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Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 12:55:19 AM   
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The FBI and five other intelligence and law enforcement agencies are working together on an investigation into whether Russia’s government secretly helped President-elect Donald Trump win the election, according to a new report.

The collaborative probe is partially focused on whether any covert money from the Kremlin financed hacking operations to benefit Trump’s campaign, McClatchy reported Wednesday.
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If it comes out that the Russian government covertly aided and in some way influenced the election, does that negate the results?

It is illegal for a campaign to accept financial donations from a foreign government, so if they (the russians) covertly contributed funds to the RNC for Trump's campaign and was responsible for the hacking of the DNC, which influenced voters, would that then make the 2016 election null and void.

And, more importantly, if it does, who the hell becomes president?

Seriously, this is an interesting development in the American Political process.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 4:57:58 AM   
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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 6:28:27 AM   
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Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 6:45:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the election was influenced by the Russians and in a two party system it does not take much of a swing for the would be loser to sit on the Throne – I’d be saying the exact same thing if Clinton got in via the same modus operandi

Will he be impeached – I am back to undecided on this one from a republican led house – when are those election seats up for grabs? Or are they all over the place/dates.

I don’t understand this…let say the result was found to be influenced by the Russians and only an idiot or zealot would argue otherwise what then?

Would this give a mandate for an unheralded re-run? is there legislation for this?
Surely you can’t impeach trump for that – shove him out the door by his own party and then replaced with a choice from senate and declare it valid– it’s the senate I think that chooses? And its the representatives that impeach? fek i can never fully follow your system




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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 7:19:24 AM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

Sad but true. I do find the shrilling from Trumptooners about sour grapes and sore losers and this not being important hysterically funny, though. Can you imagine the shitfits they'd be throwing in here if Clinton had won and this had been alleged about her?

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 7:21:08 AM   
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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 7:29:03 AM   
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Let's see. The Democrats are working with Mexican nationalists to throw elections... So no. Go fuck yourselves, hypocrites.

Got a cite for that?

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 7:32:33 AM   
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The FBI and five other intelligence and law enforcement agencies are working together on an investigation into whether Russia’s government secretly helped President-elect Donald Trump win the election, according to a new report.
The collaborative probe is partially focused on whether any covert money from the Kremlin financed hacking operations to benefit Trump’s campaign, McClatchy reported Wednesday.
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If it comes out that the Russian government covertly aided and in some way influenced the election, does that negate the results?
It is illegal for a campaign to accept financial donations from a foreign government, so if they (the russians) covertly contributed funds to the RNC for Trump's campaign and was responsible for the hacking of the DNC, which influenced voters, would that then make the 2016 election null and void.
And, more importantly, if it does, who the hell becomes president?
Seriously, this is an interesting development in the American Political process.


How much did hacking the DNC influence voters? Can it be proven that the hacking and release of the hacked info influenced voters?

What's worse, voting for Hillary not knowing how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running, or not voting for Hillary after finding out how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running?

Unless Trump and Russia worked together (and it would have to be proven, obviously), what did he do wrong?

Is this how Obama is going to get his 3rd term?!?!?




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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 7:35:19 AM   
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Let's see. The Democrats are working with Mexican nationalists to throw elections... So no. Go fuck yourselves, hypocrites.

No, the nutsuckers are nutsucking and working with other nutsuckers to destroy the country. So they can felchgobble with each other in the airport bathrooms and rid the US of its constitution, giving the country away to the commies, their masters.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 9:55:06 AM   
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Let's see. The Democrats are working with Mexican nationalists to throw elections... So no. Go fuck yourselves, hypocrites.



I would like to see a source for that allegation.



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How much did hacking the DNC influence voters? Can it be proven that the hacking and release of the hacked info influenced voters?

What's worse, voting for Hillary not knowing how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running, or not voting for Hillary after finding out how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running?

Unless Trump and Russia worked together (and it would have to be proven, obviously), what did he do wrong?

Is this how Obama is going to get his 3rd term?!?!?





Who the fuck mentioned Obama and a third term?

Look at my questions (which did not mention Obama at all) since clearly Obama getting a third term would be in violation of the Constitution as well as Federal law.

1) If it is proved that the Russian government covertly (covert, meaning no one but the Russians knew) contributed to Trump's campaign, financially and with illegally gathered information, would it negate the election results?

Now, if a high member of the campaign staff knew of the Financial contributions of the Russian government, and Trump can deny such knowledge, the staffer goes to jail, not Trump, unless the evidence is such that Trump cant deny anything.

However, when you consider the 'cybercrime' possibility, then such illegally gathered information and hacking would have had to gone as far back as the primaries.

In which case, it could be successfully argued that the Russian government was using espionage to manipulate the entire election and insure Trump's nomination.

This is where the question arises, would such proof negate the ENTIRE election process of 2016?

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 10:28:10 AM   
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Let's see. The Democrats are working with Mexican nationalists to throw elections... So no. Go fuck yourselves, hypocrites.



I would like to see a source for that allegation.



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How much did hacking the DNC influence voters? Can it be proven that the hacking and release of the hacked info influenced voters?

What's worse, voting for Hillary not knowing how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running, or not voting for Hillary after finding out how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running?

Unless Trump and Russia worked together (and it would have to be proven, obviously), what did he do wrong?

Is this how Obama is going to get his 3rd term?!?!?





Who the fuck mentioned Obama and a third term?

Look at my questions (which did not mention Obama at all) since clearly Obama getting a third term would be in violation of the Constitution as well as Federal law.

1) If it is proved that the Russian government covertly (covert, meaning no one but the Russians knew) contributed to Trump's campaign, financially and with illegally gathered information, would it negate the election results?

Now, if a high member of the campaign staff knew of the Financial contributions of the Russian government, and Trump can deny such knowledge, the staffer goes to jail, not Trump, unless the evidence is such that Trump cant deny anything.

However, when you consider the 'cybercrime' possibility, then such illegally gathered information and hacking would have had to gone as far back as the primaries.

In which case, it could be successfully argued that the Russian government was using espionage to manipulate the entire election and insure Trump's nomination.

This is where the question arises, would such proof negate the ENTIRE election process of 2016?


No.... because all it resulted in was the American voters having more valid information on which to base their voting decision.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 10:31:50 AM   
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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 10:45:33 AM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

There is one equally interesting proviso. Yes, it might take someone in the US and directly involved with both the Russians and the repubs...to go on record.

Given some 'smoking gun' evidence, the house could impeach and the senate convict for one other big reason...we get Pence. There goes all of the drama with no Russian ties, no business conflicts...no multi-billionaire cabinet, no wall, no constant appeal to throttle the Don down.

Pence is just more repub milquetoast.

He's just not quite the useful idiot W was but still a neocon pushover who would fold like a wet suit...or else. It is even possible that Ryan could become VP and then Pence could be 'forced' to resign if he didn't play ball, etc. etc. Then the repubs would have their new hatchet man in the oval.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 11:23:40 AM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

There is one equally interesting proviso. Yes, it might take someone in the US and directly involved with both the Russians and the repubs...to go on record.

Given some 'smoking gun' evidence, the house could impeach and the senate convict for one other big reason...we get Pence. There goes all of the drama with no Russian ties, no business conflicts...no multi-billionaire cabinet, no wall, no constant appeal to throttle the Don down.

Pence is just more repub milquetoast.

He's just not quite the useful idiot W was but still a neocon pushover who would fold like a wet suit...or else. It is even possible that Ryan could become VP and then Pence could be 'forced' to resign if he didn't play ball, etc. etc. Then the repubs would have their new hatchet man in the oval.

If the Russians and Trump are in possible legal trouble, don't we have to indict Obama for interfering with the Israeli elections?

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 11:35:50 AM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

There is one equally interesting proviso. Yes, it might take someone in the US and directly involved with both the Russians and the repubs...to go on record.

Given some 'smoking gun' evidence, the house could impeach and the senate convict for one other big reason...we get Pence. There goes all of the drama with no Russian ties, no business conflicts...no multi-billionaire cabinet, no wall, no constant appeal to throttle the Don down.

Pence is just more repub milquetoast.

He's just not quite the useful idiot W was but still a neocon pushover who would fold like a wet suit...or else. It is even possible that Ryan could become VP and then Pence could be 'forced' to resign if he didn't play ball, etc. etc. Then the repubs would have their new hatchet man in the oval.


If, if, if. Pretend this, imagine that. It's like you mom gave you the cutest little pretend tea set and you have all of your dolls and stuffed aminals sitting around in a circle and the party is the event of the century (in your little girl mind)

Guess what, Trump is president and will be president for the next four years



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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 11:51:41 AM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

There is one equally interesting proviso. Yes, it might take someone in the US and directly involved with both the Russians and the repubs...to go on record.

Given some 'smoking gun' evidence, the house could impeach and the senate convict for one other big reason...we get Pence. There goes all of the drama with no Russian ties, no business conflicts...no multi-billionaire cabinet, no wall, no constant appeal to throttle the Don down.

Pence is just more repub milquetoast.

He's just not quite the useful idiot W was but still a neocon pushover who would fold like a wet suit...or else. It is even possible that Ryan could become VP and then Pence could be 'forced' to resign if he didn't play ball, etc. etc. Then the repubs would have their new hatchet man in the oval.


If, if, if. Pretend this, imagine that. It's like you mom gave you the cutest little pretend tea set and you have all of your dolls and stuffed aminals sitting around in a circle and the party is the event of the century (in your little girl mind)

Guess what, Trump is president and will be president for the next four years



Your mum gave you girls' toys when you were a kid?
That explains a lot.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 12:38:59 PM   
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I doubt a Republican House would impeach Trump.

Impeachment would be for high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, so that is a non-starter.

The FBI reports to the DOJ, the DOJ prosecutes, or not . . . Trump's DOJ . . . .good luck with that one.

There is one equally interesting proviso. Yes, it might take someone in the US and directly involved with both the Russians and the repubs...to go on record.

Given some 'smoking gun' evidence, the house could impeach and the senate convict for one other big reason...we get Pence. There goes all of the drama with no Russian ties, no business conflicts...no multi-billionaire cabinet, no wall, no constant appeal to throttle the Don down.

Pence is just more repub milquetoast.

He's just not quite the useful idiot W was but still a neocon pushover who would fold like a wet suit...or else. It is even possible that Ryan could become VP and then Pence could be 'forced' to resign if he didn't play ball, etc. etc. Then the repubs would have their new hatchet man in the oval.

If the Russians and Trump are in possible legal trouble, don't we have to indict Obama for interfering with the Israeli elections?

You mean like when Benny boy came over and gave a speech to 'our' congress ? Link it. Too late now anyway.

I say if the repubs didn't impeach him for being black which trust me, to many of them...IS a high crime and felony, they won't in the next 24 hours.

Too bad in a way, no more Obama bills even reflecting repub policies, can they again vote against and when it passed anyway, go home do photo ops...taking credit for it.

I wonder how many poor repubs got ill, stayed ill and maybe even croaked dead, directly as a result of the repub governors refusing to take the expansion in Medicaid, just because, it was...an Obama bill ? Would that be partisan manslaughter ? Now there's another interesting question.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 1:26:10 PM   
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Left Leaning Media digs dirt on Trump to make him lose the election is perfectly okay.

Russians dig shit on Clinton to expose Clinton, is "rigging the election".

That's what sour grapes is, for Dems.

The majority of the media have refused to dig or report a single dirt on Hillary.

Good thing for Russian Hacking for some balance reporting.

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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 1:55:09 PM   
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RE: Interesting Question - 1/19/2017 5:04:51 PM   
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How much did hacking the DNC influence voters? Can it be proven that the hacking and release of the hacked info influenced voters?
What's worse, voting for Hillary not knowing how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running, or not voting for Hillary after finding out how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running?
Unless Trump and Russia worked together (and it would have to be proven, obviously), what did he do wrong?
Is this how Obama is going to get his 3rd term?!?!?

Who the fuck mentioned Obama and a third term?


Um, I did? It's not a new conspiracy theory that Obama was going to do something to get a third term. Perhaps this whole Trump campaign has been planned to end up this way, getting Obama his third term?

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Look at my questions (which did not mention Obama at all) since clearly Obama getting a third term would be in violation of the Constitution as well as Federal law.
1) If it is proved that the Russian government covertly (covert, meaning no one but the Russians knew) contributed to Trump's campaign, financially and with illegally gathered information, would it negate the election results?
Now, if a high member of the campaign staff knew of the Financial contributions of the Russian government, and Trump can deny such knowledge, the staffer goes to jail, not Trump, unless the evidence is such that Trump cant deny anything.


Hasn't it been shown that foreign money has found it's way into Obama's campaign coffers (which he reutrned; not a knock on him), Hillary's 2008 campaign, and others? Typically, the FEC tut tut's, wags a finger, and the candidate returns the foreign money. That's what Trump would have to do, too, isn't it?

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However, when you consider the 'cybercrime' possibility, then such illegally gathered information and hacking would have had to gone as far back as the primaries.
In which case, it could be successfully argued that the Russian government was using espionage to manipulate the entire election and insure Trump's nomination.
This is where the question arises, would such proof negate the ENTIRE election process of 2016?


It would have to be proven that the hacking actually had an effect on the elections, though. I can't see how that would have happened. Every time Trump opened his yap and attacked, his number surged; no cybercrime necessary.

If foreign money was used to buy ads, commercials, signs, etc. supporting one candidate, how could that candidate be penalized if he or she had no knowledge of it? Unless it's proven that Trump and the Russians collaborated, how is that Trump's fault?

You didn't answer my question: What's worse, voting for Hillary not knowing how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running, or not voting for Hillary after finding out how deplorable and corrupt a campaign she was running?



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