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cloudboy -> "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 1:38:10 PM)

I don't think many elements of the Republican Party are conservative, but we're stuck with the term. I'd prefer fox new idiots or Mnot might have a better designation.

Anyway, this article hits the spot in spades and it offers a super-structure of most CMMB political discussions.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/02/liberals-stop-trying-to-own-conservatives-by-their.html



bounty44 -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 3:12:15 PM)

lets see, whats the better explanation?

conservatives are greedy, racist, evil, homophobic, selfish, xenophobic, sexist, misogynistic, haters of the poor, the elderly, bigoted, islamophobic, fascist, yada yada yada ad nauseum?

or that conservatives actually do care but do so in a way that you %(#&%^&# liberals in your pompous ass elite self-righteousness just don't agree with or even recognize?

my vote is the latter.

in case you all would like to avoid going to the waste of time website, here are the inane "gotcha" questions that supposedly show just how bad and hypocritical conservatives are.

quote:

Here are some other logic nuggets that will have absolutely zero effect on the true believers:

—If Christians value the lessons of Jesus so much, why won’t they heed his lessons when it comes to immigrants and the poor?

—If pro-lifers think the life of the fetus is so valuable, why do they have total disdain for those who suffer once they’re actually born?

—If conservative politicians value our service members so much, why are they the first to send them into harm’s way for unnecessary wars?

—If conservatives hate terrorists so much, why do they constantly engage in rhetoric and policy that seems specifically tailored to encourage the rise of anti-Americanism across the globe?

—If Trump supporters cared so much about draining the swamp, why aren’t they going nuts about how his entire cabinet is made up of swamp creatures?

—If Trump supporters cared so much about transparency, why aren’t they going nuts about his tax returns? Or his business conflicts? Or Russia?


and what a fool you are for posing them.

here cloudboy, seems all the rage here lately:

quote:

Partisan Hack

Someone who cares more about supporting a particular party or ideology than supporting what is morally right, or factually true.







Musicmystery -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 3:50:50 PM)

Do you EVER think things that aren't straw man nonsense?

Why not join a few real discussions, try your hand at it.



RottenJohnny -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 4:53:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I don't think many elements of the Republican Party are conservative, but we're stuck with the term. I'd prefer fox new idiots or Mnot might have a better designation.

Anyway, this article hits the spot in spades and it offers a super-structure of most CMMB political discussions.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/02/liberals-stop-trying-to-own-conservatives-by-their.html


I thought about responding to this thread but I don't care.



BoscoX -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 5:07:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Do you EVER think things that aren't straw man nonsense?

Why not join a few real discussions, try your hand at it.


You are like a broken record, calling every post a straw man - problem is, you don't even know what the term means.



PeonForHer -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 5:16:54 PM)

Trump and his cohorts are 'conservative'? Jeez, no, I would *not* use that term. But, as you say, it seems that you're stuck with it in political debates your side of the pond.



Termyn8or -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 5:59:34 PM)

You expect me to read this shit ?

"He could text Putin the nuclear codes tomorrow, accidentally copy Kim Jong-un, and then launch a warhead into Texas, and they’d find a way to rationalize it within 20 minutes. "

T^T



BoscoX -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 6:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You expect me to read this shit ?

"He could text Putin the nuclear codes tomorrow, accidentally copy Kim Jong-un, and then launch a warhead into Texas, and they’d find a way to rationalize it within 20 minutes. "

T^T


They have retreated to an alternative cartoon reality



cloudboy -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 7:42:00 PM)

The point is that you cannot get anywhere with clowns who argue in bad faith. To wit: Obama was "bad" because he was always on vacation burning tax payer dollars to protect him.

Trump's vacation and family protection bills promise to be about half a billion dollars for four years -- whereas Obama travel costs were about $90 million for eight years.

Why aren't conservatives mad and railing about this? They are silent because they like Trump.

Why were they railing against Obama about it -- they didn't like him.

Vacations and travel costs are besides the point -- they are bullshit claims as the author points out.

If these claims were real -- we'd be hearing about them on Fox News right now.



MistressSantina -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 8:20:45 PM)

Oh would you stop with the straw man arguments



MrRodgers -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 8:21:07 PM)

I think your link is basically correct but about almost all repubs they being narrow minded, self-interested politicians but not necessarily conservatives.

I still hold out that one day the republican party will return to their original conservative roots and yes, that becomes more and more improbable everyday and not likely to happen in my lifetime...see presidential election.

But there are real conservatives in this country (yes, democrat and independent too) that are cringing in their beer and even some (National Review) who think that Trump is and if the repubs in congress continue to kiss his butt, are or will, become a national disaster for the repub party and its future.



Kirata -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 8:26:20 PM)


I especially liked the advice at the end:

The right way is simple. Go to the people you need to convince—the ones who aren’t willing to resort to any dirty trick—and say “look, these people are liars. Everything they say, and everything they do, is a lie.” Ignore the liars themselves; you’ll have better luck getting blood from a stone. Go to the people who retain a shred of humanity, make your case, and pray that there are enough of them left to tilt the balance.

Anytime anybody makes a claim like that, you know you're dealing with a flaming asshole.

K.



heavyblinker -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 8:59:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Anytime anybody makes a claim like that, you know you're dealing with a flaming asshole.


It's also possible to discern this by asking yourself if you're currently interacting with Kirata in any way.
If so, then you are definitely dealing with a flaming asshole.
[:D]



heavyblinker -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 9:05:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

lets see, whats the better explanation?

conservatives are greedy, racist, evil, homophobic, selfish, xenophobic, sexist, misogynistic, haters of the poor, the elderly, bigoted, islamophobic, fascist, yada yada yada ad nauseum?

or that conservatives actually do care but do so in a way that you %(#&%^&# liberals in your pompous ass elite self-righteousness just don't agree with or even recognize?

my vote is the latter.


You didn't even read the full title of the article.

He's not saying conservatives don't care about anything, just that they don't care about their own hypocrisy.

You aren't going to say that you care about your own hypocrisy, you're either going to say it doesn't exist or that liberals are worse. You are unwilling to confront the possibility that you could be a hypocrite.



itsSIRtou -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 9:22:34 PM)

Of course they don't care..... That's why a recession happens every time they impose a tax cut policy. Shit hits the fan when they deregulate industries. Workers take in the ass when labor protections go unenforced because cons want "government out of the way of business."

We will be back to the 50's on so many topics its stupid.  Butt of course, it works for cons because it leaves the rest of America fighting amongst themselves  to crawl out from under the cons bullshit.

hypocrisy is just the tip of the iceberg. 

So no, the cons don't care....



Kirata -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 9:49:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

Of course they don't care..... That's why a recession happens every time they impose a tax cut policy. Shit hits the fan when they deregulate industries. Workers take in the ass when labor protections go unenforced because cons want "government out of the way of business."

We will be back to the 50's on so many topics its stupid.  Butt of course, it works for cons because it leaves the rest of America fighting amongst themselves  to crawl out from under the cons bullshit.

hypocrisy is just the tip of the iceberg. 

So no, the cons don't care....

Well thanks for your input, but the post you're replying to is this one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

I especially liked the advice at the end:

The right way is simple. Go to the people you need to convince—the ones who aren’t willing to resort to any dirty trick—and say “look, these people are liars. Everything they say, and everything they do, is a lie.” Ignore the liars themselves; you’ll have better luck getting blood from a stone. Go to the people who retain a shred of humanity, make your case, and pray that there are enough of them left to tilt the balance.

Anytime anybody makes a claim like that, you know you're dealing with a flaming asshole.

So-called "cons" are not all the same, and I've made the same point about so-called "libs".

Sorry you don't get it.

K.



WickedsDesire -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/17/2017 10:15:11 PM)

and here me was me thinking they were gutless pinko communists enabling president lying fuks every insane move.



heavyblinker -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/18/2017 12:12:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
and here me was me thinking they were gutless pinko communists enabling president lying fuks every insane move.


Putin has been positioning himself as the head of a new global 'conservative' movement for a while now. The alt-right is a useful tool for furthering that movement in the same way the new European fascists are... the alt-right has been idolizing and adoring him for years now... or at least, the armies of internet trolls who work for Putin have been putting that message forward.

The simple fact is that the right doesn't care about the west or its values, they only care about whether or not their party wins. It's the only way to explain how they could support someone like Mitt Romney in 2012 and then 4 years later support someone like Trump. They have no real values or beliefs, they just have their team and it is always right about everything. Trump says something completely insane, and it's perfectly acceptable because he's their leader.

If colluding with a dictator is totally acceptable, if refusing to investigate the connection is acceptable, if it is acceptable that the president is unwilling to stand up to Russia in any way or admit that there is anything wrong with a warship off the coast of Delaware or a cruise missile violating a 1987 treaty, then I can't imagine what wouldn't be. They are lost.

The only real hope is that the people who aren't blindly partisan and who simply think that Trump is 'good different' will realize they've made a mistake sooner rather than later.



klmpong -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/18/2017 1:09:43 AM)

so when are the lefts' suicide pacts going to kick in? I guess they wouldn't report them if they did.



itsSIRtou -> RE: "Conservatives don't care" (2/18/2017 1:13:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

Of course they don't care..... That's why a recession happens every time they impose a tax cut policy. Shit hits the fan when they deregulate industries. Workers take in the ass when labor protections go unenforced because cons want "government out of the way of business."

We will be back to the 50's on so many topics its stupid.  Butt of course, it works for cons because it leaves the rest of America fighting amongst themselves  to crawl out from under the cons bullshit.

hypocrisy is just the tip of the iceberg. 

So no, the cons don't care....

Well thanks for your input, but the post you're replying to is this one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

I especially liked the advice at the end:

The right way is simple. Go to the people you need to convince—the ones who aren’t willing to resort to any dirty trick—and say “look, these people are liars. Everything they say, and everything they do, is a lie.” Ignore the liars themselves; you’ll have better luck getting blood from a stone. Go to the people who retain a shred of humanity, make your case, and pray that there are enough of them left to tilt the balance.

Anytime anybody makes a claim like that, you know you're dealing with a flaming asshole.

So-called "cons" are not all the same, and I've made the same point about so-called "libs".

Sorry you don't get it.

K.



What I GOT is very few conservatives DIDNT vote for the current administration no matter how much u were warned by economists worldwide of the consequences for doing so.  They voted for rump with all his bad treatments of women & minorities, and did so knowing full damn well the American people are going to bear the insane cost of the symbolic wall that's he's backtracked on how many times since November that Mexico WAS & IS never going to out-of-pocket pay for??   hell y'all cant even figure out what ur going to actually "replace" Obamacare with because all u really cared about was wiping out its authors legacy.

NO..... u and whatever variations of cons voted rump in because  u cared more about winning the white house than anything or anybody else.  All because u knew the orange stumblebum is going to rubber stamp the rest of the gop agenda.

And THAT is ALL u and whatever variations of cons there are, cared about.  with hypocrisy leading the way.  

Let's see what u didn't get WHEN the business papers start mentioning the growing recession for their slow sales figures and the economists nodding a "we told u so" after giving president orange stumblebum a second term. 

Of course, rump will call it fake news...




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