Without jobs they will have no reason or the financial ability to stay... even with children. If you make a penalty 20 years without parole, confiscation of assets, and stick to it not many employers will take the chance... would you?
Butch

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Without jobs they will have no reason or the financial ability to stay... even with children. If you make a penalty 20 years without parole, confiscation of assets, and stick to it not many employers will take the chance... would you?
Butch

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Doesn't have to go that way, could do it more like how stores are treated when cashiers are caught selling alcohol to minors. First offense, one illegal, a thousand dollar fine, a weekend in jail and community service. After that the seriousness of the offense increases to a felony at some point and the doors are closed.

At the point in which the doors are closed, I imagine everything would have to be sold or auctioned to pay the fines. Maybe do it like Obamacare and call it a tax fine penalty on hiring illegals, enforceable by the ATFI and the IRS.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

As part of the "Employers might have to start paying fair wages again" thread, Butch mentioned jailing employers.

Without jobs they will have no reason or the financial ability to stay... even with children. If you make a penalty 20 years without parole, confiscation of assets, and stick to it not many employers will take the chance... would you?
Butch

This thread isn't intended to debate the merits of Butch's claim, but it was something he wrote that got me thinking (almost never a good idea to do that. lol!).

Who gets the confiscated assets? What happens to those assets? Let's say Callahan Auto knowingly (important requirement for being liable, imo) hired illegals as part of it's work force. "Big Tom" Callahan gets nabbed by the Feds, is found guilty, goes to jail, and Callahan Auto is confiscated (Big Tom being majority owner). What happens to Callahan Auto? Do the Feds sell his shares of Callahan Auto? Who gets the $$ from that sale? If Big Tom was the sole proprietor, does the Federal Government just swoop in and shut the business down? What happens to all the legal workers?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Doesn't have to go that way, could do it more like how stores are treated when cashiers are caught selling alcohol to minors. First offense, one illegal, a thousand dollar fine, a weekend in jail and community service. After that the seriousness of the offense increases to a felony at some point and the doors are closed.

At the point in which the doors are closed, I imagine everything would have to be sold or auctioned to pay the fines. Maybe do it like Obamacare and call it a tax fine penalty on hiring illegals, enforceable by the ATFI and the IRS.

Do that out of the chute, sieze their assets personal and business, every last manager down to the line level, sell their shit out, long prison sentences and multibillion dollar problems are solved in short order and relatively cheaply

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

As part of the "Employers might have to start paying fair wages again" thread, Butch mentioned jailing employers.

Without jobs they will have no reason or the financial ability to stay... even with children. If you make a penalty 20 years without parole, confiscation of assets, and stick to it not many employers will take the chance... would you?
Butch

This thread isn't intended to debate the merits of Butch's claim, but it was something he wrote that got me thinking (almost never a good idea to do that. lol!).

Who gets the confiscated assets? What happens to those assets? Let's say Callahan Auto knowingly (important requirement for being liable, imo) hired illegals as part of it's work force. "Big Tom" Callahan gets nabbed by the Feds, is found guilty, goes to jail, and Callahan Auto is confiscated (Big Tom being majority owner). What happens to Callahan Auto? Do the Feds sell his shares of Callahan Auto? Who gets the $$ from that sale? If Big Tom was the sole proprietor, does the Federal Government just swoop in and shut the business down? What happens to all the legal workers?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

As others have said...there are already procedures to deal with confiscated property. This does not mean jobs have to be lost at all. First it would only mean personal property so if a Walmart executive were convicted it would not mean closing a store. Where a business was owned solely by a convicted offender then yes the business would be seized.... but.... that still does not necessarily mean loss of innocent jobs. As an example a strip club owner was convicted of racketeering in my area. The club was seized but the government hired a manager to run it until a buyer could be found. It was in the papers because it was unusual for the federal government to run a strip club.

But in any case there would be a lot less suffering and cost then building a wall and trying to roundup millions of people and deporting them.

Butch