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Musicmystery -> Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 4:22:38 PM)

The Duma’s war on women:
Why Russia is about to decriminalise wife-beating


Russia is one of three countries in Europe and Central Asia that do not have laws specifically targeting domestic violence. Instead it is treated like other forms of assault, ignoring the fact that spouses and children are more vulnerable than other victims.

Domestic violence has deep cultural roots. An old Russian proverb says: “If he beats you it means he loves you.” “Violence isn’t just a norm, it’s our style of life,” says Alena Popova, an advocate for laws against domestic violence. The scale of the problem is difficult to measure, but according to Russia’s interior ministry, 40% of violent crimes happen within the family.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21715726-it-fits-traditional-values-lawmakers-say-why-russia-about-decriminalise-wife-beating?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/thedumaswaronwomenwhyrussiaisabouttodecriminalisewifebeating

Isn't that one of the "OMG MUSLIMS!" folks' frequent examples -- wife beating?

While loving up Russia for interfering in the election?




tamaka -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 4:35:35 PM)

Government should not be overly involved in the private family life of its citizens.




Musicmystery -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 4:42:03 PM)

By, for example, passing laws preventing them from being beat up.

OK if Russians do it, bad if Muslims do it. That about it?

And while we're on it -- government doesn't belong in reproductive decisions either.




Greta75 -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 5:18:07 PM)

This is different.

Does Russia have a doctrine that has their God tell them, you MUST beat your wife?

NO!

Our Chinese culture traditionally also, wife beating and child beating is acceptable and normal way of life. But because it's not a religion.

We now have changed alot. Also as woman gain more independence, women don't take such shit now.

Because there is no religion promoting wife beating.

Wife beating and children beating is able to be eradicated.

It will be the same for Russia eventually.

But Muslims...., it will never be as it is a REQUIREMENT of their religion.

And I cannot believe this nonsense about "Muslims aren't evil because Russians beat their wife too" Bullshit!




Musicmystery -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 6:33:23 PM)

Wow. Just...wow.

You're a special blend.




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/26/2017 7:28:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The Duma’s war on women:
Why Russia is about to decriminalise wife-beating


Russia is one of three countries in Europe and Central Asia that do not have laws specifically targeting domestic violence. Instead it is treated like other forms of assault, ignoring the fact that spouses and children are more vulnerable than other victims.

Domestic violence has deep cultural roots. An old Russian proverb says: “If he beats you it means he loves you.” “Violence isn’t just a norm, it’s our style of life,” says Alena Popova, an advocate for laws against domestic violence. The scale of the problem is difficult to measure, but according to Russia’s interior ministry, 40% of violent crimes happen within the family.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21715726-it-fits-traditional-values-lawmakers-say-why-russia-about-decriminalise-wife-beating?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/thedumaswaronwomenwhyrussiaisabouttodecriminalisewifebeating

Isn't that one of the "OMG MUSLIMS!" folks' frequent examples -- wife beating?

While loving up Russia for interfering in the election?


You were recently posting on another thread that you love people who beat the fuck out of women. Something like that. It's just kink or whatever.

Why the sudden change




WhoreMods -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 4:42:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

This is different.

Does Russia have a doctrine that has their God tell them, you MUST beat your wife?

NO!

Our Chinese culture traditionally also, wife beating and child beating is acceptable and normal way of life. But because it's not a religion.

We now have changed alot. Also as woman gain more independence, women don't take such shit now.

Because there is no religion promoting wife beating.

Wife beating and children beating is able to be eradicated.

It will be the same for Russia eventually.

But Muslims...., it will never be as it is a REQUIREMENT of their religion.

And I cannot believe this nonsense about "Muslims aren't evil because Russians beat their wife too" Bullshit!


You are aware that there's a shitload of moslems living in Russia, right?




Musicmystery -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 4:58:37 AM)

So, all the Muslims will want to move to Russia, where Putin will help them bring Sharia Law to the US.

About the level of "logic" going around these days.




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 5:29:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So, all the Muslims will want to move to Russia, where Putin will help them bring Sharia Law to the US.

About the level of "logic" going around these days.


That's some pretty desperate reaching. Trump doesn't have anything to do with Putin, quit believing everything you read on the Internet

Why don't you take a break. Unwind some and come back to Earth




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 5:30:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

This is different.

Does Russia have a doctrine that has their God tell them, you MUST beat your wife?

NO!

Our Chinese culture traditionally also, wife beating and child beating is acceptable and normal way of life. But because it's not a religion.

We now have changed alot. Also as woman gain more independence, women don't take such shit now.

Because there is no religion promoting wife beating.

Wife beating and children beating is able to be eradicated.

It will be the same for Russia eventually.

But Muslims...., it will never be as it is a REQUIREMENT of their religion.

And I cannot believe this nonsense about "Muslims aren't evil because Russians beat their wife too" Bullshit!



Yeah, he's gone round the bend.




WhoreMods -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 7:37:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
That's some pretty desperate reaching. Trump doesn't have anything to do with Putin, quit believing everything you read on the Internet

That's pretty rich coming from somebody who's spent the last three months insisting that everything the alternative internet media has to say is far more reliable than the lying liberal bias in the mainstream media.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 11:11:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
The Duma’s war on women:
Why Russia is about to decriminalise wife-beating

Russia is one of three countries in Europe and Central Asia that do not have laws specifically targeting domestic violence. Instead it is treated like other forms of assault, ignoring the fact that spouses and children are more vulnerable than other victims.
Domestic violence has deep cultural roots. An old Russian proverb says: “If he beats you it means he loves you.” “Violence isn’t just a norm, it’s our style of life,” says Alena Popova, an advocate for laws against domestic violence. The scale of the problem is difficult to measure, but according to Russia’s interior ministry, 40% of violent crimes happen within the family.
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21715726-it-fits-traditional-values-lawmakers-say-why-russia-about-decriminalise-wife-beating?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/thedumaswaronwomenwhyrussiaisabouttodecriminalisewifebeating
Isn't that one of the "OMG MUSLIMS!" folks' frequent examples -- wife beating?
While loving up Russia for interfering in the election?


You were recently posting on another thread that you love people who beat the fuck out of women. Something like that. It's just kink or whatever.
Why the sudden change


I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...




tamaka -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 11:58:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
The Duma’s war on women:
Why Russia is about to decriminalise wife-beating

Russia is one of three countries in Europe and Central Asia that do not have laws specifically targeting domestic violence. Instead it is treated like other forms of assault, ignoring the fact that spouses and children are more vulnerable than other victims.
Domestic violence has deep cultural roots. An old Russian proverb says: “If he beats you it means he loves you.” “Violence isn’t just a norm, it’s our style of life,” says Alena Popova, an advocate for laws against domestic violence. The scale of the problem is difficult to measure, but according to Russia’s interior ministry, 40% of violent crimes happen within the family.
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21715726-it-fits-traditional-values-lawmakers-say-why-russia-about-decriminalise-wife-beating?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/thedumaswaronwomenwhyrussiaisabouttodecriminalisewifebeating
Isn't that one of the "OMG MUSLIMS!" folks' frequent examples -- wife beating?
While loving up Russia for interfering in the election?


You were recently posting on another thread that you love people who beat the fuck out of women. Something like that. It's just kink or whatever.
Why the sudden change


I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...



Legally you can't consent to being beaten.




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/27/2017 12:11:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
The Duma’s war on women:
Why Russia is about to decriminalise wife-beating

Russia is one of three countries in Europe and Central Asia that do not have laws specifically targeting domestic violence. Instead it is treated like other forms of assault, ignoring the fact that spouses and children are more vulnerable than other victims.
Domestic violence has deep cultural roots. An old Russian proverb says: “If he beats you it means he loves you.” “Violence isn’t just a norm, it’s our style of life,” says Alena Popova, an advocate for laws against domestic violence. The scale of the problem is difficult to measure, but according to Russia’s interior ministry, 40% of violent crimes happen within the family.
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21715726-it-fits-traditional-values-lawmakers-say-why-russia-about-decriminalise-wife-beating?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/thedumaswaronwomenwhyrussiaisabouttodecriminalisewifebeating
Isn't that one of the "OMG MUSLIMS!" folks' frequent examples -- wife beating?
While loving up Russia for interfering in the election?


You were recently posting on another thread that you love people who beat the fuck out of women. Something like that. It's just kink or whatever.
Why the sudden change


I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...



The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 8:46:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
Legally you can't consent to being beaten.


Really? You're going to make that claim on a BDSM site? Seriously?

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...

The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.


You have every right to a wrong interpretation. I'm going to chalk that up to you partisan perspective of everything.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 8:59:09 AM)

Here is a better article and an Update it will take you 1 minute to read it.

Russian MPs pass bill to soften domestic violence law

Russia's lower house of parliament has passed a bill to decriminalise some forms of domestic violence.

Under the proposed legislation, first-time offenders who do not cause serious injury will face a maximum of 15 days police custody instead of up to two years in jail.

It now needs the approval of the upper house and President Vladimir Putin.

Campaigners say the bill - dubbed the "slapping law" - would mean the "exoneration of tyrants in the home".
The State Duma voted 380-3 for the bill, two days after it passed its second reading.

Lighter penalties
The bill, drafted by MP Olga Batalina, concerns assaults that inflict physical pain but do not cause bodily injury that threatens the victim's health.

It followed a change in the criminal code in July which decriminalised battery against strangers, but made battery within the family a criminal offence.

Conservatives argued that it was unacceptable that parents could therefore face harsher penalties for smacking their children than a neighbour would.

Under the bill, the first offence would be considered administrative rather than criminal and punished with a fine of up to 30,000 rubles (£400; €470), detention of up to 15 days or compulsory community service up to 120 hours.

Assaults causing serious injury or repeat offences within a year would still be criminal offences and carry potential jail terms.

"We want to show that Russian deputies will not allow the same excesses present in Western Europe," said ruling party lawmaker Andrei Isayev, claiming that European children "inform on their parents" in order to get their way, which leads to the parents losing custody.

But MPs from the Communist Party opposed the bill.
"Women don't often go to the police or the courts regarding their abusive husbands, now there will be even fewer such cases, and the number of murders will increase," said lawmaker Yury Sinelshchikov.

On Wednesday, Maria Mokhova, the executive director of the Sisters crisis centre for abuse victims, told Reuters: "This law calls for the exoneration of tyrants in the home.
"The message is: 'Let's not punish a person who at home beat up his family, just because he has the right to do that.'"

Russian interior ministry statistics show that 9,800 women died as a result of a serious assault in 2015, and that a quarter of murders and serious assaults take place in the home.
A petition launched by women's rights activist Alena Popova calling for comprehensive legislation against domestic violence has reached nearly 239,000 signatures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-38767873




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 9:06:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
Legally you can't consent to being beaten.


Really? You're going to make that claim on a BDSM site? Seriously?

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...

The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.


You have every right to a wrong interpretation. I'm going to chalk that up to you partisan perspective of everything.



How is it "partisan" as you say, to read his statement that "You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . " as an endorsement of Muslims beating the fuck out of their women, which that was the subject.

You are just another mindless drooler, as far as I am concerned.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 5:57:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
Legally you can't consent to being beaten.

Really? You're going to make that claim on a BDSM site? Seriously?
quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...

The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.

You have every right to a wrong interpretation. I'm going to chalk that up to you partisan perspective of everything.

How is it "partisan" as you say, to read his statement that "You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . " as an endorsement of Muslims beating the fuck out of their women, which that was the subject.


Because, on a BDSM board, "beating" someone could very easily mean consensual S & M, and not nonconsensual spousal abuse. Thus, your defaulting to the abuse interpretation, with regard to someone you regularly oppose, demonstrates your partisanship.

quote:

You are just another mindless drooler, as far as I am concerned.


Aw, how cute. Name calling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Socrates
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.







tamaka -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 6:08:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
Legally you can't consent to being beaten.


Really? You're going to make that claim on a BDSM site? Seriously?

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoXi
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...

The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.


You have every right to a wrong interpretation. I'm going to chalk that up to you partisan perspective of everything.



Yes i am going to make that claim on a bdsm site because it is true.




BoscoX -> RE: Russia decriminalizes wife beating (1/28/2017 6:35:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
Legally you can't consent to being beaten.

Really? You're going to make that claim on a BDSM site? Seriously?
quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm going to hazard a guess that the pivot point has to do with consent...

The opposite actually. At least, that's how I interpreted his remark.

You have every right to a wrong interpretation. I'm going to chalk that up to you partisan perspective of everything.

How is it "partisan" as you say, to read his statement that "You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . " as an endorsement of Muslims beating the fuck out of their women, which that was the subject.


Because, on a BDSM board, "beating" someone could very easily mean consensual S & M, and not nonconsensual spousal abuse. Thus, your defaulting to the abuse interpretation, with regard to someone you regularly oppose, demonstrates your partisanship.

quote:

You are just another mindless drooler, as far as I am concerned.


Aw, how cute. Name calling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Socrates
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.






You started the name calling, loser, when you referred to me as a "partisan" [:D]

Why would he write that in defense of Islam, under a photo of a Muslim woman who had her flesh whipped off of her. You really are too stupid for words




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