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WhoreMods -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 12:50:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Which is exactly why we wanted someone who wouldn't seek to compromise with people who hate like you do. The art of the deal, negotiate like you have a set of balls. Negotiate to win. You can't keep screwing people over without consequences. Exactly... and America has been getting screwed over for a long time. By whom? By every othee country in the world pretty much. Have you ever viewed our trade deficits? Do you realize that everyone has counted on our military, which we pay for, to protect the world? Really? When was the last time your military did something that benefited another country besides your own? I can't think of anything this side of 1942, and you invoiced for that one.

tamaka -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 12:57:17 PM)
The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive.

mnottertail -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 1:14:35 PM)
Yeah, like we didnt use it in Iraq when the Saudis attacked on 9/11 or in Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Libya, Dominican Republic, and so on, I see what you mean.

MrRodgers -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 1:37:29 PM)
This is nothing more or less then the rhetoric of a demagogue.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 2:22:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka By every othee country in the world pretty much. Have you ever viewed our trade deficits? Do you realize that everyone has counted on our military, which we pay for, to protect the world? America has achieved global dominance through force, and America/American corporations take the biggest slice of the pie as a result... and now you want to be the victim? And considering that a recession is probably the best way to cut down a trade deficit, you might just see that problem fixed under Trump's insanity. And if people really gave a shit about the deficit with say, China... they wouldn't go rushing to buy absolutely everything they have to sell. It has nothing to do with China screwing America... it is about Americans screwing themselves-- if you can even consider that screwing, which it really isn't.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 3:07:44 PM)
utter mess lying cunt fanny day like all of yu save...i warned you all

Musicmystery -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 3:51:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive. Doesn't make expanding it make any sense either.

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 5:33:10 PM)
Yep, after 911, those old allies(takers) were nowhere to be seen.

Greta75 -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 6:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think it's just you feel that way because, you don't like the fact that he is President, and reading too much into it. You just don't like he chose inauguration day, because you don't like him as President. But to me, he wants to bring the country together, and that is a good day to mark the start of it. If he had any interest in bringing the country together, he wouldn't be doing things that are actively pissing people off. The way you bring people together is by compromising and finding common ground-- not doing whatever you want and expecting everyone to love you for it. I don't know how anyone with basic social skills could not know this. Actually, what he is doing is keeping his promises. He threw out his ideas of what he wanted to do during the election. People's vote for him IS Majority nodding to him to continue. So why should he worry about the pissed off loud minority. Fact is, majority states voted for him. Even IF he lost the popular vote, but you also gotta consider, voter turn out. There are many who did not vote at all. And you don't know where they are on this issue since they are supporting neither party.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 7:37:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think it's just you feel that way because, you don't like the fact that he is President, and reading too much into it. You just don't like he chose inauguration day, because you don't like him as President. But to me, he wants to bring the country together, and that is a good day to mark the start of it. If he had any interest in bringing the country together, he wouldn't be doing things that are actively pissing people off. The way you bring people together is by compromising and finding common ground-- not doing whatever you want and expecting everyone to love you for it. I don't know how anyone with basic social skills could not know this. Actually, what he is doing is keeping his promises. He threw out his ideas of what he wanted to do during the election. People's vote for him IS Majority nodding to him to continue. So why should he worry about the pissed off loud minority. Fact is, majority states voted for him. Even IF he lost the popular vote, but you also gotta consider, voter turn out. There are many who did not vote at all. And you don't know where they are on this issue since they are supporting neither party. The popular vote is the majority of VOTERS. The EC vote is about a majority of representatives who have been elected based on a first past the post system. Neither result represents the will of the majority of Americans, and I would even suggest that neither do any of the major political parties. The American political system is one of the least democratic in the Western world-- and it's made even worse by voter suppression and apathy. Your system is much worse, of course... but America's is still bad enough for all of this 'the people have spoken' shit to be utterly false, and every time you say shit like this it is obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Every four years Americans choose one of two not-so-great to horrible options, and then convince themselves that they agree with the result if their team wins, and do the opposite if their team loses. Usually, terrible things happen, but they are all acceptable given the context and the options available. On top of this, he doesn't even fucking represent what people who voted for him think he represents, because they didn't know what they were voting for, because he is a liar... a bad one. I feel sorry for people who voted for him, because they are either really desperate, really stupid or just plain lost. Keeping his promises will have terrible results. Breaking his promises will probably also have terrible results, because he is clueless. He is the worst thing that has happened to American politics in my lifetime.

tamaka -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/26/2017 10:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive. Doesn't make expanding it make any sense either. It's a good educational opportunity for people. I'd rather put money into expanding the military and let folks earn their education rather than making community college free.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 3:48:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Trump has officially designated his own inauguration day 'National Day of Patriotic Observation'. And before you start leaping to conclusions about him honoring all presidents, NOPE, the day is only January 20th, 2017. When I first read this I thought that Trump was the only President inaugurated on January 20th but January 20th is the day all US Presidents are inaugurated so it could be an attempt to honor all US Presidents. But it would have been better to choose another day since that day is already the day US presidents are inaugurated.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 4:03:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think it's just you feel that way because, you don't like the fact that he is President, and reading too much into it. You just don't like he chose inauguration day, because you don't like him as President. But to me, he wants to bring the country together, and that is a good day to mark the start of it. If he had any interest in bringing the country together, he wouldn't be doing things that are actively pissing people off. The way you bring people together is by compromising and finding common ground-- not doing whatever you want and expecting everyone to love you for it. I don't know how anyone with basic social skills could not know this. Actually, what he is doing is keeping his promises. He threw out his ideas of what he wanted to do during the election. People's vote for him IS Majority nodding to him to continue. So why should he worry about the pissed off loud minority. Fact is, majority states voted for him. Even IF he lost the popular vote, but you also gotta consider, voter turn out. There are many who did not vote at all. And you don't know where they are on this issue since they are supporting neither party. The popular vote is the majority of VOTERS. The EC vote is about a majority of representatives who have been elected based on a first past the post system. Neither result represents the will of the majority of Americans, and I would even suggest that neither do any of the major political parties. The American political system is one of the least democratic in the Western world-- and it's made even worse by voter suppression and apathy. Your system is much worse, of course... but America's is still bad enough for all of this 'the people have spoken' shit to be utterly false, and every time you say shit like this it is obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Every four years Americans choose one of two not-so-great to horrible options, and then convince themselves that they agree with the result if their team wins, and do the opposite if their team loses. Usually, terrible things happen, but they are all acceptable given the context and the options available. On top of this, he doesn't even fucking represent what people who voted for him think he represents, because they didn't know what they were voting for, because he is a liar... a bad one. I feel sorry for people who voted for him, because they are either really desperate, really stupid or just plain lost. Keeping his promises will have terrible results. Breaking his promises will probably also have terrible results, because he is clueless. He is the worst thing that has happened to American politics in my lifetime. Regardless of who is President at this time, I feel the two party system we now have needs to be modified. Because lately the choices they make seem to be bad ones. Two election days would be better. A first election with everybody who wants to be President on the ballot and a second election with just the top two or three candidates on the ballot from the first election. That way there would be a better chance of electing a true people's President and not just another man that toes the party line.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 8:36:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Two election days would be better. A first election with everybody who wants to be President on the ballot and a second election with just the top two or three candidates on the ballot from the first election. That way there would be a better chance of electing a true people's President and not just another man that toes the party line. Other countries actually hold referendum votes every now and then... I'm pretty sure people would feel a lot stronger about say, surveillance and trade policies if they were given a separate vote on them as opposed to voting for a package deal and then being powerless to change it. In Europe, coalitions are the norm. In Denmark for example there is a coalition of right wing parties and a coalition of left wing parties, and whichever side gets the most votes wins-- and whichever party on that side gets the most votes has the most influence on policy, with concessions given to the others based on their degree of representation within the parliament. It lends a sense of legitimacy to ALL parties, and there are several-- free market libertarians, fascists, traditional conservatives, moderates, social democrats, socialists, communists, etc. The biggest drawback with coalitions is that they can quickly legitimize extremist elements, but since that has happened in the US anyways, and in the most horrible fashion, it doesn't seem to be such a big worry anymore.

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 8:43:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker In Europe, coalitions are the norm. In Denmark for example there is a coalition of right wing parties and a coalition of left wing parties, and whichever side gets the most votes wins-- and whichever party on that side gets the most votes has the most influence on policy, with concessions given to the others based on their degree of representation within the parliament. It lends a sense of legitimacy to ALL parties, and there are several-- free market libertarians, fascists, traditional conservatives, moderates, social democrats, socialists, communists, etc. The biggest drawback with coalitions is that they can quickly legitimize extremist elements, but since that has happened in the US anyways, and in the most horrible fashion, it doesn't seem to be such a big worry anymore. Sadly, the cod-classical set up you have over there works quite effectively to make a hung parliament that would require a coalition forming to produce a ruling majority impossible. Having two separate houses of representatives and a President who isn't a member of either rather than a parliament is just as big a block on that sort of arrangement as the electoral college, sadly.

BoscoX -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 9:02:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive. Doesn't make expanding it make any sense either. The military is one of the few legitimate roles that the federal government was ever meant to fill. Not micromanaging mud puddles, or forcing everybody has to purchase worthless "insurance" from friends of the president to keep the IRS at bay etc

mnottertail -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 1:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive. Doesn't make expanding it make any sense either. The military is one of the few legitimate roles that the federal government was ever meant to fill. Not micromanaging mud puddles, or forcing everybody has to purchase worthless "insurance" from friends of the president to keep the IRS at bay etc Uh, no, you dont read much other than expert level felchgobbling there in the compound, do you:

Aylee -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 1:52:47 PM)
FR So, “National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation," was just fine, but “National Day of Patriotic Devotion," is a bridge too far? Did patriotism become a bad word again?

mnottertail -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 2:13:09 PM)
Its not bad if patriots engage in it, but in America, and this was done in America, celebrating the Russian interference in our elections as well as destruction of the country by a bankrupt deadbeat retard as our patriotism that is a bridge too far.

Musicmystery -> RE: Trump has created a special day to honor himself (1/27/2017 6:02:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka The great thing about maintaining a strong military is that you seldom have to use it. Doesn't make maintaining it any less expensive. Doesn't make expanding it make any sense either. The military is one of the few legitimate roles that the federal government was ever meant to fill. Not micromanaging mud puddles, or forcing everybody has to purchase worthless "insurance" from friends of the president to keep the IRS at bay etc Bilking taxpayers to build billions of stuff the military doesn't want or need is not part of that legitimate role.

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