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Genocide then

Yes

36% (4)

Maybe there is room for doubt about ALL muslims

27% (3)

Total Votes : 11

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jlf1961 -> Genocide then (1/29/2017 8:20:47 PM)
Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

BamaD -> RE: Genocide then (1/29/2017 8:27:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. And, of course, that is wrong. There is no group where everyone is good or bad unless the group is determined by one action. On the other hand we have to be careful of each Muslim until we can verify which they are.

jlf1961 -> RE: Genocide then (1/29/2017 8:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. And, of course, that is wrong. There is no group where everyone is good or bad unless the group is determined by one action. On the other hand we have to be careful of each Muslim until we can verify which they are. Ah, but there is a large number of people who are making the claim that ALL muslims are guilty of terrorism or would be terrorists given half the chance, therefore the only logical way to prevent this is genocide.... Or the "kill em all and let god sort em out" theory of problem solving.

tamaka -> RE: Genocide then (1/29/2017 8:42:46 PM)
It's not that they are all terrorists but they are all carriers of an ideology that is counter to western values and is condusive to terrorism.

BamaD -> RE: Genocide then (1/29/2017 8:49:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. And, of course, that is wrong. There is no group where everyone is good or bad unless the group is determined by one action. On the other hand we have to be careful of each Muslim until we can verify which they are. Ah, but there is a large number of people who are making the claim that ALL muslims are guilty of terrorism or would be terrorists given half the chance, therefore the only logical way to prevent this is genocide.... Or the "kill em all and let god sort em out" theory of problem solving. I know, and I know they are wrong. There are as many people who say that only a bigot sees any danger from Islamic extremists, they are just as wrong.

jlf1961 -> RE: Genocide then (1/29/2017 10:12:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka It's not that they are all terrorists but they are all carriers of an ideology that is counter to western values and is condusive to terrorism. I hate to tell you this, but ANY ideology can be screwed around to be conducive to terrorism, or have you forgotten anti abortion Christians who have twisted the bible around to condone bombing of abortion clinics, murdering of abortion doctors and abortion clinic workers, killing of homosexuals, killing of African Americans.... Or in Ireland, Catholics killing protestants and vice versa.... In the Balkans, the bible was twisted around to support this thing called 'ethnic cleansing.' In other words, what you are saying is that it is not the 1.8% of the total Muslim population on the planet that is following some perverted form of the religion that has been twisted by would be holy men to condone doing every thing the prophet told them NOT to do. FYI, the infidels that Mohammad was referring to, the thing that has been twisted by those leaders, were not then, nor ever meant to be Christians and Jews, they were referring to the same people that Jesus said should be killed if they cannot be converted, the believers of false gods, you know, idol worshipers, like the people in polytheistic religions. But hey, whatever floats your boat toots. It sounds good to quote the same fucked up bullshit that these so called Imams are quoting to justify killing innocent people, to justify bombing the shit out of innocent people, which then creates a breeding ground for more young men and women to be converted into blowing themselves up killing innocent people.... Catching a cycle here? The United States may not be a "christian' government, in fact we have gone to great lengths to keep church and state separate, except that every oath of office taken, unless the one taking it opts to use the alternative wording, ends with "So Help Me God." Our money has "In god we trust." And, since we basically believe in the same god as Muslims and Jews, when we send our planes and cruise missiles to hit targets that mean taking out some innocent civilians, we kind of promote the 'godless infidel' thing. You know, the people that pay lip service to believing in a god, like the Christians that hit church on Sunday morning or just the holidays, and spend the rest of the week breaking every damn commandment they can get away with? Or lets put it another way. You are playing with your kids in a park when suddenly the world erupts in a ball of flame and big explosions, and when the smoke clears, everyone you care about are either dead and or wounded. Now the country that just did that with their cruise missiles has "In god we trust" or "under god" plastered all over their currency, founding documents, etc. And they did this to get some bastard that might have been hiding in your neighborhood. Who the fuck are you going to blame for those dead and maimed friends and family, the bastard they tried to kill with a one ton warhead, or the people that condoned using the damn missile in the first place? For the last 40 some odd years, every time the US has retaliated for some terrorist attack, we have done so with bombs, missiles and whatever ordinance that would keep the bulk of our military out of harms way. When the F111's hit Libya in 1986 because of Qaddafi's firing on an American ship, we hit the buildings we were targeting, and in the process killed about a thousand Libyans who had no more to do with what their military did as they had to do with you scratching your ass because of a mosquito bite. Yeah, they knew the dictator running the country was ultimately to blame, but they also grasped that the US could have handled the situation other than sending 4 squadrons of bombers to hit solitary buildings. And to top it off, we didnt kill the son of a bitch we were trying to. Ever heard the term using a shot gun to kill a fly? The US and other western nations has done more to aid the creation and recruitment of terrorists than we have done to stop it. "Your loved ones were killed by the great Satan in the US, who does not care about you or the family members they killed with their bombs and rockets. They tried to kill one man and in not killing them, killed innocent women and children." "they are not at war with <insert leader name> they are at war with you, they want you exterminated." Not hard to convince someone of that who may be 13 and just buried his entire family killed in an American air strike, do you agree? You will kill the fly, but there is a damn good chance you are going to fuck up a lot of shit in the process. Think about that. Not that Fox news or any other news outlet in the US is going to stop and say, "you know, if we would have handled things differently..." Not a single one of you people are willing to admit that the US has killed more Muslims in retaliatory strikes since the Reagan years than all the terrorist attacks against American citizens. I mean hell, we are probably leading them 5 or 600 to one in body count. I dont know about you, but it sure as hell might piss me off.

BoscoX -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 6:09:09 AM)
The only one using the genocide card is you. President Trump wants to crush ISIS and any others who are causing any refugee crisis, and keep those who can "self-radicalize" out. That that means all of them isn't on us, it's on them Their book demands that they kill us. It's their book, no one elses. The issue with them is theirs alone If they commit their daily atrocities because of us, why do they commit acts of terror (as Mohammad taught) against African villages etc. Against Sikhs in India, against a discotheque in Bali Want me to list their acts of terror in the last month again, because it takes up a lot of space - and only a tiny fraction includes Americans Get a clue, moron - they kill to please Allah. It has very little to do with Reagan or Trump or any other American president All they need for their propaganda is this website, or any other example of what they consider our "depraved' society The way our women dress at the beach, or even in malls That's ALL they need

mnottertail -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 6:15:10 AM)
So, Il Douche is crushing ISIS by unconstitutionally seizing people running away from their tor ture? Do all nutsuckers eat retard felch for breakfast? I know you do.

jlf1961 -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 6:38:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX The only one using the genocide card is you. President Trump wants to crush ISIS and any others who are causing any refugee crisis, and keep those who can "self-radicalize" out. That that means all of them isn't on us, it's on them Their book demands that they kill us. It's their book, no one elses. The issue with them is theirs alone If they commit their daily atrocities because of us, why do they commit acts of terror (as Mohammad taught) against African villages etc. Against Sikhs in India, against a discotheque in Bali Want me to list their acts of terror in the last month again, because it takes up a lot of space - and only a tiny fraction includes Americans Get a clue, moron - they kill to please Allah. It has very little to do with Reagan or Trump or any other American president All they need for their propaganda is this website, or any other example of what they consider our "depraved' society The way our women dress at the beach, or even in malls That's ALL they need Again, have you actually read the entire Koran? Do you know anything about the religion other than what the shit heads at Fox news and Islamophobic conservative talking heads tell you? Considering the crap you are spouting, I very seriously doubt you have an education past sophomore in high school. Stop parroting every Islamophobic spin doctor quote and actually use your brain for something besides a spacer to keep your ears apart. Everything you have spouted about Muslims has been said about Communists, Japanese and any other group that the US some political party needed to set up as some fucking Monster. Your own words, "Muslims are taught to kill non-Muslims" basically sets up one, and ONLY one solution, the total eradication of the Islamic faith. History has proven every thing you have said as being bullshit. During his war to free Mecca for the faithful, Mohammad had a commander and troops executed for killing unarmed women and children, which runs contradictory to what you are claiming was his teachings. The crap being spouted as "his teachings" are parts of the Koran taken out of context by some Muslim holy man over a hundred years after his death to use to justify the murder of Muslims who refused to accept the Caliph at the time. You know, kind of like when fundamentalist Christians pick and choose bible verses to justify killing abortion doctors, abortion clinic workers, gays, at least in recent years... Before that the teachings of the bible was used to justify having Africans as slaves, or killing freed slaves after the civil war, and is still used by white supremacists to justify racism in the modern America. Get a clue, you can take any religious text, including the writings of Buddha to justify mass murder, in fact one Japanese cult leader did just that to get his followers to release saran gas in Tokyo subways. The fact that you are too dense to think for yourself is nothing more than the proof that Americans do not think for themselves. Christ if they did half the politicians in Washington would be out of a job, republican and democrat. And, for the record, killing innocents is no more pleasing to Allah as it is for God, Jehovah or the flying spaghetti monster. If you actually read the Koran for yourself you would know this. And considering that in another thread, I explained the basis for the Muslim extremists actions today, which is by no way anything near what 1.6 BILLION Muslims alive believe, because, to be quite honest, if it was, the world would be truly fucked. You did, however, point out one truth, ISIS is killing people, however you neglected to admit that they are killing Christians, Jews, Muslims who refuse to accept their idea of the true faith, Kurds, ethnic Turks, and any other poor slob that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now, do the math, if 1.6 Billion people believed that killing for Allah would get them a seat in heaven as strongly as you claim they do, and that if they want to get into heaven they have to kill non Muslims to do it, do you really think that the rest of the world would stand a chance? Oh, wait, I am asking you to think for yourself.... something that clearly you do not have the capability to do.... And I was not the first to ask if genocide was the solution, someone else did in direct response to the "All Muslims believe _____"

Real0ne -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 7:24:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. exterminating ? which useage? 1917 or 2017? 1917 not so bad, 2017 we could try to ressurect Churchill and Eisenhower, they were good at it.

WhoreMods -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 7:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. exterminating ? which useage? 1917 or 2017? 1917 not so bad, 2017 we could try to ressurect Churchill and Eisenhower, they were good at it. They didn't manage the six to eleven million dead civilians your boy Hitler exterminated between them.

BoscoX -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 9:19:28 AM)
[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_1XEhWcAA4G60.jpg[/image] Your mind is like a sieve You blather on mindlessly about so many things that I have previously addressed at length and have already proven to be ignorance and lies your part, and for that reason I have no patience for you. For example, you claim that Muslims would have torn us asunder already if that were their plan Idiot, I pointed to the fact that the Muslims (led by the Ottomans) lost the jihad they declared on us during WW I, and that most Muslims live where everyone else who isn't exactly like them has already been slaughtered Wherever diversity still exists in their midst there is bloodshed, mass murder and acts of terror, again and again. I have proven that, I have posted partial lists of terror attacks which are mind boggling in number, because violence is an intrinsic part of their cult. It is the means they have used to destroy every other people who they have come across up until those points in time they met a superior army Time after time after time after time throughout their bloody history And when they meet superior forces they lie about being the religion of peace so they can grow their numbers, and master the new technology of the latest resistant infidel Even as they are laying low biding their time acts of terror STILL occur wherever they are, they cannot help themselves. That's not to mention the draconian laws in Muslim-controlled lands which routinely outlaw diversity because the Koran demands that too You blame their bloodthirsty habits on America, I point to acts of terror wherever they are that involve no Americans and your only response is to question my education and my reading list, as if that is a relevant rebuttal. I post the parts of the Koran that demand violence of them and you have no answer for that either, except to lash out and start mindlessly going on about the communists and the Japanese, which are totally irrelevant to anything that I have posted You cannot debate logically, and I will not engage with a mindless blowhard like you at any length except to rub your face in your ignorance now and then, so I and others can have an occasional laugh at your mindless stupidity

bounty44 -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 9:39:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Again, have you actually read the entire Koran? Do you know anything about the religion other than what the shit heads at Fox news and Islamophobic conservative talking heads tell you? im going to ask two things: one is, take each and every one of those quotes from the Koran that bosco listed on another thread, and explain how each and every one is "taken out of context." those were your words if I remember rightly. not just one or three, but all of them. or if not "out of context" then at least "not applicable." next, pray tell exactly what is fox news (oh no comrades!) telling bosco about islam? never mind that you cannot make a definitive connection between fox news (oh no comrades!) and his news/commentary viewing habits, i'll just settle for a very lengthy collection of fox news (oh no...ah you get the idea!) utterances on the matter of islam that are consistent with your premise of that they are "shitheads" and are in error over what they are saying. mind you there are dozens of personalities on fox news. so I would think a good sampling would be a large handful. and since this has been going on for years, you shouldn't have too much of a problem, if you are actually stating your case from personal knowledge and experience with fox, as opposed to typical naïve liberal fox-bashing, finding many dozens of such things. again, not one or three, but dozens. good luck.

Awareness -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 9:41:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight. Jeff, as usual, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Genocide is what Muslims TEACH, not what people are proposing to do to them. You've got things backward again. The Muslims want to EXTERMINATE the Jews, not the other way around. Ah, you silly old duffer.

Awareness -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 9:44:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX You cannot debate logically, and I will not engage with a mindless blowhard like you at any length except to rub your face in your ignorance now and then, so I and others can have an occasional laugh at your mindless stupidity Well said. His ignorance is FUCKING tedious.

jlf1961 -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 10:09:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX [image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_1XEhWcAA4G60.jpg[/image] Your mind is like a sieve You blather on mindlessly about so many things that I have previously addressed at length and have already proven to be ignorance and lies your part, and for that reason I have no patience for you. For example, you claim that Muslims would have torn us asunder already if that were their plan Idiot, I pointed to the fact that the Muslims (led by the Ottomans) lost the jihad they declared on us during WW I, and that most Muslims live where everyone else who isn't exactly like them has already been slaughtered Wherever diversity still exists in their midst there is bloodshed, mass murder and acts of terror, again and again. I have proven that, I have posted partial lists of terror attacks which are mind boggling in number, because violence is an intrinsic part of their cult. It is the means they have used to destroy every other people who they have come across up until those points in time they met a superior army Time after time after time after time throughout their bloody history And when they meet superior forces they lie about being the religion of peace so they can grow their numbers, and master the new technology of the latest resistant infidel Even as they are laying low biding their time acts of terror STILL occur wherever they are, they cannot help themselves. That's not to mention the draconian laws in Muslim-controlled lands which routinely outlaw diversity because the Koran demands that too You blame their bloodthirsty habits on America, I point to acts of terror wherever they are that involve no Americans and your only response is to question my education and my reading list, as if that is a relevant rebuttal. I post the parts of the Koran that demand violence of them and you have no answer for that either, except to lash out and start mindlessly going on about the communists and the Japanese, which are totally irrelevant to anything that I have posted You cannot debate logically, and I will not engage with a mindless blowhard like you at any length except to rub your face in your ignorance now and then, so I and others can have an occasional laugh at your mindless stupidity First, Voltair renounced his play and statements against Islam in A Treatise on Tolerance, something you would have known had you actually done any real research, attended something other than a high school or actually thought to read something other than some Islamophobic propaganda. Prior to that, in 1751, he wrote "Essay on the Manners of Nations" in which he praised Muhammad, Confucius, and Zoroaster as the greatest lawmakers in history. You might want to buy a copy of each from Amazon, since your quote shows little more than ignorance of the subject, blind ignorance of the source material, and complete ignorance of proper research. In other words, you basically shot yourself in the foot (or ass) since Voltair is required reading in any Humanities major, since philosophy is a major requirement for a degree in History. Second, your statement the Ottoman's declared war on us, is flawed at best, the Ottoman empire was Turk first, Muslim second (you really should learn to distinguish the two) and the war was declared NOT by the Ottoman empire, but by Germany, in direct response to the assassination of Duke Ferdinand, and was in no way a "declared Jihad." You might also benefit in researching the status of the Ottoman empire at the outset of WW1, since it was referred to as the "sick Man of Europe" was in decline at the outset of the war. The Ottoman empire had tied its hopes on resurgence on its stronger Ally, Germany. Of course all of this information is available in a High School world history class, unless of course you were in special education, in which case you were probably still reading the Dick and Jane books. But, on the off hand chance you actually do have a decent education and ability to learn, I suggest the following reading list: A History of the Great War: World War One and the International Crisis of the Early Twentieth Century Eric Dorn Brose A Treatise on Tolerance by Voltair Essay on the Manners of Nations by Voltair Lawrence in Arabia: War, Deceit, Imperial Folly and the Making of the Modern Middle East by Scott Anderson (this gives a good account of why Muslims were a bit pissed off at the west, since England did promise to help them over throw the Ottoman Empire and get their freedom.) Of course, this all depends on your ability to accept the truth, and not the bullshit that you swill down like a wino and cheap wine. As I said, I have a masters in history, and so far, you have proved you have a masters at swallowing anti islamic propaganda used to promote bigotry, prejudice and justification for breaking the constitution and international laws and treaties. But, a piece of advice: Before you quote some philosopher or scholar on ANY topic, you might want to check and see if they had changed their opinion after the quote supporting your position. If they did, it makes you look like a fucking moron when you stand by the quote.

BoscoX -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 11:10:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 First, Voltair renounced his play and statements against Islam in A Treatise on Tolerance, something you would have known had you actually done any real research, attended something other than a high school or actually thought to read something other than some Islamophobic propaganda. Thanks for the link. I just had a look at it, it has nothing to do with Islam or the previous quote. Only confirmed my earlier suspicion that your mind is wasted, and that the meaningless gibberish that you post is unworthy of my or anyone else's further time.

bounty44 -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 11:39:32 AM)
that's likely because it was just a 12 page sampler bosco. im looking for the full text right now. however, if you read about Voltaire and islam on wikipedia, one of his biographers states that his antipathy towards it as a religion, despite the aforementioned praising of Muhammad's legal acumen, remained throughout his lifetime. heres a section from another link that is possibly the one in question, which is not contrary to my sentence above: quote: It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God? But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows: "This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned." They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult. I would then speak with the Christians, and I would dare to say, for example, to a Dominican Inquisitor of the Faith: "My brother, you know that each province of Italy has their own dialect, and that people do not speak at Venice or Bergamo the same way they speak at Florence. The Academy of Crusca near Florence has fixed the language; its dictionary is a rule which one dare not depart from, and the Grammar of Buonmattei is an infallible guide that one must follow. But do you believe that the consul of the Academy, or Buonmattei in his absence, could in conscience cut the tongues out of all the Venetians and all the Bergamese who persist in speaking their dialect?" The inquisitor responds, "There is a difference between your example and our practice. For us, it is a matter of the health of your soul. It is for your good that the director of the Inquisition ordains that you be seized on the testimony of a single person, however infamous or criminal that person might be; that you will have no advocate to defend you; that the name of your accuser will not even be known by you; that the inquisitor can promise you mercy, and immediately condemn you; that five different tortures will be applied to you, and then you will be flogged, or sent to the galleys, or ceremoniously burned. Father Ivonet, Doctor Cuchalon, Zanchinus, Campegius, Roias, Felynus, Gomarus, Diabarus, Gemelinus, are explicit on this point, and this pious practice cannot suffer any contradiction." I would take the liberty to respond, "My brother, perhaps you are reasonable; I am convinced that you wish to do me good; but could I not be saved without all that?" It is true that these absurd horrors do not stain the face of the earth every day; but they are frequent, and they could easily fill a volume much greater than the gospels which condemn them. Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation. It seems to me that it does not pertain to the atoms of the moment, such as we are, to anticipate the decrees of the Creator. http://oasocialstudies.tripod.com/16-Voltaire_on_Toleration.pdf

jlf1961 -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 11:44:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 First, Voltair renounced his play and statements against Islam in A Treatise on Tolerance, something you would have known had you actually done any real research, attended something other than a high school or actually thought to read something other than some Islamophobic propaganda. Thanks for the link. I just had a look at it, it has nothing to do with Islam or the previous quote. Only confirmed my earlier suspicion that your mind is wasted, and that the meaningless gibberish that you post is unworthy of my or anyone else's further time. You better read it again you brainless wonder, or any of the other sources I mentioned. Or did you decide to ignore the one where Voltair clearly praises Mohammad? It is typical of close minded conservatives who want nothing more than to justify intolerance, ignorance and racism. You are proving, in the most blatant fashion that closeminded following of the current agenda of racism by the extreme right is the way of the future. Funny thing about the quotes and statements you have been making, they can be traced almost word for word to individuals who have also published antisemitic rants dealing with Jews, white supremacist publications on African Americans and the fact that negroid peoples are basically sub human. Tell you what, go down to the local public library (big building with books you can get on loan) and get the damn thing and read it. Now it may be difficult for you to comprehend, so I suggest you purchase a college dictionary, and I warn you, there are no pictures. If there is a college in your town, I can assure you that their library will have a copy, since, as I said, it is required reading for philosophy majors. You can purchase a copy from Barnes and Noble, I believe that a used copy online is about 15 bucks.

BoscoX -> RE: Genocide then (1/30/2017 11:53:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 that's likely because it was just a 12 page sampler bosco. im looking for the full text right now. however, if you read about Voltaire and islam on wikipedia, one of his biographers states that his antipathy towards it as a religion, despite the aforementioned praising of Muhammad's legal acumen, remained throughout his lifetime. heres a section from another link that is possibly the one in question, which is not contrary to my sentence above: quote: It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God? But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows: "This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned." They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult. I would then speak with the Christians, and I would dare to say, for example, to a Dominican Inquisitor of the Faith: "My brother, you know that each province of Italy has their own dialect, and that people do not speak at Venice or Bergamo the same way they speak at Florence. The Academy of Crusca near Florence has fixed the language; its dictionary is a rule which one dare not depart from, and the Grammar of Buonmattei is an infallible guide that one must follow. But do you believe that the consul of the Academy, or Buonmattei in his absence, could in conscience cut the tongues out of all the Venetians and all the Bergamese who persist in speaking their dialect?" The inquisitor responds, "There is a difference between your example and our practice. For us, it is a matter of the health of your soul. It is for your good that the director of the Inquisition ordains that you be seized on the testimony of a single person, however infamous or criminal that person might be; that you will have no advocate to defend you; that the name of your accuser will not even be known by you; that the inquisitor can promise you mercy, and immediately condemn you; that five different tortures will be applied to you, and then you will be flogged, or sent to the galleys, or ceremoniously burned. Father Ivonet, Doctor Cuchalon, Zanchinus, Campegius, Roias, Felynus, Gomarus, Diabarus, Gemelinus, are explicit on this point, and this pious practice cannot suffer any contradiction." I would take the liberty to respond, "My brother, perhaps you are reasonable; I am convinced that you wish to do me good; but could I not be saved without all that?" It is true that these absurd horrors do not stain the face of the earth every day; but they are frequent, and they could easily fill a volume much greater than the gospels which condemn them. Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation. It seems to me that it does not pertain to the atoms of the moment, such as we are, to anticipate the decrees of the Creator. http://oasocialstudies.tripod.com/16-Voltaire_on_Toleration.pdf His mind is wasted, nevertheless. Has to cherry pick things I write then take them out of context to attack them with meaningless trivia, can't get anywhere near the meat of what I post then declares himself a real winner Kind of unique as far as morons go, he can spew a lot of words but they don't amount to anything substantive Bloviates about everything in the most ridiculous, roundabout, far-fetched ways to the point he makes no sense in the end. We can't discriminate against members of a death cult because they are exactly like the Japanese and the communists? WTF! [:D] "Earth to moron - there are massive differences, but I won't waste the rest of my day explaining the common sense reality to you just because you are lost and pathetic" Just like most of his drivel, in which he STILL ignores the gist of my main points "Can't touch this"

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