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tamaka -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/8/2017 6:19:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: What's with all the hysteria? Not just difference of opinion -- hysteria. It is the way a demagogue shepherd guides his sheep. [:'(] Actually it's the media doing most of the hype. It's all about ratings.

jlf1961 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/8/2017 7:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR NONE of you guys repudiated the points of Muslims could attack any moment. Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Muslim On January 25, 1993 Pakistani national Mir Aimal Kansi shot CIA employees in their cars as they were waiting at a stoplight, killing two and injuring three others. He reportedly got angry watching news reports of attacks on Muslims and stated his motive was that he was "angry with the policy of the U.S. government in the Middle East, particularly toward the Palestinian people". Christian anti abortionist On March 10, 1993, American Michael Frederick Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida, shooting him three times in the back. Reportedly he yelled, "Don't kill any more babies," just before the shooting. Christian White Supremacist On August 6, 1993 American Neo Nazi Jonathan Preston Haynes shot and killed Wilmette, Illinois plastic surgeon Dr. Martin Sullivan, claiming that he wanted to warn the world about the coming extinction of Aryans. Haynes also confessed to the unsolved 1987 killing of San Francisco hair-colorist Frank Ringi. Christian sovereign citizens On October 4, 1993 Lynda Lyon Block and common-law husband George Sibley Jr., members of the American Patriot Movement on the run from a domestic abuse charge, shot and killed Opelika, Alabama police Sergeant Roger Motley while officer Motley was performing a welfare check on the family. Muslim, anti Jew On March 1, 1994 on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City, Lebanese-born immigrant Rashid Baz shot at a van of 15 Chabad-Lubavitch Orthodox Jewish students that was traveling on the bridge, killing one and injuring three others.[38] Christian anti abortionist On July 29, 1994 Dr. John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett were killed by American anti-abortion extremist Paul Jennings Hill with a shotgun blast to their heads. Mr. Barrett's wife June, a retired nurse, was injured in the attack. Hill was sentenced to death by lethal injection and was executed on September 3, 2003.[39] Christian White Supremacist On September 16, 1994 white supremacist, anti-government extremist, and self-proclaimed assassin for the Citizens for the Kingdom of Christ Timothy Thomas Coombs shot Missouri Highway Patrol Corporal Bobbie J. Harper through the chest in the kitchen of his McDonald County, Missouri home. Colonel Fred Mills, chief of the Missouri Highway Patrol, later says he believes Harper is shot in retaliation for an incident three months earlier, when Harper and other officers arrested Robert N. Joos on charges of "simulating legal process" for serving "people's court" papers. Coombs was never caught.[40] Christian anti abortionist On December 30, 1994 anti-abortion extremist John C. Salvi III carried out fatal shootings at two Planned Parenthood reproductive health clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts, killing two and wounding five.[41] Christian sovereign citizens [code][/code] Timothy McVeigh is often given as a classic example of the "lone wolf". McVeigh was convicted and executed for the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people and injured hundreds with a truck bomb. Though McVeigh conceived of, planned and carried out the bombing, he did not act totally alone. Terry Nichols was convicted of conspiring with him, though his involvement was limited to helping mix the fertilizer and other bomb ingredients; McVeigh had threatened to harm him and his family if he did not help. Between 1978 and 1995, Theodore Kaczynski, known as the "Unabomber", engaged in a mail bombing campaign that killed three and wounded 23. He threatened to continue the bombings unless his anti-industrial manifesto was published by the New York Times, which acquiesced. Religion Unkown On October 9, 1995 an unknown saboteur pulled spikes from the rails and overrode the railroad's safety system near Palo Verde, Arizona, causing the Sunset Limited train to derail, killing Mitchell Bates, a sleeping car attendant, and injuring 78 passengers, 12 of them seriously. Four identical notes signed "Sons of the Gestapo" claiming to be from an anti-government, anti-police terror cell were found at the accident site.[42] No one has been arrested for the crime.[43] Christian anti abortionist Between 1996 and 1998, Eric Rudolph engaged in a series of bombings against civilians in the Southern United States, resulting in the deaths of three people and injuries to at least 150 others. His targets included abortion clinics, gay nightclubs, and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.[44] Some people have called him a Christian Identity adherent, a claim Eric flatly denies in his writings. Christian White Supremacist On April 12, 1996 anti-government white supremacist Larry Shoemake shoots eight African-Americans from an abandoned Jackson, Mississippi restaurant before committing suicide.[45] Christian anti abortionist Between 1996 and December 2001 anti-abortion extremist Clayton Waagner sent envelopes to more than 500 abortion providers containing a white powder and a note which said, "You have been exposed to anthrax. We are going to kill all of you. From the Army of God, Virginia Dare Chapter." For the anthrax letter spree, he received a 53-count indictment, and on December 3, 2003, he was convicted on 51 of the 53 counts, including charges of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, threatening the use of weapons of mass destruction, and mailing threatening communications. He was sentenced to 19 years in a federal prison.[46] Christian anti abortionist On January 16, 1997 anti-abortion extremist Eric Rudolph set two bombs to explode, one an hour after the first, destroying the Sandy Springs Professional Building in Atlanta, Georgia, containing the Atlanta Northside Family Planning Service. The second blast is apparently designed to injure or kill responders such as firemen, paramedics, and others responding to the first blast. Seven people are injured in the blasts.[47] Christian sovereign citizens On August 19, 1997, self-declared sovereign citizen Carl Drega opened fire on two New Hampshire state troopers following a traffic stop, killing both of them. Drega then stole one of the officers' Police Car, drove to the office of Colebrook, New Hampshire District Court judge Vickie Bunnell, shooting her in the back when she tried to flee, then shot & killed Dennis Joos, editor of the local Colebrook News and Sentinel, as he attempted to disarm Drega after Bunnell fell. Drega then returned to his property and set his house on fire, and wounded three other law enforcement officers before being shot to death in a firefight with police.[48] Muslim On February 23, 1997, Ali Hassan Abu Kamal opened fire in the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing one and wounding six others before committing suicide.[49][50] Christian sovereign citizens On March 26, 1997 Michigan Militia activist Brendon Blasz is arrested for plotting to bomb the federal building in Battle Creek, Michigan, the IRS building in Portage, Michigan, a Kalamazoo television station, and federal armories.[51] Christian white supremacist On April 23, 1997 Neo-Nazi National Alliance member Todd Vanbiber is arrested with a dozen or so pipe bombs after accidentally setting off one he was building. The bombs were part of a series of bank robberies Vanbiber was carrying out to help fund the National Alliance.[52] Christian white supremacist During the weekend of July 2–4, 1998, white supremacist, and member of the white separatist organization now known as the Creativity Movement, Benjamin Nathaniel Smith embarked upon a three-day, two-state shooting spree, targeting racial and religious minorities across Illinois and Indiana. Smith also shot at but missed another nine people. On Sunday, July 4, while fleeing the police in a high-speed chase on a southern Illinois highway, Smith shot himself twice in the head and crashed his automobile into a metal post. He then shot himself again, in the heart, this time fatally. He was later pronounced dead at the hospital.[53] Christian anti abortionist On October 23, 1998 anti-abortion extremist James Charles Kopp assassinated Dr. Barnett Slepian as Dr. Slepian made his son soup in their kitchen after attending his father's funeral. The FBI notes that Dr. Slepian's assassination bears much similarity to shootings in the Rochester, New York area, and three Canadian cities during the fall of 1997, in which abortion doctors were shot in their homes. Kopp has been charged by Canadian authorities in the 1995 shooting of an Ontario, Canada doctor, Hugh Short, one of a string of Remembrance Day Shootings.[54] Christian sovereign citizens On October 29, 1998 sovereign citizen Scott Joseph Merrill shot a county road worker in Emery County, Utah in an ambush-style attack.[55] Merrill claimed that he acted on a commandment from God to kill the county road worker, believing this commandment to supersede Utah law.[56] Christian white supremacist On January 29, 1999, white supremacist Paul Warner Powell killed 16-year-old Stacie Reed because he was angry that she had a black boyfriend. Powell then waited, for Stacie's 14-year-old sister, Kristie Reed, to come home from school. When she did, Powell raped her, slashed her throat, stabbed her, and left her for dead. Kristie survived the attack and was able to testify against Powell.[57] Christian white supremacist On April 3, 1999 Neo-Nazi skinhead Jessy Joe Roten fired shots into the home of a multi-racial family in St. Petersburg, Florida, killing 6-year-old Ashley Mance and the wounding of her twin sister Aleesha and younger half-sister Jailene Jones.[58] Christian sovereign citizens On May 15, 1999, anti-government extremist Kim Michael Cook shot & killed Palmer, Alaska police officer James Rowland Jr. during a welfare check. Authorities believe that Cook killed the officer in ambush because of his hatred of law enforcement.[59] Christian white supremacist On August 10, 1999, Buford O. Furrow, Jr., a member of the white supremacist group Aryan Nations, attacked a Jewish daycare in Los Angeles, injuring five, and subsequently shot dead a Filipino American mail carrier. Christian white supremacist On April 28, 2000, white supremacist Richard Scott Baumhammers began a racially motivated crime spree in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania which left five individuals dead and one paralyzed. Baumhammers was pulled over in his Jeep and arrested at 3:30 p.m. EST in the town of Ambridge, Pennsylvania. Baumhammers' spree lasted two hours and ran a 15-mile trail that crossed three townships.[60] Muslim On October 13, 2000 Palestinian American Ramses "Ramzi" Uthman set an arson fire in the Temple Beth El in Syracuse, New York, causing extensive damage to the temple building. According to an acquaintance's testimony, after Uthman set fire to the Temple, he yelled "I did this for you, God!"[61] Christian sovereign citizens In May 2002, Lucas John Helder placed a series of 18 pipe bombs packed with BBs and nails in mailboxes across the US, rigging to explode as the mailboxes were opened, injuring 6, including 4 mail carriers. Helder sent a manifesto to The Badger Herald of the University of Wisconsin–Madison decrying government control of our daily lives, complaining of the illegality of marijuana, and promoting astral projection as a method to reach a higher level of consciousness.[62] Muslim On July 4, 2002, Egyptian-American Hesham Mohamed Hadayet opened fire at an El Al ticket stand at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), killing two. Muslim On March 3, 2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove a Jeep Cherokee into a crowd of students at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, injuring nine people. Press accounts said that he "matches the modern profile of the unaffiliated, lone-wolf terrorist"[63] Muslim On July 28, 2006, Naveed Afzal Haq, saying "I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel", perpetrated the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, killing one woman and wounding five others. Christian white supremacist On July 27, 2008 Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others. After his arrest, Adkisson said that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals.[64] Christian anti abortionist On May 31, 2009, anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder murdered obstetrician George Tiller.[65] Christian white supremacist On June 10, 2009 White Supremacist, Holocaust denier, and Neo-Nazi James Wenneker von Brunn drove his car to the 14th Street entrance of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, shooting Museum Special Police Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns when he opened the door, killing him. Two other Special Police Officers stationed with Officer Johns, Harry Weeks and Jason "Mac" McCuiston, returned fire, wounding von Brunn with a shot to the face. While awaiting trial, von Brunn died on January 6, 2010.[66] 2010 On February 18, 2010, Joseph Andrew Stack III flew a small personal plane into an office complex containing an IRS office in Austin, Texas after posting a manifesto on his website stating his anti-government motives and burning his house. One person other than Stack died; 13 were injured. On March 4, 2010, John Patrick Bedell, a self-proclaimed Libertarian and 9/11 truther, shot and wounded two Pentagon police officers at a security checkpoint in the Pentagon Station of the Washington Metro rapid transit system in Arlington County, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C. The officers returned fire, striking him in the head. He died a few hours later, on the next day, March 5, 2010. Christian white supremacist On May 10, 2010, Sandlin Matthew Smith set off a pipe bomb at the rear entrance of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida. No one is injured in the attack, but authorities found remnants of the pipe bomb at the scene, and shrapnel from the blast was found a hundred yards away. FBI agents later learned Smith was staying in a tent in Glass Mountain State Park in northwest Oklahoma. When approached by federal and state law enforcement officers Smith drew a firearm, and was fatally shot.[67][68] Christian white supremacist On July 18, 2010, 45-year-old convicted felon Byron Williams was stopped by a CHP officer for speeding & weaving through traffic on I-580 in Oakland, California. After being approached by the officer, Williams or the officer began firing with a handgun. As additional CHP officers arrived on scene Williams started firing an M1A .308 rifle, and the CHP returned fire, firing a collective 198 rounds from pistols, shotguns, and .223 rifles, hitting Williams multiple times in the arms & legs. Oakland police confirmed at Williams’ July 20 arraignment that Williams planned to target the San Francisco offices of the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California and the Tides Foundation. Investigators reported Williams told them he wanted to "start a revolution by traveling to San Francisco and killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU."[69] On August 17, 2010, 29-year-old Patrick Gray Sharp parked his truck and trailer in front of the Texas Department of Public Safety building in McKinney, Texas about 30 miles north of Dallas. Sharp set fire to the truck, which contained spare ammunition, and attempted to set fire to the trailer, which was believed to contain an improvised explosive device. Sharp then opened fire on the building's offices and windows, on employees who were outside, and on first responders with multiple firearms. Responding police returned fire, and when they reached Sharp found him dead of a gunshot.[70] On September 1, 2010, James J. Lee, an Anti-immigrant environmental activist armed with two starter pistols and an explosive device, took three people hostage inside of the Discovery Communications headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland. Mr. Lee was shot & killed by police after a 4-hour standoff.[71] Christian anti abortionist On September 2, 2010 school bus driver and self-proclaimed member of the "American Nationalist Brotherhood" Donny Eugene Mower threw a Molotov Cocktail through the window of the Madera Planned Parenthood Clinic. After being arrested Mower also acknowledged having vandalized a local mosque.[72] Muslim On November 26, 2010, Somali-American student Mohamed Osman Mohamud is arrested by the FBI in a sting operation after attempting to set off what he thought was a car bomb at a Christmas tree lighting in Portland, Oregon. He was charged with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. On November 28, 2010, 24-year-old Cody Seth Crawford firebombed the Salman Al-Farisi Islamic Center in Corvallis, Oregon in response to Mohamed Osman Mohamud's attempted car bombing of a Portland, Oregon Christmas tree lighting.[73] 2011 Christian white supremacist On January 17, 2011, a Neo-Nazi and racist with connections to the National Alliance, Kevin William Harpham, placed a radio-controlled pipe bomb on the route of that year's Martin Luther King Jr. memorial march. The bomb was discovered before it was exploded, the parade was rerouted, and the bomb defused.[74] On July 21, 2011, Sovereign Citizen Joseph M. Tesi was stopped by a Colleyville, Texas Police officer for multiple traffic warrants. Mr. Tesi exited his vehicle with a gun drawn and pointing at the officer, the officer drew his weapon in response, and there was an exchange of gunfire, during which Mr.Tesi was struck in the face & foot.[75] Mr. Tesi, a member of the Moorish National Republic Sovereign Citizen movement, had previously sent letters to the court about his traffic warrants threatening to use "deadly force" if any Police officer attempted to arrest him on his own property.[76] 2012 Christian sovereign citizens On April 1, 2012 Francis G. Grady put an incendiary device in a window of the Grand Chute, Wisconsin Planned Parenthood clinic, causing a small fire which damaged the building but injured no one.[77] On June 17, 2012 fugitive tax protester Anson Chi accidentally injured himself while attempting to blow up a Plano, Texas natural gas pipeline. Police officers find an explosive device, bomb making chemicals & equipment, and books on terrorism in his bedroom in his parents house.[78] Christian white supremacist On August 5, 2012 40-year-old white supremacist and neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page took his life by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer. 2013 Muslim On April 15, 2013, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev set off two pressure cooker bombs at the finish line of the 2013 Boston Marathon, killing three people and wounding over 260 others. Christian sovereign citizens On November 1, 2013 Paul Anthony Ciancia, aged 23, is accused of opening fire in Terminal 3 of the Los Angeles International Airport with a .223-caliber Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle, killing a U.S. Federal Transportation Security Administration officer and injuring several other people. After the shooting ended, Ciancia was found to be carrying a note stating that he "wanted to kill TSA" and describing them as "pigs".[79] The note also mentioned "fiat currency" and "NWO", the latter likely being a reference to the New World Order conspiracy theory. 2014 Christian white supremacist On April 13, 2014 Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., former leader of the White Patriot Party, advocate of white nationalism, white separatism, and a proponent of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, opened fire at a Jewish Community Center and at a retirement home in Overland Park, Kansas, killing 3.[80] Christian sovereign citizens On June 6, 2014 sovereign citizen Dennis Marx drove up to the Forsyth County, Georgia court house with a rented SUV full of improvised explosives, guns, ammunition, smoke grenades, and supplies, while wearing body armor and more explosive devices, ostensibly to plead guilty to charges of possessing marijuana with the intent to distribute. Mr. Marx was spotted by Forsyth County Sheriff Deputy James Rush while the deputy was performing a routine security sweep outside the court house, exchanged gunfire with Mr. Marx, the sound of which alerted deputies within the court house, 8 of whom opened fire on Mr. Marx, killing him.[81] Christian sovereign citizens On June 8, 2014 anti-government conspiracy theorists & former Bundy Ranch protesters Jerad and Amanda Miller shot & killed two Las Vegas police officers at a restaurant before fleeing into a Walmart, where they killed an intervening armed civilian. The couple died after engaging responding officers in a shootout; police shot and killed Jerad, while Amanda committed suicide after being wounded.[82] Christian sovereign citizens On August 11, 2014 Sovereign Citizen Douglas Lee LeGuin started a dumpster fire in an upscale Dallas suburb, planning to occupy a house there as his own sovereign nation, opening fire on fire & police first responders before surrendering to SWAT officers.[83] Muslim On October 23, 2014 in the 2014 New York City hatchet attack, a radicalized Islamic convert, Zale F. Thompson, charged at 4 NYPD officers with a hatchet. He injured 2 of them, and the two that weren't affected shot him to death.[84] Christian white supremacist On November 28, 2014 self-proclaimed member of the Phineas Priesthood Larry Steve McQuilliams went into downtown Austin, Texas with firebombs, and improvised explosive devices firing over 100 shots into the Austin Police headquarters, the Federal Courthouse, the Mexican Consulate (which he also attempted to firebomb), and a local bank, before being killed by a mounted Austin Police officer with a 1 handed 312 feet shot through the heart.[85] 2015 Muslim On May 3, 2015, two men fired rifles outside an exhibit featuring cartoon images of Muhammad at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas. A security officer was injured and the men were killed by police.[86] Muslim On November 4, 2015, Faisal Mohammed stabbed and injured four people with a hunting knife on the campus of the University of California, Merced in Merced, California. He was then shot dead by university police. Mohammad's history was put under investigation by federal authorities due to questions raised about possible Islamism inspired lone wolf terrorism.[87] The Federal Bureau of Investigation eventually concluded that Mohammad was inspired to commit the attack by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[88] Muslim On December 2, 2015, in the 2015 San Bernardino attack, 14 people were killed and 22 injured in an Islamic extremism-inspired mass shooting at San Bernardino, California, United States. A married couple, Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, attacked the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health training event and holiday party with assault rifles.[citation needed] 2016 Msulim On June 12, 2016, in the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old Muslim American of Afghan descent, opened fire at the Pulse gay nightclub, killing 49 people and wounding 53 others. He pledged allegiance to ISIL before the attack.[89][90] Muslim On September 17–19, 2016, there were four bombings or bombing attempts in Seaside Park, New Jersey; Manhattan, New York; and Elizabeth, New Jersey. Thirty-one civilians were injured in one of the bombings. Ahmad Khan Rahami was identified as a suspect in all of the incidents and apprehended on September 19 in Linden, New Jersey, after a shootout that injured three police officers.[91] According to authorities, Rahami was not part of a terrorist cell, but was motivated and inspired by the extremist Islamic ideology espoused by al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda chief propagandist Anwar al-Awlaki.[92] Muslim On November 28, 2016, in the 2016 Ohio State University attack, a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at 9:52 a.m. EST at Ohio State University (OSU)'s Watts Hall in Columbus, Ohio. The attacker, Somali refugee Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was shot and killed by the first responding OSU police officer, and 11 people were hospitalized for injuries. According to authorities, Artan was inspired by terrorist propaganda from the Islamic State and radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.[93] Even the Department of Homeland security admits that the bigger threat within the US is still home grown anti government and racist organizations. The membership of Neo Nazi and other militant white supremacist organizations numbers almost 500,000, with the Sovereign Citizen movement with an equal number. This does not count the hundreds of so called "Christian Militia" groups that have sprung up since the Clinton administration, the majority hold anti-secular government views and wish to establish a Christian Federal Government. So, in all honesty, the United States has more than enough domestic terrorists to worry about, Muslim, Christian and other groups. Then of course there is always the chance of some lone gunman going on a rampage.

BoscoX -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/8/2017 7:36:25 PM)
You are a moron. Christian text and laws forbid violence, Muslim texts (including 109 passages in the Koran) and laws demands violence. Any time you post that a "Christian" committed violence, he was acting against his alleged religion. The Muslim cult members however, are doing what they are taught is required to please Allah when they commit violence And Christians number in the hundreds of millions here. They are 80 - 90 percent of the population. Muslims, less than 1 percent - but they kill far more in religiously motivated attacks than Christians by at least 3000% since the year 2000 You have been told this before but you are obviously far too stupid to be able to understand any of it

Greta75 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 12:27:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Really? Are these men you mentioned calling out to world wide Christians to go out and kill and bomb, and cause some damage to non-Christians? I don't see how is this the same as ISIS. Where they are calling out to Muslims world wide to fulfill their duty to Islam and ACT. And the fact that Muslims EVERYWHERE, responds to their call. Tells me, we are all living in time bombs. Because of the difficulty of identifying who are the ones who are heeding the call. The Christians who are doing it do not have a worldwide organised group planning all these attacks or encouraging them to do their Christian duty and perform all these attacks.

jlf1961 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 1:52:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Really? Are these men you mentioned calling out to world wide Christians to go out and kill and bomb, and cause some damage to non-Christians? I don't see how is this the same as ISIS. Where they are calling out to Muslims world wide to fulfill their duty to Islam and ACT. And the fact that Muslims EVERYWHERE, responds to their call. Tells me, we are all living in time bombs. Because of the difficulty of identifying who are the ones who are heeding the call. The Christians who are doing it do not have a worldwide organised group planning all these attacks or encouraging them to do their Christian duty and perform all these attacks. We were talking about the United States. Did you even read the list of home grown terrorist attacks in the US that I posted. Notice anything? Muslim related attacks are not the majority you stupid fool. But, why not look at some of the stuff that has happened in your own part of the world. The Tamils, The ongoing conflict in Borneo, Myanmar, the Sikh-Hindu violence of India. Funny thing is that the problem in those areas have little do to with Islam.

BoscoX -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 4:10:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Really? Are these men you mentioned calling out to world wide Christians to go out and kill and bomb, and cause some damage to non-Christians? I don't see how is this the same as ISIS. Where they are calling out to Muslims world wide to fulfill their duty to Islam and ACT. And the fact that Muslims EVERYWHERE, responds to their call. Tells me, we are all living in time bombs. Because of the difficulty of identifying who are the ones who are heeding the call. The Christians who are doing it do not have a worldwide organised group planning all these attacks or encouraging them to do their Christian duty and perform all these attacks. We were talking about the United States. Did you even read the list of home grown terrorist attacks in the US that I posted. Notice anything? Muslim related attacks are not the majority you stupid fool. But, why not look at some of the stuff that has happened in your own part of the world. The Tamils, The ongoing conflict in Borneo, Myanmar, the Sikh-Hindu violence of India. Funny thing is that the problem in those areas have little do to with Islam. You are totally lost. You have to work at it to be so ignorant Here's a list of world conflicts. 95% involve Muslims Of the bloodiest, most by far involve Muslims - except for the Mexicans (who idiot extremists also want flooding in here) also made the top five

Musicmystery -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 6:49:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Really? Are these men you mentioned calling out to world wide Christians to go out and kill and bomb, and cause some damage to non-Christians? I don't see how is this the same as ISIS. Where they are calling out to Muslims world wide to fulfill their duty to Islam and ACT. And the fact that Muslims EVERYWHERE, responds to their call. Tells me, we are all living in time bombs. Because of the difficulty of identifying who are the ones who are heeding the call. The Christians who are doing it do not have a worldwide organised group planning all these attacks or encouraging them to do their Christian duty and perform all these attacks. We were talking about the United States. Did you even read the list of home grown terrorist attacks in the US that I posted. Notice anything? Muslim related attacks are not the majority you stupid fool. But, why not look at some of the stuff that has happened in your own part of the world. The Tamils, The ongoing conflict in Borneo, Myanmar, the Sikh-Hindu violence of India. Funny thing is that the problem in those areas have little do to with Islam. The hysteria displayed. Speculation, what ifs and could bes replacing actual evidence and intel. Let alone any sense of proportion. But the speculation justifies any measure necessary. Meanwhile, the actual solutions are gathered back at reality.

BoscoX -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:11:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why? Sure a Muslim could go out and pull a terrorist attack. However, given the number of 'homegrown' terrorist organizations in the US that the conservatives seem to forget until some racists shoots up a black church or some Christian decides to murder an abortion doctor or blow up an abortion clinic, it is just as likely a non Muslim lone wolf terrorist might do something just as deadly. The conservatives conveniently forget the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, but here is something that might help: Really? Are these men you mentioned calling out to world wide Christians to go out and kill and bomb, and cause some damage to non-Christians? I don't see how is this the same as ISIS. Where they are calling out to Muslims world wide to fulfill their duty to Islam and ACT. And the fact that Muslims EVERYWHERE, responds to their call. Tells me, we are all living in time bombs. Because of the difficulty of identifying who are the ones who are heeding the call. The Christians who are doing it do not have a worldwide organised group planning all these attacks or encouraging them to do their Christian duty and perform all these attacks. We were talking about the United States. Did you even read the list of home grown terrorist attacks in the US that I posted. Notice anything? Muslim related attacks are not the majority you stupid fool. But, why not look at some of the stuff that has happened in your own part of the world. The Tamils, The ongoing conflict in Borneo, Myanmar, the Sikh-Hindu violence of India. Funny thing is that the problem in those areas have little do to with Islam. The hysteria displayed. Speculation, what ifs and could bes replacing actual evidence and intel. Let alone any sense of proportion. But the speculation justifies any measure necessary. Meanwhile, the actual solutions are gathered back at reality. Which new level of mourning is this? It appears almost as if your wording was created by a random sentence generator

Musicmystery -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:27:29 AM)
Look up "mourning." You've got some catching up to do. [image]https://m.popkey.co/b91743/DQ3Rx.gif[/image]

bounty44 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:28:43 AM)
here's a little bit more to add to what you already said (which really should be the end of the story): quote: You are a moron. Christian text and laws forbid violence, Muslim texts (including 109 passages in the Koran) and laws demands violence. Any time you post that a "Christian" committed violence, he was acting against his alleged religion. that big copy/paste list that he used, for which he conveniently did not leave a reference, is interesting in a number of regards. all the font in blue and red are of his own reckoning (or someone else's) that is, they do not appear in what (so far) ive been able to determine as the original text. heres an example: "Christian white supremacist On August 5, 2012 40-year-old white supremacist and neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page took his life by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer." and here's the (seeming) original: "On August 5, 2012 40-year-old white supremacist and neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page took his life by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer." but when you go to a wiki page for wade Michael page, there is no mention of "Christian" or even "church." this pattern is repeated throughout. similarly---there doesn't appear to be such a thing as a "Christian sovereign citizen" group. there are only "sovereign citizens." the latter got its origins from the teachings of a Christian (supposedly, more on that later) but on the whole, the group is eclectic and so any case involving them would have to be looked at individually before generically assigning the word "Christian" to it. that's not what has occurred in the list above. ironically, he just recently criticized a post I made about Voltaire because I used a Wikipedia reference. that said---there seems to be this notion amongst the comrades that simply going to a church makes ones a Christian and they either cannot, will not or don't know to discern the difference between that, and those who really are.

WhoreMods -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:33:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX You are a moron. Christian text and laws forbid violence, Muslim texts (including 109 passages in the Koran) and laws demands violence. Any time you post that a "Christian" committed violence, he was acting against his alleged religion. I'd be interested to know where Deutoronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, or most of the rest of the old testament besides Ecclesiastes prohibits violence against unbelievers.

mnottertail -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:36:53 AM)
Oh, no, you slaughter them and wipe them off the face of the earth, in the bible, not even their household goods, their infants, their barnyard animals..... you clean them from the face of the earth... Massenausbergerung.

Musicmystery -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:37:10 AM)
So just out of curiosity, how do YOU define "a Christian"?

BoscoX -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:40:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 here's a little bit more to add to what you already said (which really should be the end of the story): quote: You are a moron. Christian text and laws forbid violence, Muslim texts (including 109 passages in the Koran) and laws demands violence. Any time you post that a "Christian" committed violence, he was acting against his alleged religion. that big copy/paste list that he used, for which he conveniently did not leave a reference, is interesting in a number of regards. all the font in blue and red are of his own reckoning (or someone else's) that is, they do not appear in what (so far) ive been able to determine as the original text. heres an example: "Christian white supremacist On August 5, 2012 40-year-old white supremacist and neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page took his life by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer." and here's the (seeming) original: "On August 5, 2012 40-year-old white supremacist and neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page took his life by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer." but when you go to a wiki page for wade Michael page, there is no mention of "Christian" or even "church." this pattern is repeated throughout. similarly---there doesn't appear to be such a thing as a "Christian sovereign citizen" group. there are only "sovereign citizens." the latter got its origins from the teachings of a Christian (supposedly, more on that later) but on the whole, the group is eclectic and so any case involving them would have to be looked at individually before generically assigning the word "Christian" to it. that's not what has occurred in the list above. ironically, he just recently criticized a post I made about Voltaire because I used a Wikipedia reference. that said---there seems to be this notion amongst the comrades that simply going to a church makes ones a Christian and they either cannot, will not or don't know to discern the difference between that, and those who really are. That's jlf, makes it up as he goes along

bounty44 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:41:06 AM)
as far as McVeigh, ive written this before. it requires absurd mental gymnastics to turn him into a "conservative" and just as much to turn him into a Christian. [a copy/paste from a couple years ago, interesting how it still fits] Since no one else is calling you on this absolutely incredible piece of leftist propaganda/revisionist history/wishful thinking, I’ll give it a shot: “In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife. "If I'm going to hell," he wrote, "I'm gonna have a lot of company." “Note the above that McVeigh “said he was an agnostic” but not only that, but that he was defiant about hell itself and remain unrepentant. Then we also find the same statement that he was an agnostic admitted by Lou Michel during a cyber interview with CNN. Lou Michel spent hours interviewing McVeigh in writing a book titled, “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing”. Michel’s words are enlightening: “Lou Michel: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, ‘What if there is a heaven and hell?’ “He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon – ‘adapt, improvise, and overcome.’ Death to him is all part of the adventure.”” those are not the beliefs or words of a Christian. http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm so really, conservatives don't want to "forget" McVeigh in so much as he represented them in any way, shape or form---I think what we wish is, that you leftists would just wise up about the matter.

bounty44 -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:44:00 AM)
and since I was already there---the above post was in response to mnottertroll claiming the same unsupported nonsense---here's more response: here are two articles that discuss a some history and background of dale hausner. There is no mention in either of them as to faith, worldviews, or christianity. Nor are there comments from a pastor or any spokesman from a church he might have gone to. What’s more, an internet search for his name coupled with “Christian” or “not a Christian” gives no hits. The two are not linked in any way. http://www.ifpinc.com/Rage%20of%20the%20Random%20Actor%20-%20Live%20Addendum/Chapter%2003/Dale%20Hausner%20-%20A%20history%20of%20grief,%20a%20record%20of%20anger.htm http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Dale_Hausner_and_Samuel_Dieteman as to Robert Bales---the only linking of him to christianity seems to come from this fellow named Gordon duff who, on his website, claimed bales was a christian. Here’s what the anti-defamation league has to say about duff: “Gordon Duff is an anti-Semitic conspiracist whose innocuous-sounding Web site, Veterans Today, features anti-Israel and Holocaust denial materials. The site also offers a platform for numerous columnists who promote anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories, as well as Duff’s own screeds.” how would Gordon duff even know? did he sit next to bales in church maybe? interview him in prison? what? the point being, he doesn't, and couldn't know. Other than that, bales is like hausner; there is nothing online that shows/discusses his Christian worldview, or lack thereof. What’s more, there are numerous accounts of bales, in response to the killings, saying he has no memory of it, and doesn’t know why he did it. I read that Charles Whitman was an altar boy as a youth, and was married in a catholic ceremony, which implies a regular presence in the catholic church. That alone however does not make him a Christian, and then later in life he is reported as having said “Fr. Leduc met with Whitman for the last time two months prior to the shootings and said that Whitman had confided that he had lost his faith, and no longer considered himself a practicing Catholic.” So not only do we not know if he was a christian, he renounced his Catholicism as well. http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/whitman-charles.htm I confess I don’t know who/what you mean by “kohl” and I cant find anything by looking. But given the track record above, im pretty confident I don’t have to. Last thing---what leftists who complain about such things just don’t seem to get: there is a huge difference (all the difference in the world actually) between a person who does something in obedience to/inspired by his faith, and one who acts in complete opposition to it. “Christian terrorist” or “Christian murderer” is an oxymoron.

BoscoX -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:46:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX You are a moron. Christian text and laws forbid violence, Muslim texts (including 109 passages in the Koran) and laws demands violence. Any time you post that a "Christian" committed violence, he was acting against his alleged religion. I'd be interested to know where Deutoronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, or most of the rest of the old testament besides Ecclesiastes prohibits violence against unbelievers. Here Matthew Mark Luke John Acts (of the Apostles) Romans 1 Corinthians 2 Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Colossians 1 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 1 Timothy 2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1 Peter 2 Peter 1 John 2 John 3 John Jude Revelation

MrRodgers -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:54:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail You forgot "They are trying to take our slaves away!!" They actually said that. I thought historically, Dems were the pro-slaves owning party. Yes and the republicans were the progressives. Now they have switched roles.

Musicmystery -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 7:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So just out of curiosity, how do YOU define "a Christian"? I ask because your comments seem to exclude a lot of people who would consider themselves Christians, so I'm genuinely asking.

mnottertail -> RE: What is it with the hysteria? (2/9/2017 8:27:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and since I was already there---the above post was in response to mnottertroll claiming the same unsupported nonsense---here's more response: <dogsht44 makes deep tongue retching and gobbling sounds as he licks the toilet clean> Yeah, dogshit44 I never claimed any nutsucker was an actual xtian, its just one of their many felchgobbles, in fact the always the opposite. And I would certainly NEVER equate a nutsucker with conservative, in fact I only equate them with nutsuckerism. They are not republican, not conservatives and never christian, they are nutsuckers. You are too busy hating and lying and gobbling PutinJizz from Il Douchmeisters ass to understand that people can see the stupid cockgargling shit you post. You of course can show me something along the lines of "Dogshit44 is a fine xtian fellow and an exemplary conservative" then I will recant. However, all you would find is Dogshit44 is neither republican, nor conservative, and certainly not an xtian. Now McVeigh certainly spouted nutsuckerisms right out of todays nutsucker propaganda organs. Uh, McVeigh was a nutsucker. A true nutsucker, just like you, felchgobbling retarded shit, and a danger to our society.

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