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Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 6:36:49 PM   
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Okay, I just read today, a new Lib Media complain that, Trump's Ban will cause alot of LGBT Muslims to get mass murdered because they couldn't escape their own Islamic countries who wanna kill them.

So again...., how is Islam peaceful again? Since Libs are trying to save LGBT people from being murdered by Muslims then why are they supporting Muslim's culture of killing LGBT people? Saying we shouldn't discriminate against a Religion that kills LGBT?

I love how this was spin into how Trump hates LGBT and does not want to protect them.


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/01/31/president-trumps-refugee-ban-could-amount-to-a-death-sentence-for-lgbt-refugees/

Jessica Stern, executive director of OutRight Action International, says the executive order “could amount to a death sentence to LGBTQ people who have few means of escape.”

“By turning his back on people from these countries, Trump just joined those who believe it’s OK to imprison and kill people for being gay or trans,” Stern told NBC Out. (I seriously laugh at this, ANYBODY who protects and defends and claims Islam is a peaceful religion IS guilty of enabling them to kill people for being gay or trans. )

“Sudan, Iran and Yemen officially punish homosexuality with death, and Iraq, a country that has seen killing sprees of people perceived as gay or transgender, has never held a single perpetrator responsible,” she explained.

“The governments of Libya, Syria and Somalia punish homosexuality with prison — even up to 10 years.”

“Donald Trump’s unjust and unconscionable executive orders make life more dangerous for countless LGBTQ people, and could equal a death sentence for those trying to escape violence and persecution from places such as Syria.


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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 8:58:06 PM   
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13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

Straight from the bible, however, most Christians, and Christian countries do not enforce it, though there are some extremists that do.

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 9:03:51 PM   
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And since the Quran drew most it's inspiration from the old testament.

This is the point.

The Christians came up with the new Testament to negate all their old testament horrific bullshit. It's almost like their God turn over a new Leaf. Into this kind Jesus Christ who even protected prostitutes from being stoned.

Then Mr Muhammad deviated from Christianity. And started his own cult, called Islam, continuing the brutality practiced in the old testament. As I always said, as a Muslim, they don't question anything about the old testament being untrue. To them, it's all part of Islam of what happened from the beginning of time. They agree with the old testament. Their deviation from Christianity starts from the New Testament.

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 9:11:16 PM   
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13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

Straight from the bible, however, most Christians, and Christian countries do not enforce it, though there are some extremists that do.


That's because everything changed with Jesus Christ. Christians have a new set of rules to live by.

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 9:50:14 PM   
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Islam is interestingly far more tolerant about T than LGB. Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 10:28:35 PM   
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Islam is interestingly far more tolerant about T than LGB. Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand

In Iran, according to Islamic law, homosexuality is punishable by death. Ironically, sex-change operations are not only legal; they are embraced by a society that accepts male or female but nothing in between. Iran’s gender-reassignment industry is in a veritable boom. Attracted to members of the same sex, yet forced to deny their true selves, a young generation of men and women adopt the only identity legally allowed for them — transsexual. Socially conditioned and shamed into denying their sexuality, queer youths resort, seemingly willingly, to a most drastic measure: gender-reassignment surgery. Every day in the Tehran medical office of Dr. Bahram Mir-Jalali, the country’s most prominent sex-change surgeon, the waiting room is filled with new candidates for gender reassignment. The doctor, a hero to his patients, performs more sex-change operations in a year than the entire country of France does in 10 years.



So gay men are forced to surgically transform into a Female IF he wants to be with his gay lover.

Gotta love them for that!

http://pbsinternational.org/programs/be-like-others-transsexuals-in-iran/


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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 10:30:13 PM   
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Okay, I just read today, a new Lib Media complain that, Trump's Ban will cause alot of LGBT Muslims to get mass murdered because they couldn't escape their own Islamic countries who wanna kill them.

So again...., how is Islam peaceful again? Since Libs are trying to save LGBT people from being murdered by Muslims then why are they supporting Muslim's culture of killing LGBT people? Saying we shouldn't discriminate against a Religion that kills LGBT?



It is almost pathetic, how the arguments contradict themselves.

Just the other day, a Lib used diametrically opposed complaints about one person in a post, directed at me. I asked how the two arguments squared themselves away. I haven't gotten an answer, yet.

If there's nothing "wrong" with living amidst a bunch of people who hold to Sharia law, why is there any need for the US to have a refugee program that includes places like Syria, Iraq, Libya, etc. in the first place? I know the refugee program is for all countries, but the point being: Why are there so many "refugees", there?

Apparently, the Jihadi fuckwits are just misunderstood. They need jobs. They're not really religious extremists. Why should we be extra careful before we allow the very flowers of humanity access to our streets paved with gold? Personally, I don't dodge enough bullets, these days. I say: Let 'em all in!

I remember reading that China has some of the worst air quality on the planet. If only there were a way to import that here, also.



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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 10:37:27 PM   
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I remember reading that China has some of the worst air quality on the planet. If only there were a way to import that here, also.

This is 101% true.
http://aqicn.org/map/#@g/21.3596/114.6533/4z
I feel like I am choking and suffocating when the Indonesian Forest Fires gets blown towards us, and our Air quality reaches AQI 100.

China has so many places where it is perpetually 150 to 200 AQI, I don't know how people aren't all dropping dead already over there! And how babies survive breathing that kind of air!



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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 11:45:49 PM   
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Islam is interestingly far more tolerant about T than LGB. Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand

In Iran, according to Islamic law, homosexuality is punishable by death. Ironically, sex-change operations are not only legal; they are embraced by a society that accepts male or female but nothing in between. Iran’s gender-reassignment industry is in a veritable boom. Attracted to members of the same sex, yet forced to deny their true selves, a young generation of men and women adopt the only identity legally allowed for them — transsexual. Socially conditioned and shamed into denying their sexuality, queer youths resort, seemingly willingly, to a most drastic measure: gender-reassignment surgery. Every day in the Tehran medical office of Dr. Bahram Mir-Jalali, the country’s most prominent sex-change surgeon, the waiting room is filled with new candidates for gender reassignment. The doctor, a hero to his patients, performs more sex-change operations in a year than the entire country of France does in 10 years.



So gay men are forced to surgically transform into a Female IF he wants to be with his gay lover.

Gotta love them for that!

http://pbsinternational.org/programs/be-like-others-transsexuals-in-iran/




The laws of an entire nation force sex change operations on gays - or they must face other severe punishment. The laws being based on the Koran of course



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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 1/31/2017 11:50:12 PM   
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Islam is interestingly far more tolerant about T than LGB. Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand



Now, if only we could get them to be tolerant of Christians and Jews and Pluralist societies and ...



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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 12:06:10 AM   
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13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

Straight from the bible, however, most Christians, and Christian countries do not enforce it, though there are some extremists that do.


That's because everything changed with Jesus Christ. Christians have a new set of rules to live by.




Except, tamaka, that there are those extremists that use that to justify the murder of gays and lesbians.

For that matter, there are at least two new testament versus that condone the killing of non-Christians.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Then there are the new testament versus condoning slavery
Epheisans 6:5-8
5 vBondservants,1 obey your earthly masters2 with fear and trembling, wwith a sincere heart, xas you would Christ, 6 not by the way of eye-service, as ypeople-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, 7 rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, 8 zknowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, awhether he is a bondservant or is free.


The point is, that Christianity is just as susceptible to being perverted to violence, and racism, as an example the following:

“And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying; Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.” Matthew 15:22-8

The section of the passage I highlighted has long been used to justify racism by the white supremacist Christians.

While the lesson is the whole passage, they use a part of the passage taken out of context simply by ignoring the entire message.

Which is the point I have been trying to make about Islamic extremists.

Which is to say, they follow the philosophy as set down by the Khawarij that appeared in the first century of Islam, and preached by Sayyid Qutb.

As far as he and those that follow his teachings, 90% of modern Muslims and everyone else is worthy only of death as unbelievers.

You might want to compare his philosophy to that of the Jesuits and their Inquisition, the Persecution of the Cathars, and the entire war promoted by the Catholic church on Protestants.

For that matter, I have had Baptists as well as members of the Church of Christ tell me I am going to hell for being a Catholic.

It is for this reason that I figure my relationship to God is between me and him, with no priest, preacher, monk, nun, minister or anyone else between us.

And historically speaking, every prophet since Adam has pretty much said basically the same thing and everyone of them have had their words twisted to justify a lot of inhumane and violent actions on the part of their followers.

So I figure there are going to be a lot of people get a major wake up when they hit the pearly gates.

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 12:31:47 AM   
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Trump is President, everything that happens on Earth is his fault. comes with the job.

But really, I am beyond all this shit. There is no being in the sky that can send me to hell for simply thinking "YOU MOTHERFUCKER" when someone cuts me off on the road almost causing a 23 car pile-up. And the only thing worse than believing "in" some stupid shit like that is believing some crazy asshole who probably found a certain type of mushrooms to eat that all the sudden knows what this supreme being wants us to do.

Last time I had to deal with Christians is an excellent example. i told them that if someone harms me it is up to me to forgive them, not some guy who died 2,000 years ago. Then, on their last leg in their evangelist mode they say "What if it is true ?". True capitulation there. I will explain.

To say you believe when you don't, just in case it is true is the epitome of self delusion, and if there is a god, he would certainly be offended by such lack of backbone and untrustworthiness. I know I would. Like my friends, I make it very clear at some point that I will blow their head off as soon as look at them if they cross me. They get with this "How can you shoot your friends ?". Well if you fuck me over you are no friend. See, it may be a mental defect and really I have never shot anyone, but I have no compunction against pulling the trigger. Plus the fact that I am 56 and as far as I am concerned my life is pretty much over. In the name of the father, the son, and into the mouth the .38 goes folks.

Well the religious take this to an extreme, using words written by psychopaths thousands of years ago. though I have read alot of Bible and do respect the wisdom within, who the fuck decided what goes in there ? first of all Leviticus should have never been around writing implements. That asshole could not say hello without a stupid metaphor. Most of the authors had some common sense and wisdom, but this if you show up wearing cotton with silk you need to be burned at the stake or some shit is a bunch of bullshit.

I know what he meant, and neither way was it good. One way would mean if you are half Jewish. Another way is if you try to have loyalty to two different countries or whatever. Remember somerthing about the Old Testament, is it for and by Hebrew Jews. Thou shalt not kill other Jews, thou shalt not steal from other Jews, thou shalt not covet another Jew's Wife. Every one else was just animals in their opinion, and many of the newfangled Ashkenazis believe that, even moreso than the Hebrews, who are the REAL ones who have claim to Israel. If they were running thing there would not be so much trouble, while they had their superiority complex they were a hell opf aloe better at playing nice with the neighbors than the Ashkenazi, who make Donald Trump look like Mother Theresa.

Joshua ¯ Joseph was probably the best philosopher of all time, and if people lived by what he preached the world would be pretty much a utopia. but they don't. And then we got this asshole named Mohammed who thinks he can rewrite all this. One Man, one mortal Man caused all this shit. but then so did King James. What is a King James version of the Bible ? Who the fuck is King James to say what goes in and what stays out ?

Anyone who believe this bullshit is a fucking nincompoop and deserves a Darwin award, and there are like 100 million of us ready to present these awards. Bring in those refugees. We'll stack them up on the streetcorners.

After the Muslims are all gone then it is the Jews' turn, we've had enough of their fucking shit as well. Keep pushing these liberal agenda and one day you might wake up to find yourself with zero company in liberal la la land. Whit Man invented killing. We do it for sport and to keep in practice. We kill mighty beasts to take their heads to a taxidermist. We kill little kittens when they shit in our Wife's garden. We kill other humanoids just for being in our backyard. (can't have them tampering with the grill we just got set right to burn mammal flesh properly)

You start acting like animals we will take our skins off, lock and load and eliminate all that does not please us. In short, we are sick of the bullshit and that is why we punished you with Donald Trump. And if I am alive in 2020 I will vote for him as many times as I can just to stick it up every liberal's ass.

Like the Japanese general said to the Emperor "We have awoken the sleeping giant".

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 12:53:31 AM   
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The laws of an entire nation force sex change operations on gays - or they must face other severe punishment. The laws being based on the Koran of course

"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University.

"In Iran we do not have this phenomenon," he continued. "I do not know who has told you we have it."


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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 4:10:12 AM   
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So again...., how is Islam peaceful again?
It's not.


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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 4:11:15 AM   
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13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

Straight from the bible, however, most Christians, and Christian countries do not enforce it, though there are some extremists that do.
That's because it's a Levitical law which specifies the Jews covenant with God and thus does not apply to Christians.

Thank you for playing - and failing - again.

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 4:14:51 AM   
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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 4:35:12 AM   
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Okay, I just read today, a new Lib Media complain that, Trump's Ban will cause alot of LGBT Muslims to get mass murdered because they couldn't escape their own Islamic countries who wanna kill them.


and apparently too America is the only place in the world they can go to!

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RE: Blaming Trump for Muslims killing LGBT people - 2/1/2017 4:36:17 AM   
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and apparently too America is the only place in the world they can go to!



Other Muslim countries are smart enough to NOT take them in.



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