by disparate organizations and researchers.

Diagnosis: conservatives are so brainwashed to fixate on tax rates that they miss out on life itself. But this is how their thoughtmasters in 0.1% like them: serving the 0.1%'s interests 24/7, pro bono, and asking no questions. Just like good useful idiots should. Vote Republican, your puppet masters are counting on you.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 5:34:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wow fact free mostly

Well in order to say that you would have to know, so I'll bite. What are the facts then?

I do know, so would you, if you did your own research....

You posted the claim that it was mostly "fact free," and this is the kind of shit you're going to hand out to someone who asks you what the real facts are? You wouldn't accept that kind of response as an answer, and I'm not going to either. Maybe you are right, I don't know. But put up or shut up.

K.




lazy fucker arent ya.

Insanities claims come from
http://madworldnews.com/5-facts-denmark-socialist-utopia/


I will give you one. or two hints .then its up to you to figure out the rest...

http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/mental_health/suicide_rates/atlas.html
http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE?lang=en
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/23/viral-image/internet-graphic-says-suicide-rate-much-higher-den/
http://www.snopes.com/denmark-socialism-brutal-meme/
suicide rate 2012....WHO figures
Denmark males 13.6 females 4.1 (crude rates 11.2)

USA males 19.4 females 5.2 (crude rates 13.7)


Beds for mental health per 100,000
USA 23.56
Denmark 52.28

Cost of living comparisons

Consumer Prices in Denmark are 10.56% higher than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Denmark are 2.74% higher than in United States
Rent Prices in Denmark are 13.15% lower than in United States
Restaurant Prices in Denmark are 43.67% higher than in United States
Groceries Prices in Denmark are 14.96% lower than in United States
Local Purchasing Power in Denmark is 19.62% lower than in United States

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Denmark

http://www.thelocal.dk/20151120/whats-the-deal-with-denmarks-car-registration-tax


Danish Health service (free healthcare) includes 52 weeks of parental leave
Public Health insurance coverage include consultation and treatment from a General Practitioner (GP), as well as subsidised rates for dental care, chiropractic treatment and medication. The Danish public health insurance system also covers specialist consultation, physiotherapy, podiatry and psychological consultation as long as you have been referred by your GP.



It is possible to receive some degree of reimbursement on most purchases of prescription medication. The more money you spend on prescribed medicine, the more reimbursement you get from the Danish National Health Service.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 5:49:45 PM   
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Fair enough Kirata. My point was that you have to look at the bottom line.

Okay, and you're right that there are a lot of factors. But in the final analysis, everything has a price. Not mentioned, but pertinent to the "bottom line" financially, will be the effect of allowing too much unskilled/unemployable immigration. Maintaining a utopia has some unfashionable requirements.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/15/2017 6:01:13 PM   
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Kinda like saying you really like a particular service, but don't like to pay for it.

Doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Just that the cost needs to be weighed against the benefits.

The US spends half the global expense on military. That's certainly a high cost, and we might well ask whether 5% of the global population spending 50% of the global cost is getting what it's paying for -- or needs that much.

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/16/2017 1:55:42 AM   
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not to forget that many Danes go shopping in neighbouring countries like Germany with lower VAT rates

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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/16/2017 4:52:54 AM   
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not to forget that many Danes go shopping in neighbouring countries like Germany with lower VAT rates

I have to say, things in Germany are seriously very cheap. I don't know how that country do it.

I mean, just crossing the border from Switzerland, to shop at a mall at Germany, everything is soooo much cheaper!!

And even cheaper than my country Singapore! Despite Euros being the stronger money. I did buy alot of crap back!


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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/16/2017 4:59:26 AM   
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I think a country like Denmark. Free education, Free Healthcare, all that comes with high taxes. That's normal. But what this means is, you can be poor and still get basic needs fulfilled.

But the thing is...., my view is that US seem to pay ALOT of taxes despite not getting much free stuffs. Both Sales Tax and Income Tax are very high. I guess that's for military spending.

For my own country, I am happy for everything to be not free, since 60% of the population pays zero taxes. And our sales tax is at a decent rate. For a long time, we had no sales tax too.

And although cars are over-priced but you don't need cars to get around in my country at all. Public transport is excellent.



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RE: Be Like Denmark - 1/16/2017 6:56:47 AM   
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http://www.demos.org/blog/10/20/15/united-states-vs-denmark-17-charts

Among the most telling of these graphs shows US debt far greater than Denmark's.

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