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DaddySatyr -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 6:03:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Besides what's important here is that booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication...are a profit. In fact some of the greatest culturally enriching, profits of all in western society. Ah, such piousness in great Christian America...is just breathtaking. Mr. Rodgers, quick! Look up! You see that? That's my point, sailing over your head. "Booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication" weren't my point. Perhaps, go back and read that whole paragraph, instead of just skimming. Michael

Nnanji -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 6:06:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Besides what's important here is that booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication...are a profit. In fact some of the greatest culturally enriching, profits of all in western society. Ah, such piousness in great Christian America...is just breathtaking. Mr. Rodgers, quick! Look up! You see that? That's my point, sailing over your head. "Booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication" weren't my point. Perhaps, go back and read that whole paragraph, instead of just skimming. Michael He can't look up. His tin foil hat will slip.

vincentML -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 6:22:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal. More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution. I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure. On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy. I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least. But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool. He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication." I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad." The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point. Michael Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees. More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia [:'(] ISIL has stated it will use the refugees to smuggle their people into the U.S. And Europe. Apparently, you're too dumb to believe them. No, I'm smart enough not to fall for the ignorant, bigoted fear mongering that you and your storm troopers are engaged in. Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act already provides for a visa-venting process for refugees coming from those seven countries that you are so concerned about. AS IF some murderous, demented jihadi could not come from the 38 countries with which we have reciprocal visa-free 90 day travel. Do you see the problem here? Or are you as stupid as some of the other Trump-lickers on here? Eww . . ISIS is coming to get us. Look under the beds, folks. [:'(]

mnottertail -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 6:32:54 PM)
Remember this is the nutsucker wilbur in another sock, he was proclaiming the nutsucker plot to dump rat poison in the drinking water was a jobs bill, remember?

jlf1961 -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 6:51:41 PM)
Actually, while the government has the right to screen refugees to insure they are not a threat to the US, either as terrorists, spies, or because they have some disease.... Under the Geneva convention on refugees read it here they do have the right to come here. The government has the right to limit how many are allowed to stay from each country of origin. The United States has the right to detain them, however that document sets up standards for that as well. So, under the Geneva Convention dealing with refugees, yes they have the right to come to the US. Once here, the US has the right to decide whether or not they can immediate run around unsupervised or if they need to be detained for a period of time. However, the first amendment does kind of make banning people due to religion unconstitutional. Personally, since I do agree with the reasons for the executive order, to promote the safety of the general public (shock to those I have been arguing with on the merits of Islam) I think it could have been worded differently, to avoid the shit storm it has raised. You see, being as old as I am, and having a passion for history, there are court cases that have set precedent. After the word trade center bombing, a number of Muslims were deported due to the fact that they followed a militant Imam who was preaching terrorism in the New York City area. Well, lawyers tried to fight the deportations on the grounds of religious freedom. Problem was, they were not deported for being Muslim, they were deported for following and supporting the ideals of a man that was preaching terror and murder as a way to accomplish a goal. BIG DIFFERENCE. Now, consider this. A ban not on all Muslims from specific countries, but a ban on Muslims that adhere to a specific sub sect of either Sunni or Shia teachings that do believe that the Koran and all the teachings of the prophet is one of killing and violence. That would be constitutional as it follows the same basic theory on dealing with Mormon fundamentalists who are polygamists and believe in marrying girls under the age of 15.

Greta75 -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (1/31/2017 8:18:31 PM)
And I was thinking about the dumb Singaporean kid who tried to seek asylum in the US as he was trying to escape compulsory national military service, who have been thrown into jail in the US for 60 days now, while they deliberate what to do with his request of Asylum. I think the kid deserves his jail term and I am glad US did that to him! It's good for Trump to tell everyone upfront don't come in for the next 90 days, or they'll be like the poor Singaporean naive kid.

vincentML -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 7:41:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, while the government has the right to screen refugees to insure they are not a threat to the US, either as terrorists, spies, or because they have some disease.... Under the Geneva convention on refugees read it here they do have the right to come here. The government has the right to limit how many are allowed to stay from each country of origin. The United States has the right to detain them, however that document sets up standards for that as well. So, under the Geneva Convention dealing with refugees, yes they have the right to come to the US. Once here, the US has the right to decide whether or not they can immediate run around unsupervised or if they need to be detained for a period of time. However, the first amendment does kind of make banning people due to religion unconstitutional. Personally, since I do agree with the reasons for the executive order, to promote the safety of the general public (shock to those I have been arguing with on the merits of Islam) I think it could have been worded differently, to avoid the shit storm it has raised. You see, being as old as I am, and having a passion for history, there are court cases that have set precedent. After the word trade center bombing, a number of Muslims were deported due to the fact that they followed a militant Imam who was preaching terrorism in the New York City area. Well, lawyers tried to fight the deportations on the grounds of religious freedom. Problem was, they were not deported for being Muslim, they were deported for following and supporting the ideals of a man that was preaching terror and murder as a way to accomplish a goal. BIG DIFFERENCE. Now, consider this. A ban not on all Muslims from specific countries, but a ban on Muslims that adhere to a specific sub sect of either Sunni or Shia teachings that do believe that the Koran and all the teachings of the prophet is one of killing and violence. That would be constitutional as it follows the same basic theory on dealing with Mormon fundamentalists who are polygamists and believe in marrying girls under the age of 15. Here's the problem I have with your idea. . . . the case you cited dealt with people and an Imam who were already in this country. Screening refugees is another issue entirely. We already have visa vetting processes in effect in our embassies abroad. As you pointed out, refugees are fail safe under the Geneva Accords. In addition to that however, we have by law an reciprocal arrangements with 38 countries for 90 day visa free travel. There is nothing to stop a "terrorist" intent on killing Americans from traveling to one of these visa free partner countries and buying a ticket to fly. Or more easily for some terror group to recruit nationals from these visa partner nations to buy tickets to fly. This business of protecting us like giving us some sort of vaccination is a farce. The true immunization against terror in the homeland is through Intelligence diligence. It would help as well if we would stop trying to export democracy and stop attempting regime change abroad.

Lucylastic -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 7:50:13 AM)
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story DETROIT (WJBK) - Questions have been raised about the validity of Mike Hager's claims that his mother died while waiting for approval to come to Michigan. FOX 2 news is working to resolve the questions about Hager's story. We'll update this page with further details. A local business owner flies to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment. But under President Trump's ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations, he said he was forced to leave his family behind. Mike Hager fled Iraq with his family during the Gulf War, returned during the Iraq war and worked alongside United States Marines and Army forces. He now owns a business in Metro Detroit and said his mom would still be alive today if President Donald Trump had not instituted his travel ban on Muslim countries. Hager said he was returning home with his family that included his sick mom. They were returning home to the United States where his mother has lived since 1995. As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen. But his family members - including his mom - weren't allowed, despite holding green cards. "They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. Hager was born in Iraq and fled during the Gulf War. He lived in a refugee camp with his family for four years before settling in the United States. In the 2000s, he returned to Iraq where he worked as a contractor for the United States armed forces between 2003 and 2008 as an interpreter and cultural advisor. He even survived being shot in the back while serving. He's a proud American citizen whose family has now been torn apart. "The immigration told us that the President of the United States put an order right now - you guys cannot go," he told FOX 2's Amy Lange. Hager said he was traveling with his niece, two nephews, and his 75-year-old mother, Naimma, home to Michigan. He said they traveled to Iraq to visit family and when she fell ill but didn't expect it to be a problem for the family to travel since they all had green cards and had lived in the United States for 20 years. "I was just shocked. I had to put my mom back on the wheelchair and take her back and call the ambulance and she was very very upset. She knew right there if we send her back to the hospital she's going to pass away - she's not going to make it," Hager said.

Lucylastic -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 7:56:38 AM)
Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook

Nnanji -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:02:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Remember this is the nutsucker wilbur in another sock, he was proclaiming the nutsucker plot to dump rat poison in the drinking water was a jobs bill, remember? Lol, keep thinking that. It's what you think makes you soooo smart. And since you're wrong, I get to laugh at your idiocy mental patient.

LTE -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:03:05 AM)
So one, fake news. So two, they are not citizens. So three, it was the Iraqis who held them up even though supposedly they all had green cards. So four, America First. So five, see point one.

LTE -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:05:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook So...?

mnottertail -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:07:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Remember this is the nutsucker wilbur in another sock, he was proclaiming the nutsucker plot to dump rat poison in the drinking water was a jobs bill, remember? Lol, keep thinking that. It's what you think makes you soooo smart. And since you're wrong, I get to laugh at your idiocy mental patient. Are you grabbing up your morning cockgargle wilbur? Good for you retard.

mnottertail -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:09:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook So...? You gotta love it when red state nutsucker welfare patients are called out and their addresses published, helps feed their paranoia. It can only be good for America.

BoscoX -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:16:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook So they slaughter 3,150 of us, one of our drunks says stupid shit to one of them.... The poor dears [:(]

LTE -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:20:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, while the government has the right to screen refugees to insure they are not a threat to the US, either as terrorists, spies, or because they have some disease.... Under the Geneva convention on refugees read it here they do have the right to come here. The government has the right to limit how many are allowed to stay from each country of origin. The United States has the right to detain them, however that document sets up standards for that as well. So, under the Geneva Convention dealing with refugees, yes they have the right to come to the US. Once here, the US has the right to decide whether or not they can immediate run around unsupervised or if they need to be detained for a period of time. However, the first amendment does kind of make banning people due to religion unconstitutional. Personally, since I do agree with the reasons for the executive order, to promote the safety of the general public (shock to those I have been arguing with on the merits of Islam) I think it could have been worded differently, to avoid the shit storm it has raised. You see, being as old as I am, and having a passion for history, there are court cases that have set precedent. After the word trade center bombing, a number of Muslims were deported due to the fact that they followed a militant Imam who was preaching terrorism in the New York City area. Well, lawyers tried to fight the deportations on the grounds of religious freedom. Problem was, they were not deported for being Muslim, they were deported for following and supporting the ideals of a man that was preaching terror and murder as a way to accomplish a goal. BIG DIFFERENCE. Now, consider this. A ban not on all Muslims from specific countries, but a ban on Muslims that adhere to a specific sub sect of either Sunni or Shia teachings that do believe that the Koran and all the teachings of the prophet is one of killing and violence. That would be constitutional as it follows the same basic theory on dealing with Mormon fundamentalists who are polygamists and believe in marrying girls under the age of 15. quote: However, the first amendment does kind of make banning people due to religion unconstitutional. Nope. "kind of?" This is not horseshoes. Read the 1st again after remembering that it was written for Citizens of this country. quote: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1] AMERICA FIRST. Geneva Convention second. Hopefully, we all are on the same page now.

Musicmystery -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:20:59 AM)
Yeah. Our agreements are shit not to be honored. Big American value there. FFS.

Lucylastic -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:35:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook So they slaughter 3,150 of us, one of our drunks says stupid shit to one of them.... The poor dears [:(] Its a shame your IQ doesnt increase with the lies you tell, but your figures are lies. pinnochio

Lucylastic -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 8:36:59 AM)
Of course all these "muslims" need to do, is tell a lie and pretend they are Christians, this mob of shit have been doing it for years.

Nnanji -> RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,” (2/1/2017 9:29:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Brave hijab-wearing Muslim-American woman films the moment she's harassed by a man who calls her a 'b**' - before asking if she has a green card - the day Trump's travel ban came into force Asma Elhuni, 39, was sitting inside Joe's Coffee Shop in Atlanta when she claims a man took a photo of her Elhuni, who is an American citizen, starts recording video and asks why he's taking photos of her At first he laughs and then asks her if she is 'offended' before sitting down across from her to then ask why she's 'so uptight' She calmly asks him again why he's taking photos of her and then he calls her a 'b**' before asking if she has a green card Elhuni, who is a graduate student, recorded video of the encounter and shared it to Facebook where it's been watched more than 1.3million times News outlets have identified the man as Rob Koehler of Columbus, Georgia Koehler later took to Facebook and appeared to apologize for his actions saying 'I could've handled the situation better. I will get better and be better from this' DailyMail.com has tried reaching out to Koehler for a comment about the video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4172568/Muslim-American-woman-films-moment-s-harassed-man.html#ixzz4XRwM4lVu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook So...? Lucy tries to look smart by using Google and posting things she thinks are relavent to a discussion. She really won't have an opinion so asking her to state why something might be relavent just won't work.

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