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scammers - 2/3/2017 2:08:07 PM   
johnsk


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Status: offline 		Is this the place to report a scammer, one who takes your tribute, disappears and fails to provide agreed upon services? I am thinking it would be a good thing to keep them from doing this to others or to have them removed from the site.
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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 2:12:03 PM   
sovereignsays


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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 2:45:19 PM   
freedomdwarf1


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Status: offline 		What is agreed between you and the other person is of no concern to the site.

However, report the profile on the other side (and yes, there is a scammer option).
Nobody here on the forums can help your predicament - not even the Mods.


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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 2:48:03 PM   
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DO NOT SEND MONEY TO OTHER USERS FOR ANY REASON!


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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 3:06:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: johnsk

Is this the place to report a scammer, one who takes your tribute, disappears and fails to provide agreed upon services? I am thinking it would be a good thing to keep them from doing this to others or to have them removed from the site.

Think of it as a tuition fee for the College of Common Sense. Hopefully you won't require further tutelage.

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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 3:27:45 PM   
needlesandpins


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Status: offline 		However, experience tells us that he probably will. I mean he ignored the huge red warning that OsideGirl has pointed out that the Site slaps your face with on the other side. We've all seen the many repeat offenders that come Waltzing in here to scream about it ... and I'm thinking this is why the choose the General BDSM Discussion section of the site to do it in too, because ya know, whilst it's not strictly the sex they were paying for that's making them scream, it's something.

Now I have this in my head ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXskfsgBihE&list=PLcvCcCQmcuWvwjS2OU1crljO1fsnN98QA&index=23

Needles, scream at the top of your lungs ...

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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 4:31:02 PM   
MissKatya


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quote:

ORIGINAL: johnsk

Is this the place to report a scammer, one who takes your tribute, disappears and fails to provide agreed upon services? I am thinking it would be a good thing to keep them from doing this to others or to have them removed from the site.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_4968824/mpage_4/key_/tm.htm#4971187

Considering that you posted this a few months back, I'm going to assume that you didn't take your own advice and sent money in advance, rather than meeting in person?



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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 5:23:19 PM   
DesFIP


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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 6:55:03 PM   
stef


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ORIGINAL: MissKatya

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4968824/mpage_4/key_/tm.htm#4971187

Considering that you posted this a few months back, I'm going to assume that you didn't take your own advice and sent money in advance, rather than meeting in person?

He must be on the 5 year plan at the College of Common Sense.

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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 10:24:41 PM   
ResidentSadist


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Status: offline 		"surprised when my profile is viewed by a person from far far away"
"by someone whose sexuality is clearly not in line with my own"

... He is also apparently surprised when when he gives money to a stranger on the internet, they scam him and disappear.

1st - Yes, you can report them for asking for money. It is a TOS violation. But as you know, there is no personal information about our accounts. The only thing CallarSpace can do is delete and ban the account.
2nd - You said they disappeared. They are gone. What good would banning an account that doesn't exist?
3rd - They already banned themselves by deleting their account... so your wish has already come true. You're welcome.
4th - Profile viewing... yes, a great many people go profile surfing for the human interest in it. They are "coming here is just entertainment."



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RE: scammers - 2/3/2017 11:33:28 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		For the life of me, I do not understand why people don't just book a reputable pro.



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RE: scammers - 2/4/2017 8:30:24 AM   
ResidentSadist


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

For the life of me, I do not understand why people don't just book a reputable pro.



Me too. It is baffling. I can only speculate that the anonymity of online contact through CollarSpace and other sites makes people feel more comfortable. Like a layer of insulation. Compared to registering with or talking with and using a listing service to book with a pro. More details might feel like more human contact... more intimate and more exposed. That is my best guess.

I get that impression from hearing how many submissives don't explain themselves or truly get an understand of the Domme they are interested in. They don't do the work of completely informing a Domme about their desires, limits or preferences and then come complain on these forums. Like they expect the Domme to telepathic. Some superimpose their fantasies onto what the Domme says, even if they have to bend reality to interpret what was said so they hear it the way they want to. At least it looks that way to me from what I read in posts here.

LadyPact, it great to see you are still here contributing to these forums. It is a better and more informative place because of your presence. :)


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RE: scammers - 2/4/2017 12:00:29 PM   
MissKatya


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

For the life of me, I do not understand why people don't just book a reputable pro.



Me too. It is baffling. I can only speculate that the anonymity of online contact through CollarSpace and other sites makes people feel more comfortable. Like a layer of insulation. Compared to registering with or talking with and using a listing service to book with a pro. More details might feel like more human contact... more intimate and more exposed. That is my best guess.

I get that impression from hearing how many submissives don't explain themselves or truly get an understand of the Domme they are interested in. They don't do the work of completely informing a Domme about their desires, limits or preferences and then come complain on these forums. Like they expect the Domme to telepathic. Some superimpose their fantasies onto what the Domme says, even if they have to bend reality to interpret what was said so they hear it the way they want to. At least it looks that way to me from what I read in posts here.

LadyPact, it great to see you are still here contributing to these forums. It is a better and more informative place because of your presence. :)




Ok, I have to throw theory in on why guys like him won't do a pro session.

It's not about "cheapening" the experience (as they all love to claim).

It's about psychologically controlling the situation. Paying for a session is limiting the ability to manipulate the situation because the time that is spent is limited on the amount paid and time negotiated.

But because he is willing to pay "in other forms" (such as a nice dinner or in this case, an online scammer), in his mind it's not a "business transaction" because it falls into the acceptable realm of what he is willing to do and there is no limit, as opposed to a pro-session, which sets time limits and restrictions. It gives him the false sense that he can manipulate the situation to meet his needs.

Bottom line, he wants his kinks met and then some. He is looking for a relationship but not willing to meet halfway so he will just keep going in circles and we will never hear the end of it. Sigh.

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RE: scammers - 2/4/2017 2:07:28 PM   
Diffident


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Status: offline 		That's going to be true for some people. I also think that there are a lot of people who are not really interested in doing anything in real life at all. They are fantasists who want wank material and would not meet a real Domme for a cup of coffee in a busy Starbucks. Scammers allow their targets to feed the fantasy of a promise of an eventual meeting at some undefined point in the future that deep down they know is never going to happen. With a Pro session then a meeting is definitely happening at a date, time and place that is agreed in the first exchange of emails. Great for someone who is actually interested in doing what is agreed. Not so good for wankers.

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RE: scammers - 2/4/2017 6:11:29 PM   
MissKatya


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Diffident

That's going to be true for some people. I also think that there are a lot of people who are not really interested in doing anything in real life at all. They are fantasists who want wank material and would not meet a real Domme for a cup of coffee in a busy Starbucks. Scammers allow their targets to feed the fantasy of a promise of an eventual meeting at some undefined point in the future that deep down they know is never going to happen. With a Pro session then a meeting is definitely happening at a date, time and place that is agreed in the first exchange of emails. Great for someone who is actually interested in doing what is agreed. Not so good for wankers.


Well, yeah...I absolutely agree with you on that-there are people who just get off on the thrill of it and have no intention of meeting but I was basing my response to the OP's previous posting history as he claims that he is actively looking for someone for real time interaction and keeps getting fucked over in the process, whether it's someone who doesn't respond to his messages (he's very entitled) or someone who just doesn't want to meet him.

For all we know, you can be absolutely correct and this could just be a fantasy of his as he has no intention of meeting anyone.

But it's been my personal experience with those who want a no strings attached scenario try to justify their behavior by whining about how a Pro-Domme session is not sincere enough and cheapened by the transactional aspect, or how they are all scammers because they demand compensation for time when the real reason is because the abilty to control falls out of their hands and into the hands of the Pro-Domme.

And yes, I am aware of real scammers being out there but that's another debate all together. I'm merely discussing the OP and not taking his own advice.

I hate to put it so bluntly but money is the great equalizer. When time and effort is negotiated through money, the chances of being able to manipulate the situation when it's already put upfront as an hourly transaction becomes weaker as opposed to "a nice dinner" (as the OP has offered in is profile) where time and effort can be malipulated for the OP's gain.



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RE: scammers - 2/5/2017 7:21:41 AM   
Diffident


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Status: offline 		There was a time when I would not have been able to afford a Pro-Domme session, certainly not on a regular basis, and "It's not sincere anyway" sounds like the sort of pish that I might have come out with back then to make myself feel better about that. A sort of psychological defence mechanism to diminish what is outwith my means. Of course, once my money problems were sorted out and that stopped being an issue then I just needed a little push to start booking Pro sessions and have not looked back. I suspect that this lies behind quite a lot of the bad attitudes that Pro-Dommes get, at least from the sub-male part of the population. Of course there are also raging narcissists within the scene as well, which would seem to be the sort of person who you are talking about, but I cannot speak about them as I hope that I am not one of them and have thankfully little experience of having to deal with them.

I haven't read the Ops Profile. He talked about giving a tribute to someone who vanished in the opening post. How can he not know that someone who is not a Pro asking him for money is going to be a scammer? It's so bloody obvious. There's even a warning on the page telling him not to do it, and as you pointed out, he himself warned about not doing it on another thread. This is why I doubt that he is serious. He simply cannot be that stupid, so must have chosen to give money to a scammer rather than to a woman who would actually meet him. There's also another poster who sometimes pops up here who usually makes me wonder if being scammed is some sort of fetish he has. Maybe age has made me cynical, but I do think that people who are actually interested in meeting someone will tend to actually go out and meet someone.

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RE: scammers - 2/5/2017 8:03:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is nowadays a scammers paradise website.

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RE: scammers - 2/5/2017 9:13:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissKatya

quote:

ORIGINAL: johnsk

Is this the place to report a scammer, one who takes your tribute, disappears and fails to provide agreed upon services? I am thinking it would be a good thing to keep them from doing this to others or to have them removed from the site.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_4968824/mpage_4/key_/tm.htm#4971187

Considering that you posted this a few months back, I'm going to assume that you didn't take your own advice and sent money in advance, rather than meeting in person?






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RE: scammers - 2/5/2017 12:08:51 PM   
stef


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ORIGINAL: servilevocation

This is nowadays a scammers paradise website.

Why can't your army of sockpuppet accounts do something about them? Save us!

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RE: scammers - 2/6/2017 4:07:04 AM   
LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
Me too. It is baffling. I can only speculate that the anonymity of online contact through CollarSpace and other sites makes people feel more comfortable. Like a layer of insulation. Compared to registering with or talking with and using a listing service to book with a pro. More details might feel like more human contact... more intimate and more exposed. That is my best guess.

I get that impression from hearing how many submissives don't explain themselves or truly get an understand of the Domme they are interested in. They don't do the work of completely informing a Domme about their desires, limits or preferences and then come complain on these forums. Like they expect the Domme to telepathic. Some superimpose their fantasies onto what the Domme says, even if they have to bend reality to interpret what was said so they hear it the way they want to. At least it looks that way to me from what I read in posts here.

LadyPact, it great to see you are still here contributing to these forums. It is a better and more informative place because of your presence. :)


That last part was very sweet of you to say, RS. Thank you.

I think that's one of the possibilities. At the same time, I think some of this comes from folks not wanting to do their due diligence and/or they are so cheap that they are falling for folks who are advertising prices that aren't anywhere close to what the going rate of a decent professional would actually be. Then, they are surprised when this cut rate person doesn't provide the service.

It's really not a case of, if a person ASKED how to go about booking a session, that people on the forums wouldn't help them out. Lacking that, I have trouble conjuring up sympathy when these things happen.




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