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Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not even... - 1/24/2017 5:41:24 AM   
Musicmystery


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New York (AFP) - A group of American lawyers on Monday filed a federal lawsuit in New York against Donald Trump, accusing the US president of violating a constitutional ban on accepting payments from foreign governments.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-non-profit-sue-trump-over-foreign-payments-030447457.html
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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 6:15:57 AM   
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That didn't take long.

New York (AFP) - A group of American lawyers on Monday filed a federal lawsuit in New York against Donald Trump, accusing the US president of violating a constitutional ban on accepting payments from foreign governments.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-non-profit-sue-trump-over-foreign-payments-030447457.html

I know you're having fun, but that's pretty thin stuff.

CREW says Trump's business properties abroad operate based partly on goodwill from foreign governments and regulators, but that under the US Constitution no federal official can receive a gift or "emolument" from a foreign government.

"Now that he has been sworn into office as the 45th president of the United States, those business interests are creating countless conflicts of interest, as well as unprecedented influence by foreign governments," it added.

The story is dated January 23.

Trump's lawyer Sheri Dillon said January 11 that Trump would donate all proceeds from any foreign officials to his hotels to the US Treasury

Ergo, he won't be receiving any gifts or emoluments from foreign governments via his businesses.

K.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 6:52:02 AM   
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CREW says Trump's business properties abroad operate based partly on goodwill from foreign governments and regulators, but that under the US Constitution no federal official can receive a gift or "emolument" from a foreign government.

"Now that he has been sworn into office as the 45th president of the United States, those business interests are creating countless conflicts of interest, as well as unprecedented influence by foreign governments," it added.

The story is dated January 23.

Trump's lawyer Sheri Dillon said January 11 that Trump would donate all proceeds from any foreign officials to his hotels to the US Treasury

Ergo, he won't be receiving any gifts or emoluments from foreign governments via his businesses.

K.


Just as a matter of semantics, K, surely, for someone to 'donate' a gift or proceeds they must have received them in the first place to be able to make the donation???

I'm sure some lawyers would make a meal of that in a court somewhere.
Maybe that's the angle they're coming from.


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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 6:56:14 AM   
Musicmystery


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Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

It's hard to believe the latter. It's why people before him strove to eliminate those conflicts before taking office.

He's a business man with an army, tax revenue, and executive power.

It's not a reassuring situation.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 7:56:42 AM   
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Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

Well according to your source, he's turned over the running of the Trump Organization to his sons. So where's the conflict?

K.


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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:06:09 AM   
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Nothing to see here. That's normal in his life.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:07:41 AM   
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Here's the thing.

Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

It's hard to believe the latter. It's why people before him strove to eliminate those conflicts before taking office.

He's a business man with an army, tax revenue, and executive power.

It's not a reassuring situation.


And you don't even have Obama's politicized IRS and DOJ and every other alphabet agency to lay siege against him now. You're just going to have to trust him, like I trusted Obama

Oh the humanity

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:17:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

Well according to your source, he's turned over the running of the Trump Organization to his sons. So where's the conflict?

K.



Well, because 'hey bro, Dad being president, could do us a whole lotta good.' Even GHWB put words to it. 'I don't even want any appearance of a conflict of interest.' Even though he really made out when W (his boy) took over.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:18:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Here's the thing.

Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

It's hard to believe the latter. It's why people before him strove to eliminate those conflicts before taking office.

He's a business man with an army, tax revenue, and executive power.

It's not a reassuring situation.


And you don't even have Obama's politicized IRS and DOJ and every other alphabet agency to lay siege against him now. You're just going to have to trust him, like I trusted Obama

Oh the humanity

Trusted Obama with what...his billion$ ?

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:31:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obama has billions? Wild: something else he's one up on el presidente over, then.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:40:41 AM   
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Trusted Obama with what...his billion$ ?


His power, which he routinely abused

Illegally ran arms to Mexican drug lords, had his IRS go after Conservative groups, refused to enforce laws as he swore to, politicized various other agencies, etc etc etc

Interesting side note - one of the drug lords Obama released, while abusing his pardon powers, met up with some of his non-violent drug offender friends at his halfway house recently

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Michigan Man Whose Drug Sentence Commuted By Obama Is Shot Dead

SAGINAW (WWJ/AP) – A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan after two men with assault-style rifles sought him out, police said.

Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member. Lt. David Kaiser said Thomas was shot several times by one of the men as some of the roughly two dozen people at the home were held at gunpoint.

“One person watched over a group of them while another subject located the victim and executed him,” Kaiser told The Saginaw News. “They were looking for this person.”

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/01/24/michigan-man-whose-drug-sentence-commuted-by-obama-is-shot-dead/


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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 8:42:14 AM   
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His power, which he routinely abused

Good job that no Republican president has ever done that, then.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 9:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sons? I thought one of them was an adviser to him - A god fearing man who believes in fundamental christian value - 3rd wife, or is it his fourth..i'd ask him but I know he cant count that high.

The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is pursuing Trump over his vast business holdings, from which the billionaire has refused to divest fully, saying that as president he can have no conflict of interest. That makes no sense at all and I would expect nothing less from the blethering idiot.

Books are cooked as are his tax's...let us see them pretty please for a laugh :))) best I go do the pipeline thread eh!

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 9:41:57 AM   
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Sons? I thought one of them was an adviser to him - A god fearing man who believes in fundamental christian value - 3rd wife, or is it his fourth..i'd ask him but I know he cant count that high.

The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is pursuing Trump over his vast business holdings, from which the billionaire has refused to divest fully, saying that as president he can have no conflict of interest. That makes no sense at all and I would expect nothing less from the blethering idiot.

Books are cooked as are his tax's...let us see them pretty please for a laugh :))) best I go do the pipeline thread eh!



More fake news -

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If you think Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington is a “non-profit, non-partisan” watchdog group, think again.

In reality, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a left-wing attack dog masquerading as a “non-partisan watchdog.”


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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 10:18:56 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		No need to quote me i can follow a conversation. I like how you with the mental big typo - all that does to me is reinforce to me, the others can speak for themselves, is prove how utterly fuking mental you are. Now, see when I post something incorrect I come back and issue an unreserved apology....this happens a few times, not often.

But I really have no recollection of posting a fake new story or one with undue bias....ever.

I like how you deal with actual facts with none at all you are the best on here, programmed are you not...been through this with you before on here have I not?

So let us examine it again for the dim wits in our midst who get their information from right wing fake news websites spouting steaming pish.
1. Refused to divest fully his business interests
2. Stating that as president he can have no conflict of interest.

Begin your rebuttal - i would prefer something more than a jobbie http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jobbie


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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 1:45:00 PM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

Well according to your source, he's turned over the running of the Trump Organization to his sons. So where's the conflict?

K.



He's still the owner/beneficiary.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 4:07:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Sons? I thought one of them was an adviser to him - A god fearing man who believes in fundamental christian value - 3rd wife, or is it his fourth..i'd ask him but I know he cant count that high.

The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is pursuing Trump over his vast business holdings, from which the billionaire has refused to divest fully, saying that as president he can have no conflict of interest. That makes no sense at all and I would expect nothing less from the blethering idiot.

Books are cooked as are his tax's...let us see them pretty please for a laugh :))) best I go do the pipeline thread eh!



More fake news -

quote:


If you think Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington is a “non-profit, non-partisan” watchdog group, think again.

In reality, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a left-wing attack dog masquerading as a “non-partisan watchdog.”


Just what Judicial Watch does for the right...to the left...only better.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 4:08:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Is Trump going to serve his own business interests or the best interests of the country when those two are in conflict?

Well according to your source, he's turned over the running of the Trump Organization to his sons. So where's the conflict?

K.



He's still the owner/beneficiary.

Oh no man, you just know his own sons will do the right thing...for the country.

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/24/2017 7:23:12 PM   
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It's not a reassuring situation.



Nope, it certainly isn't, but President Trump is the new normal, and since nobody on the left has a shred of credibility to oppose the most dangerous aspects of that, we might as well get used to the idea.

I'm sure the lawsuit is only the first of many mostly futile and ultimately counter-productive attacks that will be launched at him. But hey, trivializing charges of violating the Constitution right off the bat? That's not counter-productive. It's fucking stupid. Maybe save that for usurping Congress to rewrite legislation by dictate, or making war on a sovereign foreign country without any permission or declaration to grant him the authority to do that?

Or would that be awkward?

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RE: Trump already sued for violating Constitution, not ... - 1/25/2017 12:14:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I suppose its like birther shit, and the number of impeachement introductions, and the Benghazi asswipe, and the email horseshit, and all the other political assassinations by the nutsuckers, but it doesn't seem to really make a difference, this is one of many lawsuits he will face.

It hasnt gone really badly for the nutsuckers, I doubt this will go badly for the lawyers, regardless of who they are defending or accusing.

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