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heavyblinker -> Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 2:50:40 PM)

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

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Trump's decision to jettison the largest proposed free trade deal in history leaves the door open for Beijing to push its own brand of trade in a region that is home to many of the world's fastest-growing economies.

Edward Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said he was "baffled" as to why Trump would try to renegotiate NAFTA, which governs trade with Mexico and Canada, while abandoning TPP wholesale.

"Trump has single-handedly given away an enormous source of leverage over China," Alden said. "The first rule of negotiating is don't give away something for nothing, and he's done that right off the bat."

China is likely to be emboldened by Trump's backpedaling. Sen. John McCain, a former Republican presidential nominee, said that it was a "troubling signal" of American disengagement at a time when "we can least afford it."

"It will create an opening for China to rewrite the economic rules of the road at the expense of American workers," McCain added.

Beijing is already pushing its own trade deal known as the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP). It includes many countries, such as Japan and Australia, that would have been in TPP.

If RCEP succeeds, China would be in a stronger position to lead a bigger free trade area in the future. Already in Asia, some countries, like the Philippines, are aligning themselves with China.

Chinese officials are also welcoming Latin American nations to RCEP.

Critics worry that Beijing will increasingly set the rules and global standards that govern trade.

TPP included provisions that would have required countries like Vietnam and Brunei to observe international standards relating to forced labor and collective bargaining -- principles have long been valued by the U.S.


Not only has Trump allowed China to lead the way in the world's fastest-developing economic region, he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization. Good job voting for the end of your position as a global economic leader, America!




tamaka -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 2:56:34 PM)

There's something big in it for us (US).




sloguy02246 -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 2:59:04 PM)

Where is this quote from?
I would like to read the entire piece (presuming there is more than the quote above).




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 3:06:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
There's something big in it for us (US).


A big decline!




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 3:08:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

Where is this quote from?
I would like to read the entire piece (presuming there is more than the quote above).


I edited my post to include the link.




sloguy02246 -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 3:13:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


quote:

ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

Where is this quote from?
I would like to read the entire piece (presuming there is more than the quote above).


I edited my post to include the link.


Thank you.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 3:52:49 PM)

Clinton News Network

No bias there...




mnottertail -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 5:50:25 PM)

Nope if it aint on the NSN -- Nutsucker Slobberblog Network, it aint fake news and aint propaganda, so it cant be promulgated to the feebleminded toiletlickers. I feel your pain tomi.




Kirata -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 7:37:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

That's one opinion. Here's another:

Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization.

Which is likely to be an unenviable position, given widespread and growing anti-globalization sentiment.

K.






sloguy02246 -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 8:08:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

That's one opinion. Here's another:

Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization.

Which is likely to be an unenviable position, given widespread and growing anti-globalization sentiment.

K.





Hoffa opinion piece: Only views the action in terms of jobs. No depth of ideas and not a word of concern about the possibility of collateral economic and political fallout.

CNN: Much broader observation about multiple effects on international trade policies and politics, as well as concerns over future implications for American interests abroad.

Hoffa's take on this isn't necessarily wrong, but it is certainly limited in its scope. It is very one-dimensional particularly by its silence about any effects other than those involving their union members. But then Hoffa is the president of a union - not of the United States.






MrRodgers -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 8:25:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

quote:

Trump's decision to jettison the largest proposed free trade deal in history leaves the door open for Beijing to push its own brand of trade in a region that is home to many of the world's fastest-growing economies.

Edward Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said he was "baffled" as to why Trump would try to renegotiate NAFTA, which governs trade with Mexico and Canada, while abandoning TPP wholesale.

"Trump has single-handedly given away an enormous source of leverage over China," Alden said. "The first rule of negotiating is don't give away something for nothing, and he's done that right off the bat."

China is likely to be emboldened by Trump's backpedaling. Sen. John McCain, a former Republican presidential nominee, said that it was a "troubling signal" of American disengagement at a time when "we can least afford it."

"It will create an opening for China to rewrite the economic rules of the road at the expense of American workers," McCain added.

Beijing is already pushing its own trade deal known as the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP). It includes many countries, such as Japan and Australia, that would have been in TPP.

If RCEP succeeds, China would be in a stronger position to lead a bigger free trade area in the future. Already in Asia, some countries, like the Philippines, are aligning themselves with China.

Chinese officials are also welcoming Latin American nations to RCEP.

Critics worry that Beijing will increasingly set the rules and global standards that govern trade.

TPP included provisions that would have required countries like Vietnam and Brunei to observe international standards relating to forced labor and collective bargaining -- principles have long been valued by the U.S.


Not only has Trump allowed China to lead the way in the world's fastest-developing economic region, he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization. Good job voting for the end of your position as a global economic leader, America!

First of all, this concedes nothing in terms of any US technological advantages.

Second of all, there were monopoly provisions that Australia had already told all parties that would never pass their legislators.

Third and most significantly for workers but of least importance to the profiteers, is the obvious lack of any enforcement mechanism or desire to enforce any so-called 'international standards relating to forced labor and collective bargaining.'

Most all so-called 'free trade' agreements are not free trade agreements at all. They are an attempt to codify current western advantages into the law of all of the countries involved. irrespective BTW of most all environmental and safety regulations currently observed by the west.




mnottertail -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 9:14:33 PM)

We all know that Trump owes China money, this was clearly a quid pro quo, a down payment, with more servile sellouts to come, and we have yet to see how Russia is going to get theirs.




tamaka -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 9:30:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We all know that Trump owes China money, this was clearly a quid pro quo, a down payment, with more servile sellouts to come, and we have yet to see how Russia is going to get theirs.


How much does the US owe China?




tj444 -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 10:13:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html



As I understand it, Vietnam would have had the biggest benefit from the TPP but as they (rightly) predicted that the TPP wouldnt survive, they have gone to "Plan B" and negotiated their own free trade deals with various countries and the flushing of the TPP wont hurt them in any great way. The US market becomes less important as others have taken its place.. The world will grow & trade as the US builds its walls & cowers behind them.. The rest of the world isnt gonna stop just cuz the US cant get its shite together.. the US market is pretty saturated (& credit cards are tapped out) anyway.. when business tax rates drop it will be the middle class that will have to do more of the heavy lifting on that (so who will have $ to buy stuff?).. Trump has already (on day 1) made buying a house with a mortgage more expensive for y'all.. expect to be nickeled and dimed into the poor house..
That said, it didnt sound like Clinton would have passed the TPP either, had she won.. so it really doesnt matter much which idiot is in charge.. They were both bad news...

"Vietnam and the EU completed negotiations on a trade deal this year. In October, Vietnam joined the five-member, Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union. The agreement gives Vietnam access to a market of 181 million people.

Vietnam also is part of 16 free-trade deals, including agreements signed by Southeast Asia’s 10-member ASEAN trading group of countries. ASEAN has agreements with China, India and Japan.

Vietnam is also likely to be part of the Chinese-led Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. The trade deal would include India. Neither China nor India is part of the TPP. Experts say it will take several years for negotiations to be completed. They consider the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership China’s answer to the TPP."

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/vietnam-moves-away-from-trans-pacific-partnership/3635796.html






Greta75 -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/23/2017 10:44:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

quote:

Trump's decision to jettison the largest proposed free trade deal in history leaves the door open for Beijing to push its own brand of trade in a region that is home to many of the world's fastest-growing economies.


I posted another article which says the ONLY people in democratic camp pushing for TPP is Obama and Hillary.

Bernie and the rest of the democratic party WANTS TPP gone. In this issue, Dems and Reps have unity.




mnottertail -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/24/2017 4:55:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We all know that Trump owes China money, this was clearly a quid pro quo, a down payment, with more servile sellouts to come, and we have yet to see how Russia is going to get theirs.


How much does the US owe China?

Well, with the nutsucker borrow and spend, probably near half of what it owes the US citizenry. But Il Douche is the one on the hook and is the one who will dance the nutsucker catamite dance for them.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/24/2017 12:25:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

That's one opinion. Here's another:

Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization.

Which is likely to be an unenviable position, given widespread and growing anti-globalization sentiment.

K.





From your linked article:

Hoffa: Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

I find that turn of events striking, Teamster leadership praising Trump policy

President Trump really seems to be collecting the white working class voters that the Democrats appear determined to cast out of their party

Somewhat related, is the Idaho Democrat who is seeking the DNC leadership position, who is making national news by lashing out at whites

Are we really watching the Democrat party commit suicide?




WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/24/2017 12:41:17 PM)

Of course it does, the mans a dangerous idiot. Incidentally the trade deal was never ratified by America, now was it....not that the Americashire jackals know this...they just like insane biggoted rhetoric.




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/24/2017 12:41:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/tpp-trump-china/index.html

That's one opinion. Here's another:

Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

he has left China as the biggest supporter of globalization.

Which is likely to be an unenviable position, given widespread and growing anti-globalization sentiment.

K.





From your linked article:

Hoffa: Withdrawal from TPP the Right Choice for U.S. Trade Policy

I find that turn of events striking, Teamster leadership praising Trump policy

President Trump really seems to be collecting the white working class voters that the Democrats appear determined to cast out of their party


The unions have been poisoning their minds with all of this 'foreigners took your jobs' shit for a long time now. The only reason they voted Democrat was because the GOP wanted to get rid of the unions completely while still being in favor of free trade agreements. Trump is a protectionist, so of course they're going to have to support that.

Very very few economists think that protectionism will be anything but negative.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's decision to cancel TPP helps China (1/24/2017 12:44:58 PM)

"Very few"?
As many as three?




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