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BeachMystress -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (12/7/2004 1:58:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: harmony3709

she couldn't understand why her husband objected her coming to bed with her pet bird on her shoulder. After an extremely awkward silence, I simply said that maybe if she trained the bird to join in, her husband would not object -- a

:-0 You mean not everyone's parrot joins in in bed? OMG.. I KNEW I was doing something wrong.




cynnacent1 -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (12/7/2004 5:11:08 AM)

i'm sure that any of our friends and family, would have already guessed that by this time in our relationship we are enjoying sexual intimacies together. i can only guess that MOST would rather not know the details. my Mom doesn't NEED to know how much i love it when my Master pulls me close to His crotch by a handfull of my hair as he tells me to put my mouth to good use while He pleasures me with a 10" silicone dildo. my Dad does not NEED to know that i find equaled enjoyments by being cuffed, gagged and suspended from the ceiling by my wrists and spanked, until it is no longer clear to either of us of whether the fluids running down my inner thighs is attributable to sweating or cumming. i'm sure that the images it would place in their minds, would be TOO much information for either of them or any other family members.

As i have more friends than family members who would find themselves capable of accepting certain details, most of my family members have no clue of our activities involving BDSM or D/s. Certain aspects of our relationship are very intimate and i don't casually toss those details in just anyone's lap. Some things are best kept private between He and i. The desire or choice to preserve our privacy should never be mistaken for dishonesty, or withholding the truth.

my family and friends can see plainly enough the commitment, respect, and love which exists in the relationship between INSIDEYOURMIND & myself. This is the only detail of significance which should be of concern by our friends and family. This is all they need to know.



¸,ø¤º°cynnacent°º¤ø,¸ (proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND)




Sylverdawn -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (12/7/2004 5:26:26 AM)

For me there are two reasons....

The first and foremost being.. there are judgements made by people who are not in the *life*.. Perversion is the first thought that crosses their minds.. and then they sort of look at you funny. Then the little checklist goes off in their head.. tick tick tick..and they next thing you are being equated with some nasty fellow in a park with a raincoat .. I just am not willing to have the whole Im a normal person go to church.. dont eat live pigeons conversation with every tom dick and martha out there..

Secondly, I work on a need to know basis in my life.. I dont need to know how great a lay my sister's hubby is and she doesn't need to know that just putting on a strap make me woggie inside.

However, I am open with people who have asked me the question... and I alway preface it by saying.. sometime people ask question they really dont want to know or are not ready for the answer to .. I want you to think before you ask me that again.. and if they do I have that conversation. I have it down to a science now.. takes me about twenty mintues..

regards
SD




MsCameron -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (12/7/2004 9:03:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cynnacent1
my family and friends can see plainly enough the commitment, respect, and love which exists in the relationship between INSIDEYOURMIND & myself. This is the only detail of significance which should be of concern by our friends and family. This is all they need to know.


Exactly!! I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.

MsC




Suleiman -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (12/7/2004 8:33:11 PM)

Personally, I have never really hidden in a closet - aside from the closet which belonged to a nice gay man with whom I was sharing a house, but that was only because it was small and dark and private and he had some really nice gowns that I could snuggle up to when I was feeling sad. That's a different story all together and probably WAAAY too much information. ::ahem:: what I mean is, I have never particularly concealed my proclivities. By the same token, I do not wander around beating a drum and shouting "Lookit me! I'm a leatherclad sissyboy!". Most of my family probably has no clue that I'm into bondage, nor do they likely realise that I like boys. Then again, these are also people I don't talk to very often, and when we do converse, it's the akward sort of family reunion smalltalk that I despise. I won't dodge a direct question, but that's not the sort of question my family asks.

In the small BDSM clique that first inducted me into the larger scene, closet behavior was frowned on. Then again, most of these people were radical queers who ran around wearing T-shirts with slogans like "Silence = Death". Even so, several members of that clique had to remain at least semi-closeted because they had professional careers that would be damaged by the revelation of their proclivities.

I have always held the opinion that whether or not someone is "out" is their choice, and it is a choice only they can make. However, there is a point at which I would have to call it an actual deception. Keeping a slave on the side without telling your wife or husband is definately dishonest. OTOH, Not telling your mother that you regularly beat and humiliate your boy/girlfriend might be considered simple discretion, especially if said mother has gone on a "self help/ adult survivors of abuse" kick and is trying to convince you that you are repeating patterns of childhood abuse (which you may or may not remember having experienced). Some times it's just better for everyone involved to keep your mouth shut and dodge a few of the more nosey personal questions.

Thankfully, at least here in california, so many people wear leather gear as a fashion statement, for the most part wearing a dog collar or handcuffs dosen't do much more than raise an eyebrow. Anyone that bothers to bring up the subject can simply be ignored for being a tacky boor, just like any other invasion of one's personal privacy.

I guess it's all just a shade of grey, but what do you want? I'm a bisexual switch, after all, ambiguity is just part of my nature.




Manawyddan -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/9/2005 6:01:21 AM)

Until recently I was closeted about my scene activity. I completely understand the desire to keep different spheres of one's life separate. I don't consider that dishonesty; not everything is everyone's business, and a relative or a co-worker who asks a question they have no business asking, deserves whatever answer they get.

Currently I am open about being poly at work, but not at synagogue or around my family. I have decided that after my fiancee and I are married, I am willing to be 'out' to my family, but I have no desire to involve my religious community in this lifestyle (in particular, because I attend a shul where 90% of the members are much older than I am, and I just don't want to go there).

In terms of the S&M, I am 'out' at work, but few people know about it, simply because there are few people with whom I have discussions about favorite sexual positions. I doubt therefore I will ever discuss it with my family.

On the other hand, I am not in a 'lifestyle' Master/slave relationship. If I was, I might very well have a different attitude about it.




domtimothy46176 -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/9/2005 2:04:43 PM)

I maintain my privacy while remaining scrupulously honest. I don't volunteer my personal information to my family and actively discourage nosy questions. If asked specific questions, I would have no problem telling anyone that it's none of their business how I live my life.

When my underage daughter asked me if I was abusing my girl, based on noises she had heard coming from my room, I sat her down and explained that while I was, in fact, spanking her, that it wasn't abuse as she meant the term. As her father and the head of the household, I felt obligated to ensure she understood the differences between abuse and WIITWD. That led to my giving a short lesson on what D/s is and how it manifests and why some people are drawn to it. I was honest but I didn't feel it was necessary to give more information than was needed to ensure she understood that the activity was consensual. The sexual aspects weren't necessary to the explanation nor appropriate to my daughter's level of development.

As she's grown older, she has occasionally asked other questions which I have always answered honestly but always with an eye toward what I felt was an appropriate level of information. Thus far she hasn't asked for information on how sex fits into the mix and even if she did, I wouldn't feel obligated to share my personal sexual practices. IMO, that's none of her business. Explaining to her why I did or did not consider my girl to be my slave, OTOH, is something I felt she had a need to understand when she brought the question to me.

To some extent, I feel that common sense, however much that term is oxymoronic these days, should lead most reasonable people to make choices in disclosure that are appropriate to their own situation. For myself, I can't really envision a likely scenario wherein I would feel compelled to lie rather than simply decline to share my personal proclivities. Ultimately, we all choose our own path.

Timothy





RiotGirl -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/10/2005 9:41:25 AM)

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ARoseAndAnEye -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/10/2005 10:26:48 AM)

I agree wholehearedly with Destinysskeins. If I was NOT into this lifestyle, would I discuss my sexuality with my peers, family & friends? Hardly. Just doesn't seem to be the topic of family dinners.

However, and I wonder if anybody else shares this dilema, Master is very much part of the public eye. Broadcasting our private business and discussing our lifestyle is not an option for us, and it has nothing to do with respect. While there are children to raise, bills to be paid, jobs to be fulfilled, etc. In short, our BDSM belongs to US...

With all of the life-commitments, it does make play a little tricky sometimes.

~anna




TeasedWhispers -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/10/2005 10:34:08 AM)

Honestly most of my nilla friends know and they accept how I am, if they are my true friends,they take me as I am. My family knew there is always something different about me...but they don't want to know;)




truesubboy -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/10/2005 8:03:50 PM)

I think as much everyone woudl like to be honest and open, the judgements of other people and their inability to accept certain things forces people in the scene to be secretive. When you think about it, BDSM is even less accepted by society than being gay. This is unfortunate, but true. As long as this continues to be the case, I think people will continue to withhold information from their friends and family.




txparanoid -> RE: Drawing a line at family and friends? (1/11/2005 1:27:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

Reading with interest peoples replies to the thread 'Do your friends & family know?'... and finding it interesting. Brings a question to mind... many people talk about 'truth & honesty' being so important in BDSM, but yet, do not feel able to be that open and honest to others? Understandably there are cases and times when discretion is valid, but whynot to our most treasured loved ones? What is the difference in hiding this specific 'deceit'? What makes one person a 'liar' and another person 'just being careful'. Many people almost burst with the enthusiasm they bestow upon their Masters/subs/....the 'wonderful times' they have, only to turn there back on it and 'pretend' to be someone they are truely not? Where is that line drawn?





I could come out as kinky to my Dad, but not to my mom. But mostly the way I see it, it's none of thier business. I've got a group of close friends who know, a group of not so close friends who don't and couldn't care less, and my family is not even as close as my friends - and that's not because of BDSM or anything... it's just that we're very very different people.




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