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tamaka -> This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/6/2017 4:56:31 PM)

Israel passes law legalizing thousands of settlement homes
Associated Press
TIA GOLDENBERG 32 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel's parliament on Monday passed a contentious law meant to retroactively legalize thousands of West Bank settlement homes built unlawfully on private Palestinian land, a step that is expected to trigger international outrage and a flurry of lawsuits against the measure.

The explosive law is the latest in a series of pro-settler steps taken by Israel's hard-line government since the election of Donald Trump as U.S. president. He is seen as more sympathetic to Israel's settlement policies than his fiercely critical predecessor, and the Israeli government has approved plans to build thousands of new homes on occupied territory since Trump took office.


"We are voting tonight on our right to the land," Cabinet minister Ofir Akunis said during a stormy debate ahead of the vote. "We are voting tonight on the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."

Critics say the legislation enshrines into law the theft of Palestinian land, and it is expected to be challenged in Israel's Supreme Court. According to the law, Palestinian landowners would be compensated either with money or alternative land, even if they did not agree to give up their property.

The vote passed 60-52 in Israel's 120-member Knesset following a raucous debate in which opposition lawmakers shouted from their seats at governing coalition lawmakers speaking in favor of the vote from the dais. Some legislators supportive of the law took pictures of the plenum during the vote while some spectators in visitors' seats raised black cloth in apparent protest.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had voiced misgivings about the law in the lead-up to vote, reportedly expressing concern that it could lead to international censure and saying he wanted to coordinate with the Trump administration before moving ahead on a vote.

He told reporters on a trip to London that he had updated Washington and was ready to move ahead with the law. He was on his way back from the trip and was not present for the vote.

The White House's immediate response was to refer to its statement last week that said the construction of new settlements "may not be helpful" in achieving an Israeli-Palestinian peace.

David Harris, CEO of AJC, the global Jewish advocacy organization, said: "Israel's High Court can and should reverse this misguided legislation."

"The controversial Knesset action, ahead of Prime Minister Netanyahu's meeting with president Trump in Washington, is misguided and likely to prove counter-productive to Israel's core national interests," he said in a statement.

Netanyahu's attorney general has called the bill unconstitutional and said he won't defend it in the Supreme Court. Critics have warned it could drag Israel into a legal battle at the International Criminal Court at The Hague, Netherlands, which is already pursuing a preliminary examination into settlements.

Among the law's problematic elements is that the West Bank is not sovereign Israeli territory and that Palestinians who live there are not citizens and do not have the right to vote for the government that imposed the law on them.

Palestinians condemned the law.

"This is an escalation that would only lead to more instability and chaos. It is unacceptable. It is denounced and the international community should act immediately," said Nabil Abu Rdeneh, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Netanyahu faced intense pressure from within his nationalist coalition, especially from the pro-settler Jewish Home party, to press ahead with the vote following the court-ordered evacuation last week of the illegal Amona outpost found to have been built on private Palestinian land. Over 40 settler families were forced to leave the 20-year-old outpost, and on Monday construction vehicles demolished and removed the trailer homes that remained behind.

Opposition legislators said Netanyahu's support for the law was a high-stakes risk meant solely to curry favor with settler constituents and their potent political lobby.

"For how many settler votes is Netanyahu willing to pass a law that he admits will drag us to The Hague?" Zehava Galon, leader of the dovish Meretz party, wrote on Facebook ahead of the vote. "The prime minister declares that the legalization bill is dangerous for Israel and instead of standing on his hind legs to stop this shameful law, he presses ahead with it."

After years of condemnations from the Obama administration over settlement construction, Israel's government has ramped up settlement initiatives since Trump took office, announcing plans for some 6,000 new homes in the West Bank and east Jerusalem and promising to build a new settlement for the Amona evacuees.

Trump has signaled a far more accepting approach to settlements, raising hopes in Netanyahu's government that it will be able to step up construction. The White House said little as Netanyahu announced plans during Trump's first two weeks in office to build over 6,000 new settler homes. But after Netanyahu announced his plan to establish a new settlement for the first time in two decades, Trump indicated that he, too, might have his limits.

"While we don't believe the existence of settlements is an impediment to peace, the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal," the White House said.

The Palestinians want the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state. Much of the international community views settlements as illegal and an obstacle to reaching peace with the Palestinians. Shortly before leaving office, President Barack Obama allowed the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution declaring settlements illegal. Obama cited the Israeli outpost legislation as a reason for not vetoing the resolution.

Before the law passed, the U.N. Mideast envoy, Nickolay Mladenov, called on lawmakers to vote against the law, saying that "it will have far-reaching legal consequences for Israel and greatly diminish the prospects for Arab-Israeli peace."

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Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper in Washington and Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report.




Awareness -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/6/2017 8:50:58 PM)

> The Palestinians want the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state.

Fuck the Palestinians. They're the aggressive invaders from Arab lands and should go back where they fucking came from.

Palestinian state my ass - they're fucking Arabs, surrounded by the Arab countries they came from. The only reason they don't go back to those countries and live in peace is because they're irrational war-mongering Jew-hating Islamic nutcases.




Greta75 -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/6/2017 9:10:52 PM)

There is just no solution for this problem.

Israel and Palestinians will never agree on which land belongs to who and neither will respect the decisions the rest of the world, or whatever world courts will make on their behalf to divide their lands between them.

Personally, I think the true peaceful solution is to just pick one side and support that side all the way. I choose Israel because, Jews are minorities compared to Arabs. Just pull support behind the Jews on letting them have whatever land they feel they are entitled to.

Tell all those Palestinians, too bad. Offer a proper relocation plan.

Take those refugees. Resettle them all over the world. They are Arabs.

I mean, there really isn't a country Palestine isn't it? So they don't even have their own country! They are essentially refugees.

To me, this is the most practical solution. BECAUSE there is no fair solution to this problem. Both parties will always feel the current solution and division is unfair.

So just side one party.

And fact is whatever little land the Palestinians have been given, they have shown absolute failure to focus on their own population welfare, but just breeding and encouraging future generations to be raised just to war continuously with Israel. They have proven being unable to even care of the proper welfare of their people and putting their growth and interest first. The big picture! They are not fit to govern themselves. Or be given land to govern among themselves.

When Palestinian become refugees, they can choose to stay under Israel law and choose to accept their new leaders. IF not, they will be the type of refugees that should be relocated all over the world and get assimilated. Their future generations will quit fighting with Israel about their little Palestinian non country anymore. I think they are more interested in building population to work towards one day, conquering Israel.

So take away Palestinian rights to rule among themselves, and relocate them all to live under other countries educational programs and governing.

Problem solved on that little conflict.

In the beginning, the current generation of Palestinians might be outrage. Just need to ride that over. Future generations won't care anymore while they are settled into other countries and into other cultures. And I think they will like it more too eventually. They will live a better life. They will have opportunities to build a better life under better leadership.

It's like how Iranians don't feel like Persians anymore right? Islam assimilated into them. It's almost as IF Persia never existed, all the Persian culture and everything.





Termyn8or -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/7/2017 1:23:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

> The Palestinians want the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state.

Fuck the Palestinians. They're the aggressive invaders from Arab lands and should go back where they fucking came from.

Palestinian state my ass - they're fucking Arabs, surrounded by the Arab countries they came from. The only reason they don't go back to those countries and live in peace is because they're irrational war-mongering Jew-hating Islamic nutcases.


Peole like you are going to cause the shit to hit the fan. Enjoy it when your people die for the Jews, whoo have never done a fucking thing for us, or much anyone else.

Yeah, invaders who were already there. You deserve whatever happens to you. I hope you got kids.

T^T




vincentML -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/7/2017 2:25:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

> The Palestinians want the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state.

Fuck the Palestinians. They're the aggressive invaders from Arab lands and should go back where they fucking came from.

Palestinian state my ass - they're fucking Arabs, surrounded by the Arab countries they came from. The only reason they don't go back to those countries and live in peace is because they're irrational war-mongering Jew-hating Islamic nutcases.


Peole like you are going to cause the shit to hit the fan. Enjoy it when your people die for the Jews, whoo have never done a fucking thing for us, or much anyone else.

Yeah, invaders who were already there. You deserve whatever happens to you. I hope you got kids.

T^T

One had to be asleep or brain dead to have misread the Zionist agenda to remove the indigenous Palestinians from the "promised land." These Israeli apologists will one day in the near future be crying "Oh, we didn't know what was going on."

Ironic, innit?

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tamaka -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/7/2017 3:02:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

> The Palestinians want the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state.

Fuck the Palestinians. They're the aggressive invaders from Arab lands and should go back where they fucking came from.

Palestinian state my ass - they're fucking Arabs, surrounded by the Arab countries they came from. The only reason they don't go back to those countries and live in peace is because they're irrational war-mongering Jew-hating Islamic nutcases.


Peole like you are going to cause the shit to hit the fan. Enjoy it when your people die for the Jews, whoo have never done a fucking thing for us, or much anyone else.

Yeah, invaders who were already there. You deserve whatever happens to you. I hope you got kids.

T^T


What have the Arabs done for us?




jlf1961 -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/7/2017 4:07:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What have the Arabs done for us?




Well, for one thing, the Saudi Arabian and Kuwaiti Arabs have pissed off OPEC more than once by refusing to raise the price of crude oil exported to the US, and increasing production when OPEC wanted to tighten the supply of crude oil on the market to drive the price up.

I mean, at that point it was cheaper to import than develop the tar sand or shale deposits found in North America, and a hell of a lot cheaper and faster than trying to drill the deep deposits that oil drilling companies figured out how to get to in the last decade.

And a Fucking hell of a lot cheaper than trying to drill the oil under the Del Rio plate in south Texas, which produces a crude oil so pure that it is an emerald green in color and does not smell like rancid farts.

The cost to drill an average depth well in the US $717 a foot to a depth of 18000 feet, or 10000 feet down and 8000 feet lateral drift.

Anything beyond 18000 feet, the price basically triples every hundred feet. The cost of the deepest natural gas wells drilled in the US ran into the 10's of millions in the 80's and only now have begun to pay for their production.

Some of the recent deposits found in North America are almost 40000 feet deep, and would take a little over five years of drilling to tap.

The Del Rio plate deposit is not as deep but it presents its own, unique, problem. The bedrock of the plate is heavily fractured, so for every ten feet after hitting bedrock, the well has to be cemented at depth, then they drill through the cement. So for a deposit that is just over 17000 feet down, you are looking at a cost similar to drilling a well 30000 feet deep.

So a few oil producing Arab countries have done stuff for us.

But seriously, they could probably save themselves a lot of grief if they told the US to fuck off and jack the price of oil to the point we cant afford to buy it.




Termyn8or -> RE: This whole land is ours. All if it. (2/7/2017 4:25:52 PM)

jlf, I hope you know who was the impetus for the forming of OPEC. Might have to do a little digging...

T^T




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