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I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 3:01:06 PM   
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Actually Berke Breathed does...

The truth about trump

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 5:58:39 PM   
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The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 6:46:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?


Refusal to acknowledge isis as islamic terrorist

Inviting a muslim boy and his extremist muslim dad to the whitehouse after he made a replics of a bomb at school

Whitehouse support for Muslims invading our country from a president who many people believed was a muslim

Attempts by the WH to make the people adversarial towards the police

Liberals unrelenting appetite for more and more acceptance of what many people believe to be immoral things

WH taking a position of weakness with other world leaders (bowing so low to Chinese leaders, etc)

... and all of the left wing 'Alternative facts' used to justify the above

Just as a starting point...


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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 6:52:13 PM   
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Actually, I hope Breathed is right...we'd probably be better off if it was aliens. "We'll get us a rich, politically charismatic demagogue and use him...to take over."

Does remind however though as one lecturer speculated, 'The' Rapture IS coming, it's just not going to be anything like you Christians think it is.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 6:52:24 PM   
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When I was growing up, all russians were communists, all blacks were lower than humans, all mexicans were glorified slave labor, and all women should be kept in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

Well all Russians were not communists, and well the rest is pretty much proven false, with the possible exception of the women thing (yes I am being sarcastic.)

Each generation in the United States has to have someone to be afraid of, and since the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has been Muslims, and occasionally the North Koreans.

If you people want to know who is really the monster under the bed or in the closet, I suggest you look in the fucking mirror.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 6:56:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?


Refusal to acknowledge isis as islamic terrorist

Inviting a muslim boy and his extremist muslim dad to the whitehouse after he made a replics of a bomb at school

Whitehouse support for Muslims invading our country from a president who many people believed was a muslim

Attempts by the WH to make the people adversarial towards the police

Liberals unrelenting appetite for more and more acceptance of what many people believe to be immoral things

WH taking a position of weakness with other world leaders (bowing so low to Chinese leaders, etc)

... and all of the left wing 'Alternative facts' used to justify the above

Just as a starting point...



Where have you been living the last 8 years ? Certainly not within eyesight of our current western civilization.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 7:01:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?


Refusal to acknowledge isis as islamic terrorist

Inviting a muslim boy and his extremist muslim dad to the whitehouse after he made a replics of a bomb at school

Whitehouse support for Muslims invading our country from a president who many people believed was a muslim

Attempts by the WH to make the people adversarial towards the police

Liberals unrelenting appetite for more and more acceptance of what many people believe to be immoral things

WH taking a position of weakness with other world leaders (bowing so low to Chinese leaders, etc)

... and all of the left wing 'Alternative facts' used to justify the above

Just as a starting point...




Great examples

Heres another

How about mobs of totalitarian alt left radicals attacking peaceful citizens for gathering together to hear an opposition speech

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 10:25:38 PM   
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When I was growing up, all russians were communists, all blacks were lower than humans, all mexicans were glorified slave labor, and all women should be kept in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

Well all Russians were not communists, and well the rest is pretty much proven false, with the possible exception of the women thing (yes I am being sarcastic.)

Each generation in the United States has to have someone to be afraid of, and since the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has been Muslims, and occasionally the North Koreans.

If you people want to know who is really the monster under the bed or in the closet, I suggest you look in the fucking mirror.



January 21, 2015
The Muslim population of America is expanding at warp speed
By Carol Brown
Even when Muslims are a minority population they can and do transform whole cultures and societies. And not for the better.

Why? Because their holy book is a totalitarian ideology founded on submission and world domination. And toward that end, Islam is on the march. Meanwhile, the West remains mired in cowardice and complicity. Nowhere can this be seen more clearly than in Europe, which is on the fast track to join the Caliphate.

Not to be outdone by Europe’s madness, the United States is traveling down the same bloody path, importing large numbers of Muslims from Islamic countries thanks to the Islamophile sitting in the Oval Office and a nation full of dhimmis.

Estimates on the number of Muslims living in the US vary, ranging from 3 million to 7 million. Whatever the precise number, it’s already outdated as it rises with each passing nanosecond.

Since 9/11, there has been a dramatic uptick in immigration from Islamic countries with a 66% increase in the past decade. And things are just warming up. Islam is now the fastest growing religion in America.

Strange, is it not? War has been waged against America in the name of Islam and we’ve opened our doors ever-wider to those who adhere to the very ideology that mandates our destruction.

Pew Research projects that by 2030, the Muslim population in the United States will more than double. In large part this will be attributable to immigration; to a lesser degree due to the size of Muslim families.

In his book Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam, Peter Hammond wrote a detailed analysis on the proportion of Muslims to the overall population and increased violence and adherence to Sharia law. Hammond’s research reads like a roadmap to ruin; a horrifying picture of the future of civilization. To summarize an oft-quoted section:

When the Muslim population remains at or under 2%, their presence tends to fly low under the radar. In the 2% – 5% range, Muslims begin to seek converts, targeting those they see as disaffected, such as criminals. When the population reaches 5% they exert influence disproportionate to their numbers, becoming more aggressive and pushing for Sharia law. When the population hits the 10% mark Muslims become increasingly lawless and violent. Once the population reaches 20%, there is an increase in rioting, murder, jihad militias, and destruction of non-Muslim places of worship. At 40%, there are “widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare.” Once beyond 50%, infidels and apostates are persecuted, genocide occurs, and Sharia law is implemented. After 80%, intimidation is a daily part of life along with violent jihad and some state-run genocide as the nation purges all infidels. Once the nation has rid itself of all non-Muslims, the presumption is that ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ has been attained – the Islamic House of Peace.

(Peace, of course, is never attained. Schisms among sects, starting with the rift between Shia and Sunni, erupt. The ideal of absolute power with divine authority always leads to internal conflict.)

That the United States is ramping up Muslim immigration is sheer insanity. A crucial step to putting the brakes on this frenzied march to our demise is to close the door to Muslims – whether those from Islamic countries or anywhere else.

Unfortunately, we’re doing the exact opposite.

In the last three years alone, 300,000 Muslims immigrated to the United States. And that’s just the beginning. The Refugee Resettlement Program is paving the way for a mass of Muslims to flock to our shores. With the United Nations in charge of determining who qualifies for refugee status and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (formerly the Organization of the Islamic Conference) as the power broker at the UN, you can count on a flood of Muslim refugees to be arriving at a town near you – if not your own town – soon.

And as one might expect, Obama is on board with any and all avenues to bring Muslims to the United States. I guess it’s part of his dream; our nightmare.

Who can forget the lie he told back in 2009 when he said the United States was one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. Taqiyya? Stupidity? Slip of the tongue? Wishful thinking? Whatever the reason, it appears he is doing everything in his power to make that lie a reality.

Part of the process of flooding this country with Muslims from Islamic countries involves transplanting entire communities from places like Somalia. And just as we see in Europe, the new arrivals don’t assimilate and they live off the public dole.

For example, Family Security Matters reports that Somali immigrants have overwhelmed many small towns in America, creating their own enclaves. In some cases they’ve become the majority population – a population distinguished by being the least educated and most unemployed in the country, with evidence to show some have little motivation to become gainfully employed.

In addition to Muslims from Somalia, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, a new wave has started arriving from Syria. The State Department expects “admissions from Syria to surge in 2015 and beyond.” It is expected that 9,000 or more Syrian refugees will arrive this year with a plan to bring at least 75,000 over the next five years.

And as refugees flow in, our tax dollars flow out as the American tax payer funds the Muslim invasion, because when refugees arrive they are linked with a broad array of publically-funded services (food stamps, subsidized housing, subsidized medical care, tutors, interpreters, and so on). In addition, charities (many of which are Christian or Jewish) that assist refugees receive federal grant money to provide additional support.

And where do these new immigrants from Islamic countries settle once they arrive? Well, just about everywhere and anywhere. The five states with the largest number of refugees are Texas, California, New York, Michigan, and Florida. But the situation is very dynamic and as numbers are updated, demographic shifts occur.

There are also regions of the country that participate in what is called the Preferred Communities Program. The program considers small towns and rural areas to be most suited to refugees and immigrants because small communities are best able to offer the kinds of services this new class of imports need. Or so they claim. And so we’ve got Somali refugees flocking to Cheyenne, Wyoming, in order to get easy-to-come-by Section 8 housing vouchers they take to other states. Those states either pick up the tab, or bill Cheyenne. And Cheyenne is running out of money. Duh.

So much for the taqiyya on the Preferred Communities Program website waxing poetic about the contributions these immigrants make to our society: “Refugees help communities learn and appreciate the many ways newcomers’ talents contribute to a richer, stronger society.”

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Maybe that was the case in another time in America. But not now in the age of multi-culturalism. Not with Muslim refugees with no skills, enormous needs, and a sense of entitlement. Oh, and for some, the desire to kill us.

So why are all of these Muslim refugees coming here anyway? Why aren’t they being taken in by Muslim majority countries? It would certainly make sense. After all, they’re much closer geographically, language barriers would be reduced, and local values and traditions are closer.

That Muslim majority countries have not opened their doors to these refugees is, I am confident, quite by design. This is about conquest. Otherwise known as Hijra, the Islamic doctrine of immigration. Hijra works in concert with violent jihad to overwhelm a society until Islam becomes the single dominant force.

And while Muslim refugees swarm into the United States as part of this conquest, Obama has twisted the knife even further by (1) easing requirements for potential immigrants who have links to “soft” terror, and (2) closing the door to persecuted Christians in the Middle East who have precious few options of where to flee. (Obama is also making it exceedingly difficult for French Jews to immigrate to the United States.) Per Investor’s Business Daily:

In another end-run around Congress, President Obama has unilaterally eased immigration requirements for foreigners linked to terrorism. (snip)

…By exempting five kinds of limited material support for terrorism, Obama instantly purges more than 4,000 suspects from the U.S. terror watch list and opens our borders up to both them and their families. (snip)

At the same time Obama opens the floodgates to them, he's closing our borders to Christians fleeing persecution by Muslims in Egypt, Iraq and other Mideast countries.

Leave it to Obama to make a good situation bad. And then make a bad situation worse. He isn’t satisfied until he’s upped the ante so far imminent danger is at hand.

So we’re importing Muslims from Muslim majority countries who are traumatized, who don’t speak English, who have few skills, who follow the teachings of the Koran, many of whom want to spread Sharia law, some of whom actively support terror, and/or others of whom are or will become terrorists, while we’ve abandoned Christians trapped in the Middle East as they are slaughtered en masse.

To be blunt: We are importing Islamic terror. Not because every Muslim is a terrorist. But because enough of them are. And plenty more who don’t commit acts of terror support it – quietly at home or loudly in the street.

Below is a snapshot of where American Muslims stand on a variety of issues based on polls conducted over the past few years (see here, here, and here):

· 13% agree that some frequency of violence to defend Islam against civilians is justified.

· 19% are either favorable toward Al Qaeda or aren’t sure.

· 40% support Sharia law and believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution.

· 46% believe Americans who mock or criticize Islam should face criminal charges, with 12.5% in support of the death penalty for blasphemers, another 4.3% somewhat agreeing on the death sentence for those who insult Islam, and 9% unsure if the death penalty should apply.

In addition, to name a few additional points of concern among many (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here):

· Mosques are proliferating across the landscape at breakneck speed, 80% of them preach jihad (through sermons and/or materials), and more than 95% of American Muslims attend such mosques.

· Many American Muslims send their children to Islamic schools where they are indoctrinated in hate.

· Many American Muslims have embraced Jew-hatred, as is written in the Koran.

· There are compounds across America where Muslims receive jihad training.

· Our prisons are breeding grounds for jihadists.

· The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated every arm of our government as well as other major institutions.

So all-in-all, there are a lot of Muslims in America who are on board with Islamic law/jihad. It doesn’t matter if all of them are. Enough of them are.

What are we doing?!

We’re carefully planning our suicide, that’s what.

As Michael Walsh wrote at PJ Media: “There is no assimilating invaders who wish to replace your society with theirs, whether they call themselves ‘immigrants,’ ‘refugees’ or ‘asylum-seekers’…When it comes to the soul of a country, there really can be only one.”




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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 11:02:13 PM   
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Have you ever, read the Koran?

If not, you really should, and not just the parts that Islamophobic idiots quote to prove a point.

Seriously.

The extremists that preach the crap that article refers to count for less than 2% of the world Muslim population.

The majority of Muslims that have immigrated to the US in the past 30 years are leaving countries with everything you claim they want simply because they cannot live under those conditions.

And no where in the Koran does the prophet command his followers to take over the world. In fact he goes to extremes to point out that the peoples of the book are to be left unharmed. The people of the book are Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The Islamic rules of war, as set by the prophet condemn killing of women, children, or non-combatants as a cardinal sin, meaning if you do it, you get a one way ticket to hell, no virgins, no paradise, but hell.

The perversions of the words of the prophet as preached by the extremists are not for religious reason, they are seeking power, pure and simple. They do the same thing that Christians do when they want to condemn homosexuality, they pick and choose what verses from the bible that support their agenda, and totally ignore the others that basically tell Christians to leave the judging of people who choose that life to God.

Or the extremist Christian groups that support people who murder abortion doctors and abortion clinic workers, claiming that it is an act of devotion forgivable by god, which it isnt.

The only commandment from the prophet in Islam is that people's in a conquered land be given the opportunity to convert of their own free will, and if they dont, and remain christian or jew, it is no big deal.

During the Moors ruling of Spain, they built not only mosques in territories they controlled, but Cathedrals for the Catholic population. Funny thing to do if the Koran commanded them to either convert heathens or put them to death, dont you think?

And while the Moors were doing that, Christians were hard at work executing and torturing heretics, even before the Protestant Reformation.

Another point that many of the hard line Muslim countries have forgotten, the Prophet said that Sharia law can only be applied to Muslims, not someone from another religion.

Sharia is strictly a religious law, applied to Muslims, according to the Koran.

Finally, more Muslim countries are progressing, albeit slowly, from the strictness of Sharia law in every criminal case to less draconian legal systems.

It is my opinion that what we are seeing in the Muslim world today is the same thing as the Christian world went through following the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic church was doing everything in its power to force people to return to the 'true' church and the inquisition and heretic trials were a direct result. Wars were fought over this issue.

What you and others who are preaching that Islamophibic crap fail to realize is the the majority of violence condoned by these extremist groups in the middle east are against other Muslims.

Sunni are killing Shia (the two largest sects) and then you have the violence against he Sufi, Baha'is and Ahmadiyyas.

The main reason that the Western countries are targeted by Islamic terrorists is our countries continued support of Israel's expansion into the occupied territories and even when we condemn those programs, nothing comes of it, we still supply advanced weapon systems to Israel who in turn use them against terrorist enclaves knowing full well that the majority of people killed in the retaliation attacks are non combatants.

You want the US to not be a target, then we need to tell our government to treat Israel the same way we treat every other country that blows the shit out of civilians to make a point, sanctions and worse.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/27/2017 11:49:44 PM   
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I'm really torn about this part. I identify myself as a liberal, but there ARE some things you aren't saying.


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The main reason that the Western countries are targeted by Islamic terrorists is our countries continued support of Israel's expansion into the occupied territories and even when we condemn those programs, nothing comes of it, we still supply advanced weapon systems to Israel who in turn use them against terrorist enclaves knowing full well that the majority of people killed in the retaliation attacks are non combatants.


You can call it "occupied territories" but it's part of Israel, and has been for 50 years. Israel was under imminent threat by Egypt. To keep from being rolled over, Israel attacked first. Egypt, a much larger country than Israel, convinced Syria and Jordan to attack Israel without provocation. Israel kicked the sh*t out of all three countries and took part of their land during the war. When the war was over, Israel stayed on that land, claiming it, correctly, as the spoils of war. They've since given part, but not all, of it back. Israel's very existance had been threatened. They had not started the fight. The Egyptians massed forces directly on the Israeli border was clear evidence of their intent to invade Israel. The captured land was Israel's, by right, and they kept some of it, including the part which they had been denied access to (their holiest sites) by the Muslims. Everyone who doesn't like that fact can build a bridge and get over it. I don't see any of the Muslim countries sacrificing part of their land to allow the Palestinians to create their own country. Why expect Israel to? If the Palestinians don't like living under Israeli rule, they can move. Many of them did, at the time. Those who stayed are responsible for their own situation.

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You want the US to not be a target, then we need to tell our government to treat Israel the same way we treat every other country that blows the shit out of civilians to make a point, sanctions and worse.


The one problem with that is that the terrorists fire missiles into Israeli cities, killing Israeli women and children. They do this without care or conscience. Then, they hide among their own women and children, so any retaliation from Israel almost certainly kills non-combatants. If they don't want their own women and children killed, let them stay in military camps like men, and not hide behind their women and children like cowards.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 12:44:37 AM   
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One problem with your argument, that most people who do not understand history, is that the UN allowed Israel to 'occupy' those areas as a BUFFER zone between them and the Arabic countries that were a threat.

Now a buffer zone is termed as any stretch of territory that has no civilian facilities in them, so that any and all military action has a negligible chance to inflict civilian casualties.

The buffer zone was the original justification by Israel for not pulling out of those areas.

And the biggest part of the settlements involve evicting people who have lived on the land for decades, even before Israel took it.

So, basically, the Israeli government has pretty much thrown its Constitution in the trash, at least the part about 'equal protection under the law for all citizens."

As far as Hezbollah and Hamas rocket attacks, having experienced them first hand, I completely understand the wanting to retaliate, however, considering the Israeli army has the best trained spec ops units in the world, capable of surgical strikes or even capable of getting close enough to a target to paint it for a smart bomb to hit with MINIMUM civilian casualties....

Think about it this way, the Israeli military has the capability for damn near pinpoint accuracy on a target and op for artillery barrages that are basically the "Kill everyone in the general area."

To be blunt, the Israeli government has, over the last 20 years, done nothing to give anyone in the region a reason to pull back from terrorist attacks and everything to piss off everyone.

And the western countries, who have threatened sanctions and military action against nations for similar actions basically do absolutely nothing more than verbal condemnations of the acts.

Those types of actions were the justification for military action by NATO in the Balkan conflicts, one of the reasons Bush gave for invading Iraq, and yet when it comes to Israel, we do nothing.

Now, look at it from the point of view of the people that protest against the US and Western countries, as well as those who are willing to conduct terrorist operations against the US.

We are basically using a double standard.

Until the US and everyone else holds Israel to the same standards as we hold other countries, we will continue to be a target.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 1:26:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Have you ever, read the Koran?

If not, you really should, and not just the parts that Islamophobic idiots quote to prove a point.

Seriously.

The extremists that preach the crap that article refers to count for less than 2% of the world Muslim population.

The majority of Muslims that have immigrated to the US in the past 30 years are leaving countries with everything you claim they want simply because they cannot live under those conditions.

And no where in the Koran does the prophet command his followers to take over the world. In fact he goes to extremes to point out that the peoples of the book are to be left unharmed. The people of the book are Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The Islamic rules of war, as set by the prophet condemn killing of women, children, or non-combatants as a cardinal sin, meaning if you do it, you get a one way ticket to hell, no virgins, no paradise, but hell.

The perversions of the words of the prophet as preached by the extremists are not for religious reason, they are seeking power, pure and simple. They do the same thing that Christians do when they want to condemn homosexuality, they pick and choose what verses from the bible that support their agenda, and totally ignore the others that basically tell Christians to leave the judging of people who choose that life to God.

Or the extremist Christian groups that support people who murder abortion doctors and abortion clinic workers, claiming that it is an act of devotion forgivable by god, which it isnt.

The only commandment from the prophet in Islam is that people's in a conquered land be given the opportunity to convert of their own free will, and if they dont, and remain christian or jew, it is no big deal.

During the Moors ruling of Spain, they built not only mosques in territories they controlled, but Cathedrals for the Catholic population. Funny thing to do if the Koran commanded them to either convert heathens or put them to death, dont you think?

And while the Moors were doing that, Christians were hard at work executing and torturing heretics, even before the Protestant Reformation.

Another point that many of the hard line Muslim countries have forgotten, the Prophet said that Sharia law can only be applied to Muslims, not someone from another religion.

Sharia is strictly a religious law, applied to Muslims, according to the Koran.

Finally, more Muslim countries are progressing, albeit slowly, from the strictness of Sharia law in every criminal case to less draconian legal systems.

It is my opinion that what we are seeing in the Muslim world today is the same thing as the Christian world went through following the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic church was doing everything in its power to force people to return to the 'true' church and the inquisition and heretic trials were a direct result. Wars were fought over this issue.

What you and others who are preaching that Islamophibic crap fail to realize is the the majority of violence condoned by these extremist groups in the middle east are against other Muslims.

Sunni are killing Shia (the two largest sects) and then you have the violence against he Sufi, Baha'is and Ahmadiyyas.

The main reason that the Western countries are targeted by Islamic terrorists is our countries continued support of Israel's expansion into the occupied territories and even when we condemn those programs, nothing comes of it, we still supply advanced weapon systems to Israel who in turn use them against terrorist enclaves knowing full well that the majority of people killed in the retaliation attacks are non combatants.

You want the US to not be a target, then we need to tell our government to treat Israel the same way we treat every other country that blows the shit out of civilians to make a point, sanctions and worse.




now stop fucking up their little psychodrama with facts.

what you have stirring up the shit, deep in still waters is the same slimy scourge of the earth political party that has been successfully setting religions against each other over the course of the last 250 years.




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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 2:58:14 AM   
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The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?


Hillary Clinton.

T^T

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:23:07 AM   
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OK. Now that she's gone, what's today's excuse?

Or are you all suffering from post traumatic Clinton syndrome?

I didn't vote for her either, but FFS man.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:31:43 AM   
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The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?

Some symptoms are severe and dangerous enough to require treating, even if doing so won't solve the initial cause of the illness. There are plenty of diseases that'll kill you dead if their symptoms aren't treated, after all. There's a fair few (ebola and influenza both spring to mind) where treating the symptoms and hoping that the patient will overcome the problem on their own if the symptoms don't kill them is all that can be done.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:32:48 AM   
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Don't let the metaphor lead you away from the point.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:38:44 AM   
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The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?


pompous clueless elitist. YOU are the reason for getting trump here.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:41:36 AM   
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The thing is -- Trump is a symptom. What happened to scoop out those who helped get him there?



9/11 2001
2003...the war in iraq built on lies.
losing that war got people paranoid. manufactured lies by the rich giving rise to hatred and fear based on lies.
the crash of 2008, orchestrated by the corporations and banks.
A black democrat,
In america, puritanism and nationalism hate goes thru generations even in the face of facts and information.
oh dumb people scared of the truth and blaming the wrong people for their own ignorance.See for example outsourcing to other countries and banking the profits destroying wages and peoples lives. Its not the mexicans faults, its american companies, and it was going on way before Obama....tell me aqain why, before the crash jobs were lost at 800,000 a month...


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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:42:13 AM   
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Thank you for your carefully reasoned response.

Maybe huddle with Greta, tamika, RO and Bozo -- people on your own level.

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RE: I have the answer! - 1/28/2017 5:43:59 AM   
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Don't let the metaphor lead you away from the point.

I wasn't, I just extended the metaphor to point out that mere symptoms often need dealing with, and can sometimes be corrected when their underlying causes can't. That is a relevant point to el presidente, I'd have thought.

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