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BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 12:42:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

~FR

A free and challenging Press is the bedrock of a democracy. Shame on people who accept Der Trumpf's continued attacks without question.

Are the unions next?


Obama attacked the media, moron

And the unions have been siding with President Trump of late

Keep swinging though... [:D]

Of course fox never lied, attacked or bullshitted(with proof) about obama.
even in hannitys opinion it hasnt been nearly as many (so called attacks in 8 years, than the first four weeks of the SCROTUS.
He reacted to fox for a reason..
Scrotus is attacking because he wants his base to dumb themselves down even more.
that you buy it, lock stock and barrel, is not surprising.




So then, it IS acceptable for a president to "attack" the media

Thanks for the backup lil sis

Knew I could count on ya

Kisses




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 12:50:56 PM)

another lack of comprehension post by you, you need some mental viagra....




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 12:59:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

another lack of comprehension post by you, you need some mental viagra....

Viagra will only make a dick harder.

What he needs is something positive.
A lobotomy might make him slightly more intelligent. [:D]




BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 1:04:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

another lack of comprehension post by you, you need some mental viagra....


Lack of comprehension???

Either it is acceptable for a president to "attack" the media, or it isn't.

Wait - you don't want it both ways or anything like that, do you? That would make you a real sleazebag




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 1:20:16 PM)


you can attempt to tell me what you believe I think and say...but it doesn't make it anything but utter fairy tale in your head




outlier -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 1:31:19 PM)

This is one time we have a clear choice as to which president to believe and which
president put ther welfare of America before his own. We have Trump's opinion;
here are some statements by Thomas Jefferson.

"The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787. ME 6:57

"The press [is] the only tocsin of a nation. [When it] is completely silenced... all means of a general effort [are] taken away." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, Nov 29, 1802. (*) ME 10:341

"The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure." --Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491

"The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves, nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816. ME 14:384

"The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to G. K. van Hogendorp, Oct. 13, 1785. (*) ME 5:181, Papers 8:632

"Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786.

"I am... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78

"The art of printing secures us against the retrogradation of reason and information." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Paganel, 1811. ME 13:37

"The light which has been shed on mankind by the art of printing has eminently changed the condition of the world... And while printing is preserved, it can no more recede than the sun return on his course." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1823. ME 15:465

"The art of printing alone and the vast dissemination of books will maintain the mind where it is and raise the conquering ruffians to the level of the conquered instead of degrading these to that of their conquerors." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1821. ME 15:334

"[The] literati [of Europe are] half a dozen years before us. Books, really good, acquire just reputation in that time, and so become known to us and communicate to us all their advances in knowledge. Is not this delay compensated by our being placed out of the reach of that swarm of nonsensical publications which issues daily from a thousand presses and perishes almost in issuing?" --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Bellini, 1785. ME 5:153, Papers 8:569

"I cannot live without books." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1815. ME 14:301

"To preserve the freedom of the human mind... and freedom of the press, every spirit should be ready to devote itself to martyrdom; for as long as we may think as we will and speak as we think, the condition of man will proceed in improvement." Thomas Jefferson to William Green Munford, 1799.

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is, therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804. ME 11:33

"Weighing all probabilities of expense as well as of income, there is reasonable ground of confidence that we may now safely dispense with... the postage on newspapers... to facilitate the progress of information." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:331





bounty44 -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 2:16:20 PM)

im not sure its suitable to pair Jefferson's thoughts about the press in the abstract with trumps acute thoughts borne from specific negative circumstances.

the questions really at hand are, does trump in principal agree with what you have Jefferson touting? or does he believe differently, his present comments notwithstanding.

another thought for the "sky is falling" liberals, is, so what if he criticizes the press---wake us up when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto.


haven't read this yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/17/trumps-war-with-the-media-isnt-new-thomas-jefferson-railed-about-newspaper-lies-too/




BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 2:45:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

im not sure its suitable to pair Jefferson's thoughts about the press in the abstract with trumps acute thoughts borne from specific negative circumstances.

the questions really at hand are, does trump in principal agree with what you have Jefferson touting? or does he believe differently, his present comments notwithstanding.

another thought for the "sky is falling" liberals, is, so what if he criticizes the press---wake us up when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto.


haven't read this yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/17/trumps-war-with-the-media-isnt-new-thomas-jefferson-railed-about-newspaper-lies-too/


Our hysterical alt left friends have really convinced themselves, that the president is shuttering newspapers now

The jaw-dropping hilarious entertainment is seemingly without end [sm=sharepopcorn.gif]




Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 2:57:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Obama attacked the media, moron

I don't know what to say.

Comparing Obama's attacks on the media for disclosing National Security secrets to Trump calling the press an "enemy of the people" for the "personal attacks" on Trump, himself, show a lack of understanding that boggles the mind.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 2:59:31 PM)


"If I watched FOX News, I wouldn't vote for me, either." ... Ol' Dumbo Ears







BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:10:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Obama attacked the media, moron

I don't know what to say.

Comparing Obama's attacks on the media for disclosing National Security secrets to Trump calling the press an "enemy of the people" for the "personal attacks" on Trump, himself, show a lack of understanding that boggles the mind.



National security secrets... Such as, Obama had the CIA tap the Russian Ambassadors phone, while spying on Donald Trump and his people for the Hillary campaign?

WTF doesn't bogggle a weak mind like yours




Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:13:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

another thought for the "sky is falling" liberals, is, so what if he criticizes the press---wake us up when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto.

The problem isn't that Trump is criticizing the press, the problem is he is vilifying it and that is a problem, because that is how it starts and if you choose to close your eyes to it now (wake us up when), then "when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto", you will be to late to stop it.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:15:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

another thought for the "sky is falling" liberals, is, so what if he criticizes the press---wake us up when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto.

The problem isn't that Trump is criticizing the press, the problem is he is vilifying it and that is a problem, because that is how it starts and if you choose to close your eyes to it now (wake us up when), then "when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto", you will be to late to stop it.



The media are villains, with or without the president pointing that out. Everyone except you knows that

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low | Gallup




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:21:09 PM)

Now Scrotus has rescinded his muslim ban and will be rewriting it, at a later date.
with his loss of so many of his planned "team" is hilarious
his ranting on thursday (and omg his florida rally is unreal whinging about the 30 page decision for HOW Many minutes???????) after rescinding his own EO)) is just flat out stark staring batshit bonkers, a show, for his base, sickening dumbarses sucking up the lies.
First amendment? how long has it got left.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:37:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

National security secrets... Such as, Obama had the CIA tap the Russian Ambassadors phone, while spying on Donald Trump and his people for the Hillary campaign?
Don't you even read your own posts?

I followed your link and it's talking about "whistleblowers" like Edward Snowden, things that happened in 2013 and could be called National security secrets.

Not some fictitious story about; "Obama had the CIA tap the Russian Ambassadors phone, while spying on Donald Trump and his people for the Hillary campaign", which would have happened at the earliest in 2015. Which only begs the question; why would anyone tap the Russian Ambassadors phone to spy on Trump? Unless you are saying Trump was in collusion with the Russians to win the election.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
WTF doesn't bogggle a weak mind like yours
Personal insults are the last resort of those who run out of valid arguments. ;-)




bounty44 -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:41:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

another thought for the "sky is falling" liberals, is, so what if he criticizes the press---wake us up when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto.

The problem isn't that Trump is criticizing the press, the problem is he is vilifying it and that is a problem, because that is how it starts and if you choose to close your eyes to it now (wake us up when), then "when he actually uses his authority to do something of substance concerning the press that harms their existence in toto", you will be to late to stop it.



I agree in principle, but I don't even see it on the radar screen and I suspect the only people who do, really, are the chicken little liberals whose main problem is they don't like trump, and that trump isn't hillary.

vilifying the press isn't a first step, its simply vilifying the press. your premise is because he's the president, he shouldn't be allowed to do that?

meanwhile:

"Poll: Swing Voters Trust President Trump over Media by 2:1"

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Swing-voting independents are twice as likely to trust President Donald Trump’s administration than to trust the media, according to a new poll by Fox News.

The lopsided 52 percent to 26 percent trust in Trump is hidden in the crosstabs of the poll, which was released Feb. 17. Overall, by a narrow margin of 45 percent to 42 percent, Americans think Trump is more likely to tell the truth than are reporters...

But that topline result is skewed by sharply skewed partisan opinions. Only 8 percent of Democratic voters trust Trump more than reporters, and only 9 percent of Republican voters trust the media reporters more than Trump…

Those February 2017 numbers show a huge shift from past polls when the public trusted politicians much less than journalists…

The Fox news poll is validated by a recent poll from Emerson College.

The poll also shows that the public believes the media is far tougher on Trump than it was on President Barack Obama. Sixty-eight percent of the respondents told Fox News that the media has been tougher on Trump compared to Obama, while only 18 percent believe they have been easier on Trump. Twelve percent said they were treated equally...


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/18/public-trusts-trump-over-media/

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Milesnmiles -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:51:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

The media are villains, with or without the president pointing that out. Everyone except you knows that

"The media are villains"? The media is many things but villainous?

Which begs the question, what do you do for news and entertainment, since all news and entertainment is considered media and thus villainous?
;-)




BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:54:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

National security secrets... Such as, Obama had the CIA tap the Russian Ambassadors phone, while spying on Donald Trump and his people for the Hillary campaign?
Don't you even read your own posts?

I followed your link and it's talking about "whistleblowers" like Edward Snowden, things that happened in 2013 and could be called National security secrets.

Not some fictitious story about; "Obama had the CIA tap the Russian Ambassadors phone, while spying on Donald Trump and his people for the Hillary campaign", which would have happened at the earliest in 2015. Which only begs the question; why would anyone tap the Russian Ambassadors phone to spy on Trump? Unless you are saying Trump was in collusion with the Russians to win the election.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
WTF doesn't bogggle a weak mind like yours
Personal insults are the last resort of those who run out of valid arguments. ;-)



Now you are just a liar, anyone can follow a link idiot.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 3:56:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

The media are villains, with or without the president pointing that out. Everyone except you knows that

"The media are villains"? The media is many things but villainous?

Which begs the question, what do you do for news and entertainment, since all news and entertainment is considered media and thus villainous?
;-)


It was you who claimed that the president "vilifies" the media like Obama did

Do you even have a point

Ever




mnottertail -> RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants (2/18/2017 4:01:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


"If I watched FOX News, I wouldn't vote for me, either." ... Ol' Dumbo Ears





If I hadn't watched Faux Noize, I probably wouldn't be such a fucking retard.

Any number of retarded felchgobbling nutsuckers here and elsewhere.




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