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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Perhaps all you Trump suporters can explain to me about Obama care's replacement.

I can remember that during Clinton's years there was talk about rapidly increasing medical costs and the need to do something about it.

Then for 8 years of Bush nothing was done.
n Obama helped pass a law to help with those rapidly increasing medical costs during his first years in office.

Then for the rest of his term Republicans could talk of nothing but about how bad the law was and how it should be repealed and replaced.

And now about 20 years later the Republicans have nothing to replace it with, like they were caught unawares by the need to come up with something?

Tell me why is that?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Perhaps all you Trump suporters can explain to me about Obama care's replacement.

I can remember that during Clinton's years there was talk about rapidly increasing medical costs and the need to do something about it.

Then for 8 years of Bush nothing was done.
n Obama helped pass a law to help with those rapidly increasing medical costs during his first years in office.

Then for the rest of his term Republicans could talk of nothing but about how bad the law was and how it should be repealed and replaced.

And now about 20 years later the Republicans have nothing to replace it with, like they were caught unawares by the need to come up with something?

Tell me why is that?

You think that doubling insurance rates. jacking up deductibles so that people can't afford to get to the point where they can use the insurance, and forcing people to insure things they not only don't need or want but can't possibly use (for example, my son,who is single had to take coverage foe a hysterectomy).
The Republicans may not come up with anything better, but they will have a hard time comming up with something worse.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

In reality, I expect healthcare costs to continue to go up. But that's not the actual problem. Nope. The problem is that real wages for most Americans haven't gone up enough to keep pace.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

In reality, I expect healthcare costs to continue to go up. But that's not the actual problem. Nope. The problem is that real wages for most Americans haven't gone up enough to keep pace.

yep!

when I was a kid my father single handedly paid for all medical costs for the whole family on his average joe plumber salary with change left over to have steaks and icecream from dairy queen LOL.

then the gubblemint monopolies got involved and now days you better get ready to mortgage your house.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Perhaps all you Trump suporters can explain to me about Obama care's replacement.

I can remember that during Clinton's years there was talk about rapidly increasing medical costs and the need to do something about it.

Then for 8 years of Bush nothing was done.

Then Obama helped pass a law to help with those rapidly increasing medical costs during his first years in office.

Then for the rest of his term Republicans could talk of nothing but about how bad the law was and how it should be repealed and replaced.

And now about 20 years later the Republicans have nothing to replace it with, like they were caught unawares by the need to come up with something?

Tell me why is that?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
What govt. monopolies ?

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Posted: Jan 15, 2017 3:35 PM


Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has teased what the Obamacare replacement may look like.
A tweet sent by the senator on Saturday night showed the first page of the bill that would repeal and replace the affordable care act. In the tweet, Paul promised that more information would be released on Sunday as well as throughout the week.

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Coming this week: THE Obamacare replacement bill. Done drafting the bill & will be discussing on @CNN Sunday AM and all week next week! pic.twitter.com/ycpBNBknOl
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 15, 2017

On Sunday, Paul delivered. Speaking to CNN's Jake Tapper, he said that his plan would allow for cheaper insurance plans to be purchased, and would eliminate coverage mandates. His plan would also allow for small businesses to band together to get lower rates on insurance policies

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"One of the key reforms that we will do is, we're going to legalize the sale of inexpensive insurance," he said. "That means getting rid of the Obamacare mandates on what you can buy. We are going to help people save through health savings accounts, as well as a tax credit."
[...]
"There's no reason why (a business owner) with four employees shouldn't be able to join with hundreds and hundreds of other businesses that are small to become a large entity to get leverage to bring your prices down," Paul told Tapper. He added that those negotiations with insurance companies could also be used to guarantee the availability of policies that "can't cancel you and guarantees the issue of the insurance even if you get sick."

More details will be released later this week.

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Republican lawmakers introduced a comprehensive replacement plan for the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday.

Simply titled the “Obamacare Replacement Act,” Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) presented the new bill in a press conference.

“I think that's what's really represented here in this bill that a lot of folks have worked on, whether from the caucus standpoint or from Senator Paul's standpoint, is an inflection point,” Sanford said. “This is not about replacing the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare. This is about where do we go next in terms of healthcare so that people are in control.”

The bill entails a handful of different measures, including an elimination of the essential health benefits requirement, the creation of a $5,000 tax credit for individuals and families contributing to a health savings account, and the option to purchase health insurance across state lines.

Freedom Caucus Chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) called it “a conservative solution for health care concerns for America,” adding that it put forth:

“...a definitive plan that will address the concerns that many of my constituents and constituents across the country have raised with regards to the repeal and replacement of the Affordable Care Act.”

Meadows also noted that the bill was the “official position” of the Freedom Caucus and would serve as the companion to Paul's bill in the Senate.

Meadows added that their bill was much more in line with conservatives' plans compared to the replacement bill put forth by Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.). He thanked the two senators for bringing an alternative plan into the debate, but dismissed the idea that it is a viable option for conservatives:

“We believe that the Collins/Cassidy plan really just institutionalizes the Affordable Care Act in some ways, that says if you like your Obamacare, you can keep it. And it's not a conservative — in fact I don't know of many conservatives that support that position.”

Paul praised newly-minted Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price for crafting many of their plans during his tenure in the House, which is what makes theirs “a consensus bill.”

“Ours is a bill that takes some of the things that Republicans almost all agree to — we don't take the controversial stuff — there's disagreement on the Medicaid expansion, there's disagreement on refundable tax credits, so we left that out and that's going to be addressed in repeal,” he said.

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As Republicans debate their strategy for repealing and replacing Obamacare, GOP lawmakers have been accused of failing to put forth a replacement plan for the health care law.

[does that look familiar??]

But since President Barack Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law in 2010, Republicans in both the House and Senate have unveiled a number of proposals mapping out how the health care law would be replaced, should it be dismantled.

Most of the major plans share some key provisions: they offer tax credits to consumers; expand the use of health savings accounts, or medical savings accounts; and reform Medicaid.

But differences emerge in the nitty gritty details of each proposal, including whether tax credits are based on age or income, where to cap the tax exclusion on employer-sponsored coverage, and whether to turn Medicaid into a block grant program or per capita allotment.

House and Senate Republicans, along with President Donald Trump, are meeting in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on Thursday and Friday for their annual retreat, where House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said earlier this month lawmakers will have a “full, exhausting” conversation on their plan for repealing and replacing Obamacare.

Already, there are at least four plans crafted to replace the law. On Monday, Republican Sens. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Susan Collins of Maine introduced another proposal ahead of this week’s GOP gathering.

While the other major Republican proposals repeal all of Obamacare, the Cassidy-Collins plan repeals only the health care law’s mandates, like the individual and employer mandates; maintains its subsidies and taxes; and allows states that like Obamacare to keep Obamacare.

In addition to the Cassidy-Collins plan, The Daily Signal examined proposals offered by Ryan and the Republican conference; Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., who Trump nominated for secretary of health and human services; the Republican Study Committee; and Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, and Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan.

See how these Obamacare replacement plans stack up...

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

None of the plans pass muster, and it was still from almmost a month ago.
They have had 8 years...
Passing it to the states is going to hurt more people than ever, dodging the issue and making more money for insurance companies, drug companies and hospital managers, not patients