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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.
But is that what will make America great?
What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry
It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Trump's ban, however, turned away legal immigrants, including VISA holders and long-term green card holders. Citizens and people from friendly countries, like Canada, have been held up simply because they were Muslim.
Simply reality, this is NOT a program to prevent illegal immigrants--it's an anti-Muslim policy.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

23 dollars/hr is a yearly salary of 48k.

the median salary in the usa is ~27k.

the median household income is ~50k

http://www.mybudget360.com/how-much-do-americans-earn-what-is-the-average-us-income/

so here's an individual making 78% more than the median, and just a couple thousand short of the median household with the point being---I suspect given the above, there are plenty of people who would consider it a good paying job and would be happy to have it. the vast majority of the country is making less.

and I think we just got some more insight into the character of the troll...

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Yes it is too much.. US immigration rules/law makes it almost impossible (unless you marry or have a family sponsor).. and its actually costing you Americans jobs.. but most of y'all are too stupid to realize that..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.
But is that what will make America great?
What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry
It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Trump's ban, however, turned away legal immigrants, including VISA holders and long-term green card holders. Citizens and people from friendly countries, like Canada, have been held up simply because they were Muslim.
Simply reality, this is NOT a program to prevent illegal immigrants--it's an anti-Muslim policy.

Trump's EO isn't about illegal immigration, though that means fuck all in this thread. Trump's EO you're complaining about isn't about the wall the OP is writing about.

To your point, however, the EO was a blanket ban from 7 countries, all of them primarily Muslim, but not completely Muslim. It shouldn't have been executed the way it was, and shouldn't have applied - from the get got, not after the outcy - to the VISA holders, legal immigrants, and green-card holders. Canadian nationals (and any nationals from any country other than those 7 listed) shouldn't have been impacted, unless they are also nationals from one of the 7 listed countries. The EO was intended - from what I can tell - to give time to DHS to improve the current, or create a new vetting process for incoming nationals from those 7 countries.

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The difference between the "intent" and the actual roll-out illustrates the sheer incompetence of this train wreck, aside from the legal and discriminatory issues.
The wall is easier--dumb, expensive, pointless. Even Texas Republicans don't want it, as it will do more harm than good. Ironically, the Atlantic reports, it will even trap migrants in the US wanting to return to Mexico.

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ORIGINAL: tj444


And these are good jobs that pay an average of $23 an hour, along with health care and retirement benefits.


Twenty three dollars an hour is not a good paying job. My welfare cheque is bigger than that.
I would not put my shoes on for $23 @ hour let alone work.

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Forget about the tired and poor.

Consider a J1 exchange visitor living and working in the USA researching cures for cancer as a POST DOC. Her father becomes ill and dies in Iran, and so she travels back to IRAN for the funeral services. On return to the USA - where she has a job, a car, an apartment, and relatives, friends and co workers -- she is barred from reentry and her J1 visa is summarily canceled.

Needless to say this educated doctor is not a security threat to the USA.

So, the ban, as enacted, is de-facto proof of the immigration illiteracy of the White House and its nationalistic advisors.

-- On the plus side, Iranian nationals and leaders where impressed with US demonstrators opposed to the White House actions. Its a small silver lining, but opposing countries need to find common ground and ties to one another. Sometimes its the bonds between decent, caring people irrespective of their governments -- that forms this valuable connection.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Yes it is too much.. US immigration rules/law makes it almost impossible (unless you marry or have a family sponsor).. and its actually costing you Americans jobs.. but most of y'all are too stupid to realize that..

Seriously? It's too much to ask that people immigrate legally?!?

I absolutely do believe immigration law and the legal process needs to be overhauled to be faster and more efficient. I don't know that there are many on either side of the aisle in Congress that would disagree with that.

The US has the right (as does every country) to control it's borders and determine who gets in and who doesn't. Considering the tenor of many countries, groups, etc. regarding the US, I think it's even more imperative that we have at least some control over who is in the country.

Canada has it's own immigration laws. Mexico has it's own. Is there a country out there that doesn't have immigration laws? Is there a country out there whose immigration laws aren't difficult (excepting those countries where the people aren't trying to get in)?

As far as your anecdote, I'm sure there is more to the story than what was presented. FFS, they should have sent a couple people to Italy to train under Benotto for 2 years.

Jamison doors started manufacturing high speed doors in 2012, after starting a joint venture with BMP (Benotto's Italian company). Apparently, the 2 year immigration "nightmare" wasn't really all that bad. I mean, they started manufacturing the doors in 2012, and the "nightmare" was 2 years long at the time of that article in 2014. If it was really that imperative that Benotto be in the US, how did they start manufacturing those doors (and they still do today) in 2012?