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Musicmystery -> 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 7:21:07 PM)

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Given Trump's erratic behavior in his first few days, Washington is starting to murmur about the 25th Amendment

Donald Trump is in over his head. This comes as no surprise to the millions of people who could see that he was unprepared and unfit for the job of president of the United States and voted against him. He’s basically a celebrity heir to a fortune who was so entitled that he believed his privileged existence proved he was competent to run the most powerful nation on Earth. That’s the attitude of an aristocrat who ascended to the throne without having any idea what it actually takes to rule. History’s full of such men. It doesn’t often work out well.

From last Saturday through Tuesday night, it’s been one surreal event after another, starting with Trump’s visit to the CIA headquarters where he stood in front of the Memorial Wall — marked with 117 stars honoring agents who have died in the line of duty — and acted like he was at a rally in a high school gym in Indiana.

He didn’t seem to have a clue that he was being inappropriate. He compounded the bad impression by sending out his press secretary Sean Spicer to insist that the crowd for his inauguration was bigger than any in history. When Kellyanne Conway defended Spicer by saying he had simply offered “alternative facts,” members of the media were stunned. It’s not that they assume officials always tell the truth. But they were clearly shocked that the White House would chastise them for reporting something that was obviously and provably correct.



When the president was reported to have told congressional leaders on Monday that he still believed 3 million to 5 million illegal votes had been cast in the election, causing him to lose the popular vote to Hillary Clinton, it became clear that Trump’s erratic behavior was not stopping. Leaks have been pouring out from inside the nascent administration, giving a picture of an insecure, irrational man who is obsessed with his image and little else.

According to an article in The Washington Post, Trump’s inner circle is overwhelmed by power struggles and internecine battles while the president fulminates over every criticism. The New York Times has reported that his staff is concerned about his “simmering resentment” at what he thinks is unfair press coverage. Politico has reported that aides are trying to minimize his incessant TV viewing, and according to a report by Axios, Trump is running his administration almost entirely in reaction to what he sees in the media. He sounds as if he is unable to handle the stress and is using avoidance mechanisms.



So what happens if President Trump cannot pull himself together and continues to psychologically unravel? There is a remedy other than impeachment. Even conservatives like David Frum have been talking about it for a while:

The 25th Amendment was added to the Constitution after the assassination of John F. Kennedy and provides for the replacement of the vice president if the office becomes vacant. (So it led indirectly to the presidency of Gerald Ford, the only American president who was never elected to any national office.) But Section 4 is about something else entirely:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Of course it’s an extreme long shot that members of Trump’s Cabinet or the Republican leadership in Congress would ever take such a drastic step. (Although it’s not at all hard to imagine that in their hearts many of them would prefer President Mike Pence.) This would only happen if Trump really started to behave in a unhinged fashion. After all the bizarre behavior he has exhibited over the past 18 months, one cannot help but wonder: What could possibly count as going too far?

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/25/dont-look-now-its-president-pence-donald-trump-can-be-deposed-even-without-impeachment/




tj444 -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 8:46:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Given Trump's erratic behavior in his first few days, Washington is starting to murmur about the 25th Amendment

Of course it’s an extreme long shot that members of Trump’s Cabinet or the Republican leadership in Congress would ever take such a drastic step. (Although it’s not at all hard to imagine that in their hearts many of them would prefer President Mike Pence.) This would only happen if Trump really started to behave in a unhinged fashion. After all the bizarre behavior he has exhibited over the past 18 months, one cannot help but wonder: What could possibly count as going too far?

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/25/dont-look-now-its-president-pence-donald-trump-can-be-deposed-even-without-impeachment/


Imo, don't hold yer breath.. You really think any of them have the balls to try that???? Tthey seem to be too busy kissing his flabby arse.. Imo, he will be as hard to get rid of as Hitler was.. I think y'all are stuck with him.. (& who is to say that after 8 years he wont sign an EO to extend his reign even longer)..

"List of assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler




Real0ne -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 8:53:27 PM)

what irratic behavior is that? He has the approval of his constituents.




BoscoX -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 8:56:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

what irratic behavior is that? He has the approval of his constituents.


"Failure to respect the election results is a direct threat to our Democracy." - Guess who?




Real0ne -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 8:57:09 PM)

Ok but its nothing new that you have a basket full of opinions all negative spin against trump, care to supply us with any facts, alternative or otherwise?




Musicmystery -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 9:00:41 PM)

Done. Read the OP.

25th Amendment? Fact.

Likely to be used? Probably not.

Interesting possibility.




MrRodgers -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/25/2017 11:21:35 PM)

All of this is only a point of discussion not because of media spin or illegals voting or Spicer being fed to the wolves.

It is all only because of Trumps reactions and how unusual it is through online media and rather obvious if not outlandish substance or lack thereof in his speeches the most obvious ridiculousness of which, was his speech at the CIA that even insiders there and necessarily bipartisan intelligence professionals heard it as...a massage to his ego.

I mean contrast this with the almost complete silence exercised by Obama and even W as people ranted on and on about them.

Unhinged may not yet be but could soon be...the word.

Could this guy be the rich Manhattan version of the paranoia of a Nixon ?




MasterBrentC -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 12:23:01 AM)

God bless President Trump.




Kirata -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 12:49:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Jeeez, MM, take a deep breath. Six threads in one day?

K.





Termyn8or -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 2:35:38 AM)

Well if you keep repeating something it becomes true.

BTW, that was NOT Goebbels. He may have believed it, but the credit for the actual quote goes to someone else. But then who says the Nazis were lying ?

The republicans are not going to oust Trump. much as they don't like hi they know they would have liked Clinton even less, though a hostile congress would have kept her somewhat in check. Problem is the military. I think we are better off with Trump in control of that than her.

T^T




bounty44 -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 5:01:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Jeeez, MM, take a deep breath. Six threads in one day?

K.




and this one seemingly the most absurd.

I just wrote this on another one but it bears repeating here. if I were a psychiatrist I wonder if I would be tempted to suggest year long sedation.




subrob1967 -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 5:08:38 AM)

FR

He's either lost his mind, or he's just trolling. I believe he's lost reality and just can't accept that Hillary Rodham Clinton lost.




Musicmystery -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 5:32:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Jeeez, MM, take a deep breath. Six threads in one day?

K.



Interesting things popped up.

Not like anything is happening in this room:
- Hilary!
- Nuh-uh, the inauguration was the hugest crowd ever
- Waaaaaa! The feminists said something!
- Today in alt-right fantasy news . . .

It's been a slow week. I'm catching up.

Have some fun! Very little in here can be taken seriously anymore.





bounty44 -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 5:36:14 AM)

it does make me wonder if in his real life he is acting with this much hysteria.




Musicmystery -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 5:58:59 AM)

I'm fascinated folks are so fixated on me. In real life, people just go about their day.

It's an interesting point I wasn't aware of, that at least in theory (though not likely), it could so easily invoked.

Congress has a lot more power than people realize. They just mostly waste it bickering.




Real0ne -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 11:14:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don’t look now: It’s President Pence! Donald Trump can be deposed, even without impeachment

Jeeez, MM, take a deep breath. Six threads in one day?

K.





and nonstop, slightly obessed, hope he doesnt blow a gasket.


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that just looks like a world of butthurt when almost every thread has the same name! [8D]




BoscoX -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 11:29:33 AM)

The [sm=runaway.gif] continues




mnottertail -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 11:31:21 AM)

nutsuckers are definitely continuing to felchgobble from the other side of their tongue, that is stipulated, without let or hindrance.




Real0ne -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 11:42:17 AM)

yeh big time!

[img]http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/sad/crybaby.gif[/img]

theres grasping for straws this rates as fantasy!






Musicmystery -> RE: 25th Amendment allows an out without impeachment (1/26/2017 3:36:18 PM)

LOL!

Sure, just keep telling yourself -- the real world isn't there, the real world isn't there, the real world isn't there . . .

[image]http://static.pinkisthenewblog.com/uploads/2016/05/Depp-as-Mad-Hatter-400x300.jpg[/image]

Now, if you're done with your fascination with me . . . any thoughts on the 25th Amendment?




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