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Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 3:54:43 PM)
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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So, as we can see, fascism rejected the concept of liberty - mostly under the guise of the need for an autocratic state - whereas socialism rejects liberty as a consequence of the moral justification for the class struggle. Not only are all equal, insists socialism, but all must be MADE EQUAL. Violently if necessary.
What is going on here is that you have set up a straw man against which you are arguing by conflating democratic socialism with Stalinist and Maoist Communism. Wrong. The fundamental collectivist model of socialism is what underlies fascism's autocratic suppression of individual liberty. There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality. Democratic socialism is a vague handwaving attempt to pretend socialism isn't autocratic. It's bullshit, of course, which is why idiots like yourself try and hide behind it.
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The Left in modern socialist nations and we in our mongrelized patchwork social structure are not shy about recognizing individual talent and achievement; they and we do not strive to stifle our various liberties. Another bald-faced lie. Individual achievement is held by the left to be an artefact of privilege. Consequently, the obsession with social liberalism sees you attempt to quash individual achievement by biasing the playing field in favour of the incompetent.
You're so appallingly bad at this, it's amazing. Christ, do you even BEGIN to think before you make the shittiest possible fucking arguments? I mean, this is pathetic.
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Your insistence that that is the case is either outright lying or plain stupidity. I've already pointed out that you're a liar and stupid. You attempting the same with me is just laughable incompetence on your part.
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It is not substantive equality that is sought but fairness, goddamnit, dignity, and a basic safety net of health and welfare. We also want freedom from greedy, monopolistic, blood sucking corporate oligarchies, which the Trump presidency threatens to lay upon us under the guise of a phony populist revolution. Bullshit. The Left is obsessed with social control, the policing of thought, word and deed. This has been demonstrated over and over again, with the constant narrowing of the Overton window.
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Liberalism at its extremes, or neo-liberalism ~ the recent fashion ~ eventually leads to a rebirth of a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest eugenics, a Hobbesian dystopia. That has always been and continues to be the underlying, if hidden, agenda that drives the corporate Right and the Randian Individualism that you seem to applaud, if not the agenda then certainly the inevitable consequence. As I pointed out, Liberalism underlies Western democracy. It's the belief in the individual which enshrines the rights we enjoy. This is in stark contrast to the collectivism of socialism which values the good of the collective over the rights of the individual. You seem to have real trouble understanding anything. My sympathies.
Ayn Rand was a poor storyteller, her characters were awful and her philosophy is fucking repellent. She was an utter cunt of a human being.
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Classical liberalism has never existed except in your cum filled dreams. It certainly has not existed at any time or place in North America. The earliest British settlements in Virginia were forcefully populated with beggars and thieves off the streets of English cities and brought into indentured servitude, treated as poorly as African slaves were treated. Liberty? For who? For those who had power derived from land grants, but not for the landless. These western colonies were no different than Australia in being trash dumps for English “human waste.” Read the Federalist Papers. It might go some way toward enlightening your ignorance, but I doubt it.
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I am fine with you being Rand’s whore boy. Let’s just be honest about it. This, from the catamite who sucks on Stalin's dead cock? That's a fucking irony, right there.
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Communist totalitarianism and Fascist totalitarianism are two distant binaries with which modern democratic socialism does not identify. They are your straw men. You can lie down with them like feral pigs in the mud of history, if you wish. Do not associate them with the “Left.” We are done with your red-baiting McCarthyism. Nonsense. Totalitarianism is an inevitable product of socialism. Fascism combines this with industry. You can think of socialism as Fascism, but without the profit. Kind of like a poor man's Nazi Reich.
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