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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:38:33 PM   
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Islam is a dangerous political ideology hiding behind the mask of a religion. To allow that to grow in our country would be a complete betrayal of American values and totally undermine our Constitution.


Okay, since you believe this so strongly and you're unwilling to change your mind, what do you think should happen to the Muslim refugees?

So is Christianity.

Do these people know there's a New Testament?


No... christianity isn't. And we've discussed this before.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:42:49 PM   
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Islam is a dangerous political ideology hiding behind the mask of a religion. To allow that to grow in our country would be a complete betrayal of American values and totally undermine our Constitution.


Okay, since you believe this so strongly and you're unwilling to change your mind, what do you think should happen to the Muslim refugees?


Re- education camps.

Mao Zedong can give you some great tips for that.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:43:35 PM   
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Re- education camps.


And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:46:38 PM   
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Re- education camps.


And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?


It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:52:02 PM   
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Since Christianity has come up in the thread, folks might be interested in a leading U.S. cardinal's statement on the ban.

Excerpts below.

This weekend proved to be a dark moment in U.S. history. The executive order to turn away refugees and to close our nation to those, particularly Muslims, fleeing violence, oppression and persecution is contrary to both Catholic and American values.

* * *

These actions impose a sweeping and immediate halt on migrants and refugees from several countries, people who are suffering, fleeing for their lives. Their design and implementation have been rushed, chaotic, cruel and oblivious to the realities that will produce enduring security for the United States.

* * *

The United States has a long history of welcoming refugees who are fleeing for their lives and Catholic organizations have helped to resettle many families, men, women, and children, from around the globe. Many of our priests, religious and laypeople have accompanied newcomers precisely to assist them in this process. Because of our history of aiding in refugee and migrant settlement for decades, we know the very lengthy and thorough vetting process they must face before they are admitted to our country. We have seen initial fear turn into a generous willingness of local communities to accept and integrate refugees. Here in Chicago generations of migrants have found a new home. We are better for it.

* * *

The world is watching as we abandon our commitments to American values. These actions give aid and comfort to those who would destroy our way of life.


https://www.archchicago.org/statements/-/asset_publisher/a2jOvEeHcvDT/content/statement-statement-of-cardinal-blase-j-cupich-archbishop-of-chicago-on-the-executive-order-on-refugees-and-migrants

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:55:50 PM   
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Re- education camps.


And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?


So.. genocide then?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:56:54 PM   
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Since Christianity has come up in the thread, folks might be interested in a leading U.S. cardinal's statement on the ban.

Excerpts below.

This weekend proved to be a dark moment in U.S. history. The executive order to turn away refugees and to close our nation to those, particularly Muslims, fleeing violence, oppression and persecution is contrary to both Catholic and American values.

* * *

These actions impose a sweeping and immediate halt on migrants and refugees from several countries, people who are suffering, fleeing for their lives. Their design and implementation have been rushed, chaotic, cruel and oblivious to the realities that will produce enduring security for the United States.

* * *

The United States has a long history of welcoming refugees who are fleeing for their lives and Catholic organizations have helped to resettle many families, men, women, and children, from around the globe. Many of our priests, religious and laypeople have accompanied newcomers precisely to assist them in this process. Because of our history of aiding in refugee and migrant settlement for decades, we know the very lengthy and thorough vetting process they must face before they are admitted to our country. We have seen initial fear turn into a generous willingness of local communities to accept and integrate refugees. Here in Chicago generations of migrants have found a new home. We are better for it.

* * *

The world is watching as we abandon our commitments to American values. These actions give aid and comfort to those who would destroy our way of life.


https://www.archchicago.org/statements/-/asset_publisher/a2jOvEeHcvDT/content/statement-statement-of-cardinal-blase-j-cupich-archbishop-of-chicago-on-the-executive-order-on-refugees-and-migrants


What the fuck do i care what some fucked up Catholic cardinal thinks? He believes a lot of things that are insane too.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:59:01 PM   
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Re- education camps.


And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?

So.. genocide then?



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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:59:42 PM   
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Re- education camps.


And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?


So.. genocide then?


Would you give a stranger one of your kidneys?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:12:22 PM   
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Re- education camps.

And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?

So.. genocide then?

Would you give a stranger one of your kidneys?


How is that in any way a fair analogy?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:16:24 PM   
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Re- education camps.

And when they inevitably refuse to simply abandon their beliefs?

It's quite a mess Mohammad created, isn't it?

So.. genocide then?

Would you give a stranger one of your kidneys?


How is that in any way a fair analogy?

Well you only need 1 right? So would you take a risk that you could save someone else with a gamble on your own way of life? Because that is what the US is doing by taking Muslims that follow a cancerous political ideology into our country.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:42:10 PM   
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Friends in various cities have posted signs from today's rallies. Two particularly moved me.

Image uploading seems to have gone away, so I'll have to make due with the text.


Carried by a veteran:
My Muslim friends kept me safe as I served America.

* * *

Jews and Armenians reject the Muslim Ban.
We've both seen this before.


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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 10:50:02 PM   
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Oh, just for everyone's education....

A would be terrorist, who happens to be a 77 year old grandmother, is being detained at DFW airport under Trump's executive order.

Lets see...

She is Muslim
She came to the states from Iraq
She is 77 years old with health issues, namely a severe heart condition.

Yup, major terrorist threat here.

So we have a grandmother being detained in a facility that is not equipped or set up to keep people over any extended period, let alone hold anyone with any kind of serious health condition, and should she have a heart attack, due to procedures, she would probably be dead before first EMTs could actually get to her to do any good.

All thanks to Trumps broad ban on Muslims coming to the US.

Does anyone see a problem with this situation?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 10:54:29 PM   
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So we have a grandmother being detained in a facility that is not equipped or set up to keep people over any extended period, let alone hold anyone with any kind of serious health condition, and should she have a heart attack, due to procedures, she would probably be dead before first EMTs could actually get to her to do any good.

Not to mention the five-year-old torn from his mom, the detainees denied their medications, the CBP's defiance of a federal judge's order to allow detainees to meet with counsel . . . .

Trump has given our enemies the best propaganda/recruiting tool they've had in ages.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 11:06:02 PM   
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I said...

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yes and how many terrorists came from those seven countries....??????

your answer was to give me VWP info.
I didnt ask the choice, or the reason. I asked how many terrorist came from those countries.
NONE
SO go fuck yourself bozo, keep trying the goal post widening and you keep getting laughed at.
get some of your credibility back for gods sake.
you are channelling sanitys bullshit.

Oh I see. You weren't questioning the choice of those countries. That's a good one.

This article seems to explain it.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

Thanks. I was wondering how they picked those countries.

K.



If you were honest, you would have posted my entire quote, because it included a link that explained more than what you "didnt know"
As you didnt I will post it again, IN FULL

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yes and how many terrorists came from those seven countries....??????
Not forgetting the refugees.
Thank gawd for the aclu

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4995009


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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/30/2017 5:32:44 AM   
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So we have a grandmother being detained in a facility that is not equipped or set up to keep people over any extended period, let alone hold anyone with any kind of serious health condition, and should she have a heart attack, due to procedures, she would probably be dead before first EMTs could actually get to her to do any good.

Not to mention the five-year-old torn from his mom, the detainees denied their medications, the CBP's defiance of a federal judge's order to allow detainees to meet with counsel . . . .

Trump has given our enemies the best propaganda/recruiting tool they've had in ages.


Obama gave our enemies Libya, Syria, half of Iraq, bows, billions in cash, nukes and missiles, plus plenty to propagandize

(Nice snake tears btw)

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/30/2017 5:35:53 AM   
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So we have a grandmother being detained in a facility that is not equipped or set up to keep people over any extended period, let alone hold anyone with any kind of serious health condition, and should she have a heart attack, due to procedures, she would probably be dead before first EMTs could actually get to her to do any good.

Not to mention the five-year-old torn from his mom, the detainees denied their medications, the CBP's defiance of a federal judge's order to allow detainees to meet with counsel . . . .

Trump has given our enemies the best propaganda/recruiting tool they've had in ages.


You freaks can't provide links? What's the problem, are you pushing fake news again. Or what?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/30/2017 5:37:02 AM   
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You freaks can't provide links? What's the problem, are you pushing fake news again. Or what?

Do you have any idea how utterly pathetic that sounds coming from you?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/30/2017 5:37:37 AM   
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No... christianity isn't. And we've discussed this before.



When they've ran out of other lies they pull that one out

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/30/2017 5:46:24 AM   
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So we have a grandmother being detained in a facility that is not equipped or set up to keep people over any extended period, let alone hold anyone with any kind of serious health condition, and should she have a heart attack, due to procedures, she would probably be dead before first EMTs could actually get to her to do any good.

Not to mention the five-year-old torn from his mom, the detainees denied their medications, the CBP's defiance of a federal judge's order to allow detainees to meet with counsel . . . .

Trump has given our enemies the best propaganda/recruiting tool they've had in ages.


Obama gave our enemies Libya, Syria, half of Iraq, bows, billions in cash, nukes and missiles, plus plenty to propagandize

(Nice snake tears btw)

Well no, libya was given up when the nutsucker st. wrinklemeat slinked away like the fucking cowardly rat he was when 241 marines were killed. Syria will be given away by Il Douche to the Russians. Iran was given away when st wrinklemeat gave them WMD.

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