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heavyblinker -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 9:33:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Attacking Trump isn't the same thing as defending China.
And China hasn't been a communist state since the 70s.

It's still very dictatorial over there. And government has alot of power to get away with many things that involves making random people who speak against them disappear.
You aren't attacking Trump. You are saying that Trump is risking to piss off China and start a war with China.

Yet you criticise him for being friends with Putin. Why would you want him to be friends with China who is just as oppressive as Putin?

Personally, Trump is cosying with Putin because Russia supports China and he is trying to weaken China by stealing their BFF, Russia, from them.

Why do you want America to bow down to China for?


China is a state capitalist nation... and yes, it is not a democracy in any sense.

The relationship between China and the US isn't totally friendly OR openly antagonistic. YES I am attacking Trump because he is pushing it more towards open antagonism by threatening trade wars and using extremely hostile rhetoric.

You are a fucking child if you seriously think that the only 2 options available here are KILL THEM ALL or BOW DOWN, and yet Trump seems to be advocating the former with China and the latter with Russia, and apparently so are you.

Russia isn't a democracy either... and neither is Singapore.




Greta75 -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 9:36:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
You are a fucking child if you seriously think that the only 2 options available here are KILL THEM ALL or BOW DOWN, and yet Trump seems to be advocating the former with China and the latter with Russia, and apparently so are you.

Russia isn't a democracy either... and neither is Singapore.


Singapore is definitely a democracy. I live here and our government listens to us. Even more so than your American government. Everything we want gets implemented and we have alot of say in what goes on in our country. I definitely feel like we have more democracy here. And our popular vote wins. Like what you Libs wanted.

But the real child is you. Since Trump has never stated that he has a plan to "kill them all" in China.

He wants to kill China through trade. Not through physical violence.

And he wants to buddy up with Russia, so that, in case China wants violence against the US, their BFF would be on US's side.

Simple strategy.

Don't forget US is already in bed with the most heinous killers, the Saudi Arabians. And that's throughout Obama's reign.

US foreign policy is always to go to bed with evil people, as long as it serves good economical purposes.

And agreeing with China about Taiwan is Bowing down to China's oppression of another country.

I have so much respect for Trump to not let China bully him into ignoring Taiwan. China been threatening Taiwan with physical violence constantly.




heavyblinker -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 9:44:28 PM)

The only thing that Trump will kill through a trade war with China is the global economy and America's international standing.
You respect Trump because he's too stupid to know that America needs China as much if not more than China needs the US, just like you.

But I'm sure that Russia will save the US... that's a given!




Real0ne -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 9:48:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

It's amazing how the right is milking the election win for all they can get out of it, while simultaneously ignoring just how incompetent Trump is proving himself to be, writing off or ignoring a barrage of blatant lies, accepting the hypocrisy of Trump appointing elites and billionaires to his cabinet, etc.

The country could be getting bombed by Chinese nukes because Trump lost his temper and you'd still be going on and on about how he was better than Hillary and the left lost.



yeh I remember clinton selling them the designs




heavyblinker -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 11:00:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yeh I remember clinton selling them the designs


Especially when you forget to take your medication!




Real0ne -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 11:35:53 PM)

well gw wasnt about to be outdone by clintonians, and posted the complete manufacturing specs on the whitehoutse website for free!

have to give all the asshelmets out here credit though you all sure take your propaganda seriously

carry on [sm=sharepopcorn.gif]




Greta75 -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 11:54:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The only thing that Trump will kill through a trade war with China is the global economy and America's international standing.
You respect Trump because he's too stupid to know that America needs China as much if not more than China needs the US, just like you.

But I'm sure that Russia will save the US... that's a given!

Well, there are alot of third world countries that can do cheap manufacturing ya know.

Not just China.

Infact, Taiwan is one of them. And quality of Taiwan is much superior than China.

And since China don't really buy US products, US got nothing to worry about.

Even iphone is obsolete there, since everybody uses Xiaomi.




Edwird -> RE: Here's the News (2/5/2017 11:59:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that posting about riots by your brothers and sisters ...



They're not my brothers and sisters. I come from a family of eight, I have quite enough of that already.

And there is not a single word in my OP that would indicate I'm in any sympathy with the violence aspect. As for the protests, they are just that, as occurs against any number of things. No surprise here you have such a selective interpretation of the first amendment.

Here's a Dullwit Ribbon for you.





heavyblinker -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 12:08:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Well, there are alot of third world countries that can do cheap manufacturing ya know.

Not just China.

Infact, Taiwan is one of them. And quality of Taiwan is much superior than China.

And since China don't really buy US products, US got nothing to worry about.

Even iphone is obsolete there, since everybody uses Xiaomi.


I was under the impression that the whole point of attacking China on trade is to bring jobs back to America. So the Trump supporters are going to be okay with the jobs going to Taiwan instead? And this is going to happen overnight? I guess the American public's attitude is that as long as it's China that suffers, nothing else matters?

And iPhone is NOT obsolete... you're just making that up. It's a prestige brand, and Xiaomi is a cheap copy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/technology/apple-quarterly-earnings.html
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/27/apple-record-results-china-iphone-sales

The massive trade deficit between the US and China is actually an illusion since American companies who manufacture in China and profit from the cheap labor there count their own products as imports. All of this currency manipulation bullshit has been helping American businesses since they started using China as their personal slave labor work force.

Trump has conveniently shifted the narrative away from wealth redistribution towards xenophobia-- it's not the rich who are ruining your lives with their greed, it's the foreigners! Don't tax the corporations and redistribute their money to people who need it-- blame the Chinese government!

This isn't going to change if you simply move the factories to Vietnam or India... the idiotic American public will just have a new economic boogeyman to hate on. Remember in the 80s when it was Japan? I do... and then the bubble popped and suddenly China is the new threat.




Edwird -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 12:29:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
When I wrote my Thursday column, I worried I might have gone a little overboard with the Nazi references about the political left.


The Nazi party had as much to do with the left as stone tools have to do with fountain pens.

Here's another Dullwit Ribbon for you.

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The 100 million-plus people slaughtered on the altar of various forms of their political philosophy and tactics in the last 100 years haven’t caused them to pause even for a second.


Let me guess: your author included in that 'political philosophy' group the Nazis, and whoever didn't vote for Goldwater, Reagan, Chiang Kai-shek, Atilla the Hun, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Pinochet, and all the shoe salesmen in the world who never sold a pair to Imelda Marcos.

Here's another Dullwit Ribbon for you.

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oh no comrades...


News you can use: just because you and your leftie president are fully on board with the leftie president of a commie country doesn't mean everyone appreciates your assumption as their being your 'comrades' thereby.

I'm all out of anymore Dullwit awards, pardon me while a call in an order for a few thousand more of them.






Greta75 -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 12:36:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Even iphone is obsolete there, since everybody uses Xiaomi.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-is-performing-terribly-in-china-but-its-not-because-of-the-economy-2016-04-27
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I was under the impression that the whole point of attacking China on trade is to bring jobs back to America. So the Trump supporters are going to be okay with the jobs going to Taiwan instead? And this is going to happen overnight? I guess the American public's attitude is that as long as it's China that suffers, nothing else matters?

Actually, the whole point of Trump attacking China is to make them raise their currency to level playing ground. And encourage more manufacturing to go back to the US. No matter what, I can never understand why Germany with currency bigger than the US can be so successful in manufacturing, but people are so skeptical that US cannot reproduce the same.

Ironically, the other day, I was looking at my plates at home on where they were manufactured. Corelle brand. Just realise they were Made in USA. Never knew.

I'm simply saying that if everything backfires with China. You know what is gonna happen? When US place sanctions on China. China will place sanctions on US. US companies will either move back to the US, or move to another third world country. Either way, it won't be the end of the world. Many countries willing to fight for their relocation.

Then it's up to Trump to also offer enough incentives to woo them back.

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And iPhone is NOT obsolete... you're just making that up. It's a prestige brand, and Xiaomi is a cheap copy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/technology/apple-quarterly-earnings.html
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/27/apple-record-results-china-iphone-sales


You are outdated!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-is-performing-terribly-in-china-but-its-not-because-of-the-economy-2016-04-27
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/apples-big-trouble-in-little-china-iphone-7-sales-are-weak-and-revenue-is-down/
http://fortune.com/2016/11/01/apple-iphone-7-sales-china/

UBS found that demand for the iPhone 7 was much lower in China than in the U.S.: Smartphone users who were “very likely” or “somewhat likely” to buy the iPhone 7 fell to 43% from 54% for the 6s and 64% for the 6.

That's largely because Apple (aapl, +0.39%) has lost a significant chunk of users in China to domestic brands like Xiaomi and Huawei. As Apple demand wanes, Chinese competitors are stepping up to offer better products, according to the Wall Street Journal.




bounty44 -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 2:49:48 AM)

an appropriate sequel to my last post in this thread:

"The Left Hates You. Act Accordingly."

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They hate you.

Leftists don’t merely disagree with you. They don’t merely feel you are misguided. They don’t think you are merely wrong. They hate you. They want you enslaved and obedient, if not dead. Once you get that, everything that is happening now will make sense. And you will understand what you need to be ready to do.

You are normal, and therefore a heretic. You refuse to bow to their idols, to subscribe to their twisted catechisms, to praise their false gods. This is unforgivable. You must burn.

Crazy talk? Just ask them. Go ahead. Go on social media. Find a leftist – it’s easy. Just say something positive about America or Jesus and they’ll come swarming like locusts. Engage them and very quickly they will drop their masks and tell you what they really think. I know. I keep a rapidly expanding file of Twitter leftist death wish screenshots.

They will tell you that Christians are idiots and vets are scum.

That normals are subhumans whose role is to labor as serfs to subsidize the progressive elite and its clients.

That you should die to make way for the New Progressive Man/Woman/Other.

Understand that when they call Donald Trump “illegitimate,” what they are really saying is that our desire to govern ourselves is illegitimate. Their beef isn’t with him – it’s with us, the normal people who dared rise up and demand their right to participate in the rule of this country and this culture.

They hate you, because by defying them you have prevented them from living up to the dictates of their false religion. Our rebelliousness has denied them the state of grace they seek, exercising their divine right to dictate every aspect of our puny lives. Their sick faith gives meaning to these secular weirdos, giving them something that fills their empty lives with a messianic fervor to go out and conquer and convert the heathens.

And the heathens are us.

Oh, there are different leftist sects. There are the social justice warriors who have manufactured a bizarre mythology and scripture of oppression, privilege, and intersectionality. Instead of robes, they dress up as genitals and kill babies as a blasphemous sacrament. Then there are the pagan weather religion oddballs convinced that the end is near and that we must repent by turning in our SUVs. Of course, the “we” is really “us” – high priests of the global warming cult like Leonardo DiCaprio will still jet around the world with supermodels while we do the ritual sacrificing of our modern comforts. Then there are the ones who simply worship themselves, the elitists who believe that all wisdom and morality has been invested in them merely because they went to the right college, think the right thoughts, and sneer at anyone living between I-5 and I-95.

But all the leftist sects agree – they have found the revealed truth, and imposing it upon the benighted normals like us is so transcendently important that they are relieved of any moral limitations. They are ISIS, except with hashtags instead of AKs, committed to the establishment of a leftist caliphate.

You wonder why the left is now justifying violence? Because they think that helps them right now. Today it’s suddenly OK to punch a “Nazi.” But the punchline is that anyone who opposes them is a “Nazi.”

You wonder why they ignore the rule of law, why they could switch on a dime from screaming at Trump for refusing to preemptively legitimize a Hillary win and then scream that he is illegitimate the moment she lost? Because their only principle is what helps the left win today. That’s why the media gleefully, happily lies every single day about every single thing it reports. Objectivity? When that stopped being a useful thing, it stopped being a thing at all.

They are fanatics, and by not surrendering, by not kneeling, and by not obeying, you have committed an unpardonable sin. You have defied the Left, and you must be broken. They will take your job, slander your name, even beat or kill you – whatever it takes to break you and terrify others by making you an example. Your defiance cannot stand; they cannot allow this whole Trump/GOP majority thing to get out of control. They must crush this rebellion of the normal, and absolutely nothing is off the table.

We’ve seen them burn UC Berkeley and how the police controlled by the leftist state government of California stood by and watched as Americans were beaten by the mob. Why? Because the government of the State of California approves of the violence. Do you think it’s a coincidence that California is doing everything it can to disarm its normals?

The Left won’t say it out loud – at least not yet – but make no mistake. If violence is what it takes for the Left to prevail, then violence we will have. You saw it, and you were meant to. Berkeley was a message about the price of dissent where leftist hold sway. And they seek to hold sway everywhere

How to we respond?

The first step is to end the denial. Open your eyes. See what is happening. Don’t allow yourself to be deluded by false nostalgia for a past period of cultural peace that existed only because, at that time, the Left was winning. They hate you. Look at Twitter. Look at Facebook. Try and tell yourself that leftists are just nice people who disagree with you on a few policy details. Stop fooling yourself.

Understand that this must get much worse before it can get better. We may wish to stop the cultural/political struggle, but they can’t stop. Their religion tells them we are greedy, racist, sexist, homophobe morons who hate science and love Hitler. How could they tolerate us? How could they ever allow us power?

They can’t. Their sick ideology and false theology requires that we be enslaved or exterminated – we can’t be tolerated, and we certainly can’t be allowed to hold the reins of power. I hoped that my novel People’s Republic, about what lies at the bottom of this blood-soaked slippery slope, would be rendered moot by the GOP’s victory in November. I was wrong. The Left has redoubled its efforts.

So the only outcome is that one side wins and the other loses. There’s no truce to be had, no possibility of a tie. And the frightening thing is that the Left is so foolish, so stuck in its bubble that it has no understanding that it can only push so far before the people with all the guns and all the training push back. That’s the problem with kids who were raised on participation trophies and who never got into a fistfight – they don’t consider the possibility that they will lose, and lose hard.

We must ensure they do. Understand your enemy. Understand that the Left will exploit your principles and morals to make you disarm yourself – figuratively and literally. Don’t play their game; don’t fall for their manufactured outrages. Never concede their lies, never take their side against the people defending your liberty. Most of all, accept the truth that if we let them win we will spend the rest of our lives on our backs with a giant Birkenstock pressed into our collective face.

They hate us. And however they come at us, we need to be prepared to fight.


http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/06/the-left-hates-you-act-accordingly-n2281602




Edwird -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 3:05:44 AM)


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And however they come at us, we need to be prepared to fight.


From what I've seen on this forum and the alt fuckhead media you incessantly refer to, "we need to be prepared to cry" is more like it.




Edwird -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 3:15:06 AM)


When after obtaining victory, the victors then devote untold thousands of pages to anguish and gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands, we have to seriously wonder where all this is going, here.





heavyblinker -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 3:17:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Actually, the whole point of Trump attacking China is to make them raise their currency to level playing ground. And encourage more manufacturing to go back to the US. No matter what, I can never understand why Germany with currency bigger than the US can be so successful in manufacturing, but people are so skeptical that US cannot reproduce the same.


Germany benefits from the EU-- their adoption of the Euro keeps their currency lower than it should be thanks to nations like Greece and Spain, and also allows them to sell to other EU nations. They also focus on specialized and marquee brands... Chinese customers buy a lot of BMWs.

The thing about Germany is that it's a social democracy with a strong welfare system, free education/health care/etc. The US isn't like that... the corporations don't exist to create jobs and improve society, they exist to make money.

I'm sure the economic disaster that would be the result of a US-China trade war would hurt the dollar enough to make US exports cheaper, but recessions/depressions tend to do more harm than good. Not to mention the fact that the US would be losing access the second largest/largest consumer market in the world, and 'made in the USA' isn't any indication of a reliable, prestigious or economical product. So who is going to buy their products, and why buy them when China can offer the same thing but cheaper?

Xiaomi isn't available in the western world because of copyright restrictions... if the US is being openly antagonistic, what reason does China have to respect those restrictions? Why would Mexico? Why would any of the other countries that Trump is antagonizing buy American?

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I'm simply saying that if everything backfires with China. You know what is gonna happen? When US place sanctions on China. China will place sanctions on US. US companies will either move back to the US, or move to another third world country. Either way, it won't be the end of the world. Many countries willing to fight for their relocation.


It won't be the end of the world, just a massive economic downturn. When you kick your biggest trading partner to the curb, things don't just immediately sort themselves out. You're basically starting from scratch.

On top of this, since there are no agreements in place with the other countries, why is America preferable to China? Why would 'another third world country' side with the US over China?




WhoreMods -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 5:16:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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And however they come at us, we need to be prepared to fight.


From what I've seen on this forum and the alt fuckhead media you incessantly refer to, "we need to be prepared to cry" is more like it.

I suppose that's what happens when all of your role models and exemplars of badass right-thinking and manly behaviour are draft dodgers.




mnottertail -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 6:01:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

It's amazing how the right is milking the election win for all they can get out of it, while simultaneously ignoring just how incompetent Trump is proving himself to be, writing off or ignoring a barrage of blatant lies, accepting the hypocrisy of Trump appointing elites and billionaires to his cabinet, etc.

The country could be getting bombed by Chinese nukes because Trump lost his temper and you'd still be going on and on about how he was better than Hillary and the left lost.



yeh I remember clinton selling them the designs

I dont remember that, I do remember some nutsuckers who allowed their corporate masters to sell us out though.




BoscoX -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 7:10:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The Left Hates You. Act Accordingly."



They are like Muslims. They don't all want us dead, just the rabid 25 - 40 percent of them who rise to the top and seize leadership positions. The rest just go along to get along, or are useful idiots, or just stay silent because they know what's good for them




mnottertail -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 7:43:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The Left Hates You. Act Accordingly."



They are like Muslims. They don't all want us dead, just the rabid 25 - 40 percent of them who rise to the top and seize leadership positions. The rest just go along to get along, or are useful idiots, or just stay silent because they know what's good for them


But why is it nutsuckers killing nutsuckers? How many american citizens did Il Douchebagger kill today? Pretty evident that the nutsuckers are trying to murder Americans.




Edwird -> RE: Here's the News (2/6/2017 9:58:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Actually, the whole point of Trump attacking China is to make them raise their currency to level playing ground.


China was in fact taking active measures revalue their currency from ~2004 onwards but the US completely wrecked that effort, and a lot of other things, by way of reckless financial deregulation coming to its inevitable result in 2007-2010. The same deregulation your boy Trump is making every effort to reinstall. But that's the fanatical neocon fantasy way, to implement fantasy in the stead of reality and then blame everybody else for the inevitable train wreck. Round two coming soon to a theater near you.


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No matter what, I can never understand why Germany with currency bigger than the US can be so successful in manufacturing,


Of course you can't. People who live in fantasy world, like Trump voters and supporters, have this notion that higher education is a 'privilege' rather than an essential element of any national economy. In the US, society is considered to exist for purpose of handing over their wealth to the select few (having it wrested from them, as it turns out), whereas in Germany and other Nordic/Germanic countries, consideration is given to benefit of society and thereby the greatest number of individuals. Those same individuals that neocons claim claim they are supporting, while implementing policies working directly against the majority of them.

To the point: higher education in Germany is very low cost, but more essential is that their other post-elementary schools are more specifically geared to training for real jobs. From brick layers to Microsoft Office clericals or book keepers to advanced computer technicians, they've all done the classwork and on-the-job apprenticeships. All of which has a better turnout for both the worker and society (or 'the economy').

Germany actually has a few less college graduates than does the US, because they don't have all these job adverts saying "Must have a bachelors degree" with out even bothering to state the major or concentration. What a ridiculous waste, in the latter case. Germany's education has their other-than-uni graduates much better prepared for real jobs and real life, whereas a US 'High School Diploma" is practically worthless. I can't dig all the numbers out now, but I guarantee that a worker with 10-11 years of education in Germany is better off that a worker with 12-13 years of education in the US.

And THAT is why they are export kings.

The majority of CEOs in Germany have a higher education degree in chemical engineering or materials science or whatever it is their company makes. The overwhelming majority of CEOs in the US have a degree in ... "Business Management."





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