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respectmen -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 4:22:27 PM)
Peon, if the empathy gap is only the fault of men, how come feminists are the biggest offenders of it? Feminism isn't controlled by men or patriarchy, yet it produces the empathy gap. So it's a silly standpoint to assume the empathy gap is the fault of men/patriarchy. The empathy gap is the fault of "people" who are men and women. It's just that due to female favourtism, people in society find it so hard to place blame on women for anything. It always has to somehow be all the fault of the big bad evil menz. Women are perfect princesses who are faultless apparently. Anyway, speaking of the empathy gap, no one does it as much as feminists. They would be worse than any old fashion traditionalist.

Real0ne -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 4:31:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/health/why-arent-we-doing-more-to-stop-men-dying-of-cancer/ The empathy gap. theres nomoney in a cure! Its job security

longwayhome -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 5:00:13 PM)
And back to the original article.......... The main reason for the gender gap in mortality is men dying younger of diseases that women get too. It's not "men's" cancers like testicular and prostate cancer that cause it. In fact the effects of breast cancer and cervical cancer are still significant in terms of early deaths, despite all the money spent on women's health. In any health economy more money is identified as being spent on women's than men's health but that is because more things go wrong with the female reproductive system and the figures usually also include maternity care. Complaining about that is like blaming women for being women. "Men's" health spending is hidden in the overall health budgets, where men sometimes dominate because of their higher morbidity in certain diseases or women dominate because of age related frailty simply because they live longer. In terms of "male" cancers, testicular cancer is relatively rare and has been subject to awareness campaigns which appear to have worked to an extent. Caught early, like cervical cancer, it is almost entirely treatable. Prostate cancer on the other hand has proved a hard nut to crack. The NHS spends millions on treating a cancer where statistics suggest that any rise in ten year survival is only because we are getting better at early detection. In other words if you were going to die at seventy of prostate cancer, we have only improved your survival partly because we have given you an extra three years of worrying about it because you now know a few years earlier that you have cancer. The lack of big advances in extending the lives of prostate cancer sufferers is nothing to do with an empathy gap or failure to invest in men's health and everything to do with the nature of the cancer itself. Extra years of painful treatment, impotence and discomfort before you die at roughly the same time you would have done without treatment is a reality for some prostate cancer sufferers. No, we don't know why men die earlier than women of the same diseases. It could be men's attitude towards their own health or it could be genetic or gender related, for example linked to the fact that the female hormone system changes radically in old age while testosterone only gradually declines. What it isn't a result of is less money or effort going into the treatment of men compared to women. If we discover a male disease which we can screen for and which can be treated in a way that radically changes life expectancy I am sure we will invest in it. Nobody is complaining about all the money spent on diseases like bowel cancer which affect both sexes but cause greater mortality in men but neither is anyone categorising it as spending on men's health. On the other hand some of the cinderella areas for health spend where we spend too little are strongly gendered in terms of sufferers like dementia (mainly women) and severe mental health problems (mainly men). The truth is that health spending and policy create some interesting gender biases when you analyse them on a case by case basis, however there is no evidence for a systematic gender bias overall, much less the sort of empathy gap RM suggests. There is an interesting discussion to be had here for thoughtful people about how to improve quality of life for both men and women, but only once you get away from the dogmatic sexual politics.

longwayhome -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 5:01:35 PM)
And yes, I did read the original article and no, as usual, it doesn't really quite say what RM thinks it says. No surprise there then.

PeonForHer -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 5:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Peon, if the empathy gap is only the fault of men, how come feminists are the biggest offenders of it? Feminism isn't controlled by men or patriarchy, yet it produces the empathy gap. So it's a silly standpoint to assume the empathy gap is the fault of men/patriarchy. The empathy gap is the fault of "people" who are men and women. It's just that due to female favourtism, people in society find it so hard to place blame on women for anything. It always has to somehow be all the fault of the big bad evil menz. Women are perfect princesses who are faultless apparently. Anyway, speaking of the empathy gap, no one does it as much as feminists. They would be worse than any old fashion traditionalist. Do you not see how much you're on a hiding to nothing, RM? Feminists aren't going to help you because you've made it abundantly clear that you hate them and everything they stand for, and want to destroy what they are and what they do. On the other hand traditional 'masculine men' - including those who, crucially, are in a position to change things - aren't going to help you either - because they believe in a world in which men who suffer only suffer because they're 'weaklings'. Why is it that you consider the ultra-right-wing of politics so much your 'home', RM? It's simply not there for you and will never be any good for you. Along with the left, it might, occasionally, support care for women - not because it supports equality for women (qua the leftists), but because it supports the idea of looking after women as the 'delicate but valuable creatures' that they are. But it has no interest in what it sees as weakling men at all. It despises them. That was always true of men who didn't want to fight in wars - because, no matter their argument, they were just 'cowards'; it's still true of men who complain, now, that their mental and physical health is not being cared for. I'm one of those men, RM. I'm a masculinist and I do see an empathy gap, just as you say. I'm just not an ultra-right-masculinist, as you are. I do think you need to take a really, really major step back and think about who your friends are, and who your enemies are. You have no support from anyone on the right in your views here. There are lots of very right wing people on this forum but, so far as I've seen, none of them weigh in to support you. Do you not wonder why that is?

Edwird -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 6:39:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/health/why-arent-we-doing-more-to-stop-men-dying-of-cancer/ The empathy gap. Janis Joplin, with advice for those in your sad life situation: Cry Baby.

dcnovice -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/16/2017 8:22:46 PM)
FR As a male cancer patient/survivor, I'm really not wild about having my medical travails used as a prop in the OP's endless quest for victimhood.

tj444 -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 12:27:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers How is it that even though the 'medical scientists' of the day said it was quackery and foolish to think so when it was discovered that eating citrus fruits (vitamin C) found in the Caribbean by the British navy...cured scurvy ? (good thing the FDA wasn't around to get ahold of that one hey ?) Wouldn't we really prefer to be wearing pink ribbons and the like and spendings Billion$ on still trying to cure scurvy...if it had. I mean, wouldn't it have been much better to have the FDA around to make sure Vit. C actually cured scurvy ? I firmly believe that most diseases are caused by bad diet & bad lifestyle choices.. by bad diet, I dont mean eating a bag of chips & eating at McDs every day.. People that say they have a "healthy diet" in actuality they dont, they just dont realize it.. Several years ago I thought I had a healthy diet but I started getting severe back pain, eventually the pain went from the base of my spine up my neck.. It was the worst pain I have ever experienced. It never stopped, I couldnt sleep cuz the pain was so bad, I couldnt even sit at my computer for more than 2 minutes. Standing was the least painful for me. I went to the chiropractor several times a week and that didnt help at all. Finally I went to a Chinese acupuncturist for the pain. He told me right off that my problem was my stomach, I thought he was crazy as the pain was in my back, not my tummy! but I went home and googled anyway.. Sure enough, I found people posting about the same problem I had and they said it was inflammation due to diet.. I googled more and found out which foods I had been eating were bad, which foods I needed to eat to be healthy again. I immediately got rid of all the processed food I had, no Lean Cuisine frozen dinners, no pasta, no bread, no sweet food, no processed cereal, no food with any additives or words that I couldnt pronounce or even knew what they were.. In a few days, I started feeling less pain, and I was cured of all my back pain within 2 weeks.. all just cuz i changed my diet.. Most people would say it was a miracle.. Now what would have happened if I had gone to a Doctor? He would have given me a prescription or two for various drugs and the source of the problem wouldnt have changed, and I would have been on the treadmill so many people are on.. more pain, more drugs, more pain, more drugs.. So, imo, if you want to be healthy you need to be physically active and eat a diet like Tom Brady.. if you cant or wont do that then imo sooner or later, you are gonna get sick (it will manifest itself in different ways/diseases for each person) and end up on that treadmill.. Its your body, its up to you.. People drastically underestimate how much their diet affects them/their health... they think they "eat healthy' but few actually do.. imo, a poor diet is what causes 70% of diseases & ailments.. but hey, that keeps Big Pharma very happy & ringing up massive profits & keeps Doctors in business..

thishereboi -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 2:48:54 AM)
OMG That was too fucking funny....thanks for the laugh rm

thishereboi -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 2:55:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic As my olman is going thru chemo right now for cancer, Im gonna tell you to fuck off. homeopathic OR medicinal herbs(MJ) aint gonna touch that shit. certainly not in time to save his life... He is in 2 studies as well, OH NO RESEARCH INTO HOW TO STOP CANCER. ANd I hasten to add, he is a man....an OLD WHITE MAN I'm sorry you have to go through this, I'll keep you both in my prayers

WhoreMods -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 4:39:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You really are a whiney little bitch, aren't you? WellI don't go runningg to a neurosurgeon when I stub a toe. T^T We only have your word for that.

Termyn8or -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 5:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers I have to ask a few questions of those that don't think that cancer is still with us and because it's one of the world's leading if not THE leading profit center. How is it that MSK (Memorial Sloan Kettering) cured cancer in 1896 and...now they can't ? Why is there (or there was for many years) a member of the Bd. of Dir. from Bristol Meyers on the Bd. of Dir. of MSK ? Do you think it may be because Drs. are ALL trained for their very first prescription for almost all cancers is chemo ? And Bristol Meyers makes 1/2 of all profits off chemo ? Why is there a member of the Bd. of Dir. of any drug co. on the BoD of MSK in the first place ? How is it that even though the 'medical scientists' of the day said it was quackery and foolish to think so when it was discovered that eating citrus fruits (vitamin C) found in the Caribbean by the British navy...cured scurvy ? (good thing the FDA wasn't around to get ahold of that one hey ?) Wouldn't we really prefer to be wearing pink ribbons and the like and spendings Billion$ on still trying to cure scurvy...if it had. I mean, wouldn't it have been much better to have the FDA around to make sure Vit. C actually cured scurvy ? Why is it that every clinic that in fact was treating and curing cancer over the 20th century...has been shut down by govt. both in the US and Canada ? The Hunza Apricot Pit, Vitamin B-17, and the Cancer Cure Myth. Myth ? Sure...let's keep it that way, we're providing $50 billion/yr in profits. Shall we just keep thinking it's all myth, we wouldn't really want to find out for sure if B-17 was a cure. The FDA didn't want to find out. The Hunza people did grow apricots and eat the apricot kernel of the apricot pit. The apricot kernel does indeed contain vitamin B-17, and the people may have had a low incidence of cancer, (in fact 1922 British doctors found none and none since) but the apricot had nothing to do with the cancer rate in the Hunza people. (it directly reduces and in many case, eliminates tumors...see World Without Cancer Youtube) Vitamin B-17 has never been shown to prevent or cure cancer. (it most certainly did in two FDA tests) The dead Hunzakuts were never examined by anyone to verify the cause of death. It was never proven that they had a low incidence of cancer. (it most certainly was and at FDA but researchers were prohibited from going further) Why did the documented success of amygdalin twice from two different doctors that were surreptitiously pulled from the research, then refer in the refusal of FDA to go further, actually have "Now if there could be a compound in the same cyano-family of research could be found with the SAME properties and results...the FDA would take interest." It had that because amygdalin in fact did work but the FDA will only approve that which can be patented and on which...Billion$ in profit could be made. Why is the medical practice of recommending Amygdalin prohibited when you can sell any number of compounds and pills on the net with little or no oversight at all ? (just like ED pills prohibited by FDA that are exactly like Viagra and the like but they didn't pay up) Why has there been such medical progress and great success in all other areas of science and medical science BUT not in cancer research and no change in deaths per 100,000 ? Why is it that the same number of people or even more people (per 100,000) are dying of cancer then there were 50-60 years ago. Just asking. that's all. That's kinda what I said, the sawbones says the big Cword and that means empty out your wallet and that of your insurance company. Know what ? I also rememebr science class when we got to play with mercury. Don't get it on an open wound, but it was OK to put it in vaccines. Now they took the lead out of TV sets and put mercury in the light bulbs. Makes all kids of sense doesn't it ? And I want to know what kinnd of supposed Parent lets their kids eat the paint off the walls. Feed the little bastard goddammit ! So they have spent millions on lead based paint abatement, not realizing these kids were never watched nor raised so their being slow had alot more factors than a few ounces of lead based paint. And the want you to think they took the lead out of gasoline for the same reason when that is total bullshit. They took the tetraethyl lead out of gasoline because it clogged up the catalytic convertors on cars, which were another farce. If you read any papers from the auto industry from back then, in the late 1970s when the catalytics were introduced, they say that there is no way to test one. Well actually years later they found one, which is to detune the engine and cost you performance and mileage, and then detect a little less O2 coming from the convertor. Boy that made alot of sense. I remember cars without one and when they were running right the exhaust did not smell bad. Take the cat off a car now and it smells like it is not running right. Which I guess, is true. Nothing they do is to solve a problem. If all the crime disappeared today the cops would be out of a job. If all the pollution disappeared today the EPA would be out of a job. If people actually evolved to the point where we could live in anarchy (which does not necessarily means chaos) the whole damn government would be out of business. Anyway, Women living longer was addressed by my Mother and some friends a few decades ago, Women live longer to suffer longer. Also more recently when you come across an older person who doesn't remember things, it might be because they do not WANT to remember. Pray for Altzheimer's ! And still there are Men who will not go to a doctor unless they think they have worse than a fifty fifty chance of living. Women have different plumbing issues and their hormones are more related to their physical condition. That means their moods as well, so if they want to go to the doctor, let them, in fact drive them there, in fact rent a Lear jet and a limo to get them there. But don't think they are better off for it. They are not. They become trustees of modern chemistry and who knows what those drugs really do. And last but not least, I am convinced that many Men are simply not as afraid of dying. Seriously. Sooner or later RM is going to come up with a really good thread, but this was not it. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 5:34:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You really are a whiney little bitch, aren't you? WellI don't go runningg to a neurosurgeon when I stub a toe. T^T We only have your word for that. Well I don't want to make a liar out of you. (lol) Therefore, next time I stub a toe I will call a neurosurgeon. OK if I charge it to your NHS ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 5:54:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers How is it that even though the 'medical scientists' of the day said it was quackery and foolish to think so when it was discovered that eating citrus fruits (vitamin C) found in the Caribbean by the British navy...cured scurvy ? (good thing the FDA wasn't around to get ahold of that one hey ?) Wouldn't we really prefer to be wearing pink ribbons and the like and spendings Billion$ on still trying to cure scurvy...if it had. I mean, wouldn't it have been much better to have the FDA around to make sure Vit. C actually cured scurvy ? I firmly believe that most diseases are caused by bad diet & bad lifestyle choices.. by bad diet, I dont mean eating a bag of chips & eating at McDs every day.. People that say they have a "healthy diet" in actuality they dont, they just dont realize it.. Several years ago I thought I had a healthy diet but I started getting severe back pain, eventually the pain went from the base of my spine up my neck.. It was the worst pain I have ever experienced. It never stopped, I couldnt sleep cuz the pain was so bad, I couldnt even sit at my computer for more than 2 minutes. Standing was the least painful for me. I went to the chiropractor several times a week and that didnt help at all. Finally I went to a Chinese acupuncturist for the pain. He told me right off that my problem was my stomach, I thought he was crazy as the pain was in my back, not my tummy! but I went home and googled anyway.. Sure enough, I found people posting about the same problem I had and they said it was inflammation due to diet.. I googled more and found out which foods I had been eating were bad, which foods I needed to eat to be healthy again. I immediately got rid of all the processed food I had, no Lean Cuisine frozen dinners, no pasta, no bread, no sweet food, no processed cereal, no food with any additives or words that I couldnt pronounce or even knew what they were.. In a few days, I started feeling less pain, and I was cured of all my back pain within 2 weeks.. all just cuz i changed my diet.. Most people would say it was a miracle.. Now what would have happened if I had gone to a Doctor? He would have given me a prescription or two for various drugs and the source of the problem wouldnt have changed, and I would have been on the treadmill so many people are on.. more pain, more drugs, more pain, more drugs.. So, imo, if you want to be healthy you need to be physically active and eat a diet like Tom Brady.. if you cant or wont do that then imo sooner or later, you are gonna get sick (it will manifest itself in different ways/diseases for each person) and end up on that treadmill.. Its your body, its up to you.. People drastically underestimate how much their diet affects them/their health... they think they "eat healthy' but few actually do.. imo, a poor diet is what causes 70% of diseases & ailments.. but hey, that keeps Big Pharma very happy & ringing up massive profits & keeps Doctors in business.. Accupuncture is a perfect example of something that was dismissed as quackery but has gained new footing. I know I mentioned iridology, which is even more far fetched but do you realize how closely the retinae of your eyes are connected to your brain. And your brain knows everything that is going on in your body. People have these stupid ideas about eatig. First of all fat does not become fat. People want al this lowfat or no fat shit that has no nutrients in it because they think every ounce of that fat is going straight to their waistline. this is not true, it is those carbs that do that, fat is pretty much like everything else, but people eat so much carbs it is ridiculous. Thatis what becomes fat. You can eat bacon, and should, and egg yolks. the idiot that started this throw the yolks out was an idiot. There are nutrients in there that are hard to get anywhere else. The thing is not to ingest a gallon of bacon grease or even that much egg yolks. Sure there is cholesterol but what they don't tell you is that a cholesterol buildup in your body, be it arteries or whatever, is not caused by the excess of it, but by the deficiency of what is supposed to combine with it as nutrients. Just like bladder stones for example. A sawbones might want you to limit your calcium intake because that is one of those stones' main components. but that calcium is not coming from your diet, it is coming from your bones and organs because the other minerals that are supposed to combine with it are lacking. Therefore they come out of solution and go back into the bloodstream. They may deposit in the gall bladder or bladder, but that is the body's attempt to get rid of them because it cannot use them, under those conditions. I used to rail on them ("__") for not telling people this but then I realized there is no solution. Modern farming methods are mostly to blame, and comprehensive mineral supplements are not cheap. They do give them to cattle, but still they are not cheap. We could go back to the old way, but remember about 100 years ago the usual US family spent alot more of its total outgo on food than we do now. I mean like three times as much. It was indeed better food and old guys in their 90s were still groping at girls in the bars drinking a fifth of whiskey a day and smoking two packs of Camels. Later, my ex-boss gets lung cancer in his early 60s without ever having smoked anything in his life. Everybody the same under the skin still ? And the guy with the blood types, I am not ready to buy into his proposition but I want to know more. Can we get a correlation between ethnicity and blood type ? You know damn well you can't feed a Ukrainian the same thing you feed a Chinese. They have adapted to certain diets. But is there a correlation between that and blood type ? Of course it is politically incorrect to find one. Just like it is "unethical" to test the efficacy of the vaccines they pour into people's arms every year. How convenient. In closing I say this, we are already doing too much to keep anyone from dying. We got 7 billion and counting, that is enough. That is too much. T^T

tj444 -> RE: Why aren't we doing more to stop men dying of cancer? (2/17/2017 7:33:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Accupuncture is a perfect example of something that was dismissed as quackery but has gained new footing. I know I mentioned iridology, which is even more far fetched but do you realize how closely the retinae of your eyes are connected to your brain. And your brain knows everything that is going on in your body. People have these stupid ideas about eatig. First of all fat does not become fat. People want al this lowfat or no fat shit that has no nutrients in it because they think every ounce of that fat is going straight to their waistline. this is not true, it is those carbs that do that, fat is pretty much like everything else, but people eat so much carbs it is ridiculous. Thatis what becomes fat. You can eat bacon, and should, and egg yolks. the idiot that started this throw the yolks out was an idiot. There are nutrients in there that are hard to get anywhere else. The thing is not to ingest a gallon of bacon grease or even that much egg yolks. Sure there is cholesterol but what they don't tell you is that a cholesterol buildup in your body, be it arteries or whatever, is not caused by the excess of it, but by the deficiency of what is supposed to combine with it as nutrients. Just like bladder stones for example. A sawbones might want you to limit your calcium intake because that is one of those stones' main components. but that calcium is not coming from your diet, it is coming from your bones and organs because the other minerals that are supposed to combine with it are lacking. Therefore they come out of solution and go back into the bloodstream. They may deposit in the gall bladder or bladder, but that is the body's attempt to get rid of them because it cannot use them, under those conditions. I used to rail on them ("__") for not telling people this but then I realized there is no solution. Modern farming methods are mostly to blame, and comprehensive mineral supplements are not cheap. They do give them to cattle, but still they are not cheap. We could go back to the old way, but remember about 100 years ago the usual US family spent alot more of its total outgo on food than we do now. I mean like three times as much. It was indeed better food and old guys in their 90s were still groping at girls in the bars drinking a fifth of whiskey a day and smoking two packs of Camels. Later, my ex-boss gets lung cancer in his early 60s without ever having smoked anything in his life. Everybody the same under the skin still ? And the guy with the blood types, I am not ready to buy into his proposition but I want to know more. Can we get a correlation between ethnicity and blood type ? You know damn well you can't feed a Ukrainian the same thing you feed a Chinese. They have adapted to certain diets. But is there a correlation between that and blood type ? Of course it is politically incorrect to find one. Just like it is "unethical" to test the efficacy of the vaccines they pour into people's arms every year. How convenient. In closing I say this, we are already doing too much to keep anyone from dying. We got 7 billion and counting, that is enough. That is too much. T^T You may call acupuncture quackery but that little Chinese dude fucking saved my life, not thru the acupuncture but thru his knowledge. While I cant say the acupuncture, cupping, heat lamp treatment, etc & special herb tea actually helped for the pain, I know it didnt hurt me one bit and it was relaxing. Many people think Chiropractors are quacks too but again, my Chiropractor saved my life too, for a low back injury I had. They saved my life not only by getting rid of the pain but also indirectly saving me from a possible addiction to heavy duty prescription pain meds, which yer good ole drug pusher doctors see as the solution. More people die from prescription drug meds than they do from the supposed "quacks".. And cuz that was in Canada, it didnt cost me a dime to see either of them.. I dont eat bacon but yeah, its the type of fat in the bacon that is bad for the arteries etc, eating good oils give you the fat you need and its got nutrients that help keep you healthy without plugging arteries... I dont buy into the diet by blood type thing, that never made sense to me, as far as diet goes, people from okanowa that eat a western diet end up unhealthy just like westerners do.. imo it doesnt matter where you live or come from, its what diet you decide to eat that either helps you or hurts you.. Why do some people get colds easily and some other dont? cuz everyone is different & have different levels of immunity & their body can fight diseases off better than others, just like some people can eat like a horse and not gain an ounce of weight..

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