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Edwird -> Fake news, political correctness (2/21/2017 8:12:48 PM)


These and other terms beyond the title of the post were first brought to attention by the news media, and the latter actually conjured by some 'leftie' magazine commentator, it might have been the Village Voice, somewhere in the 1980's.

So why then do alt-cons so readily take to terms actually originated by the left?

Because they lack the basic critical thought process or interest in matters of fact in any regard to have ever come upon such notion by their own faculties. They are inherently lacking in capacity for anything resembling original thought (not to say that some bog standard liberals aren't guilty of same), and their sense of recognition of distinction and difference extends to "that's the burger, that's the fries," and no further.

Philosophical or ideological theft or rhetorical device pilfering is the only recourse for the unimaginative and mentally unresourceful, especially when consistently on the short end of it. History tells us how this works out, when that side get's ahold of things.

"Fake news" was a late comer when regarding HR Clinton's emails. But such accusation is now invoked as a preemptive strike against the media which served Trump so well in getting elected, not so well now. Oh my.

Trump and his slick-hair "California preacher" schtick got him and his followers on board ("he is more inspirational!"), and they just can't understand why nobody want's to go to all Jonestown with it like they do; hence the 'Fake News' crap, latest.

Fighting til the end.

Pardon if I have it in mind that there be as little overlap as possible between your end and mine.

You can take Armageddon fantasy as far as you want, and that World Wide Wrestling Cali TV preacher notion of politics along with it, if you would. Just keep it in your own decrepit dogshit infested backyard, thank you.






thishereboi -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 2:36:24 AM)

smug pompous ass




Edwird -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 3:11:44 AM)


Anybody with two functioning neurons is a pompous ass to you, sunshine.




InfoMan -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 6:15:16 AM)

... Both of those terms where actually Military Terms to identify a form of disinformation which was practiced in Soviet Russia by the Stalin Regime.

The irony here is that while you sit here and try and claim it as being 'leftist' ideas, the fact is that these 'leftist terms' you claim are actually insults to the left.

Politically correct are terms that are Correct only from a Political standpoint... not from a scientific or factual one.
Fake News is a distraction when you can't form factual counter points.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 6:23:41 AM)

Being called a leftist is an insult???
nope, its what is being tied to being a "leftist" that is insulting.
Im a proud liberal..a proud leftist...a proud huimanist
But im not a lot of other things that "leftists" are usually accused of being, but then you just have to consider the source of the accusation...




InfoMan -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 6:48:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Being called a leftist is an insult???
nope, its what is being tied to being a "leftist" that is insulting.
Im a proud liberal..a proud leftist...a proud huimanist
But im not a lot of other things that "leftists" are usually accused of being, but then you just have to consider the source of the accusation...



no... not being 'leftist'.
that Political Correctness and Fake News are considered 'leftist' in origin are what is supposed to be insulting to the left.

I admit that part was vague... i edited it for clarity.

Political Correctness is a lie. If something is correct, then it is correct... so why does something 'correct' need the extra designation of being 'Politically' so?
Unless if Politically Correct isn't entirely correct.

It used to be a right leaning insult to the left.
If you can't be Correct - just be Politically Correct.

But as of late... it has become it's own culture...
Political Correctness is being used as an actual driving force.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 6:52:46 AM)

thank you for the clairification.




Edwird -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 10:48:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

... Both of those terms where actually Military Terms to identify a form of disinformation which was practiced in Soviet Russia by the Stalin Regime.

The irony here is that while you sit here and try and claim it as being 'leftist' ideas, the fact is that these 'leftist terms' you claim are actually insults to the left.

Politically correct are terms that are Correct only from a Political standpoint... not from a scientific or factual one.
Fake News is a distraction when you can't form factual counter points.


Actually, no.

"Fake news" as used by latter day neocons and now Trump himself was first presented in regards to the Clinton emails.

Intentional disinformation has been around for centuries, no question, and all military and 'intelligence organizations' have been aware of it and have availed themselves of same as suited purpose. In all the books I've read on the subject, the term "fake news" wasn't mentioned. It was referred to as disinformation.

The term 'politically correct' was actually invoked several times before being used to describe the situation in Russia, some supreme court decision comes to mind.

But the more recent invocation was used by some left writers to purpose of self deprecation or jovial self derision. these more recent uses of the terms are what came to the attention of neocon hacks and their acolytes, and what they latched on to.

This is no different than some neocons in political forums now ragging on HRC for being too aligned with various business interests (true enough) when that has been the platform of and actively promoted by republicans for ages, what Reagan finally brought to fruition, and even as the current administration appoints one fox after another to guard the chicken coop and yet again opens the US treasury to the financial sector.

So yes, some claimed to have voted against Clinton because of being too close to big business, so they voted for a guy who just lets the private sector run the government outright. Starting with himself.





PeonForHer -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 12:45:17 PM)

FR

'Political correctness' has, by now, been used so slackly that it's degenerated into meaning almost anything that the fuming right (the FR) doesn't like about the Left.

It's ironic, really: when the FR slots a given idea into the box labelled 'politically correct', it ceases to listen. Likewise, when I hear a fuming rightie using the term 'politically correct' I pretty much assume he's got fuck all to say that's worth listening to thereafter.




Musicmystery -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 12:59:26 PM)

~FR~

So, basically, now we're debating whether the definitions of fake news and political correctness are simply fake for the sake of political correctness.





Lucylastic -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:00:23 PM)

With regards to whinging about what is and what isnt PC, I agree it is wired to my auto ignore button...people have beat it to a snot.




thompsonx -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:04:39 PM)


ORIGINAL: InfoMan



Political Correctness is a lie. If something is correct, then it is correct... so why does something 'correct' need the extra designation of being 'Politically' so?
Unless if Politically Correct isn't entirely correct.

No dumbass. politically correct is just a slur for anything someone does not approve of in another.
Kinda like it is not p.c. to use the word nigger...not so...people say it is not pc but what they mean is they will be recognized for what they are if they use it.
They snivel that blacks use the word all the time so why can't they. The fact is that they are free to use that word any time they choose. They do not becauee they don't have the balls to be in public what they are in private...In short they are bigots but not proud of it so they snivel like a little boy with a sore dick.





PeonForHer -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:18:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

So, basically, now we're debating whether the definitions of fake news and political correctness are simply fake for the sake of political correctness.





Re 'fake news' ... from this side of the pond, what's going on in the USA looks just astonishing. The President is one side accusing the media of making up stories, and the media is on the other side doing the same thing to the President. I foresee a lot of people all round being hoist by their own petard. But I see Trump coming out of it the worst.




Musicmystery -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:20:58 PM)

It looks just astonishing from this side of the pond too.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:22:55 PM)

And from up here




thompsonx -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 1:28:20 PM)

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Re 'fake news' ... from this side of the pond, what's going on in the USA looks just astonishing. The President is one side accusing the media of making up stories, and the media is on the other side doing the same thing to the President. I foresee a lot of people all round being hoist by their own petard. But I see Trump coming out of it the worst.


A gent by the name of sam clemons once said "a man with a pen is not someone you should phoque with.




bounty44 -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 5:54:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

smug pompous ass


hey that line looks familiar! laughs...




InfoMan -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 5:59:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

No dumbass. politically correct is just a slur for anything someone does not approve of in another.
Kinda like it is not p.c. to use the word nigger...not so...people say it is not pc but what they mean is they will be recognized for what they are if they use it.
They snivel that blacks use the word all the time so why can't they. The fact is that they are free to use that word any time they choose. They do not becauee they don't have the balls to be in public what they are in private...In short they are bigots but not proud of it so they snivel like a little boy with a sore dick.



Politically Correct is a list of words which are supposed to be used by political entities which are more formal or professional sounding way to refer to things in order to garner the highest approval rating and prevent insulting any body.

It was also used to intentionally deceive people by using technically correct language specifically to twist public opinion.
case in point:
[image]http://cdn77.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/water9.jpg[/image]





AtUrCervix -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 6:37:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird


These and other terms beyond the title of the post were first brought to attention by the news media, and the latter actually conjured by some 'leftie' magazine commentator, it might have been the Village Voice, somewhere in the 1980's.

So why then do alt-cons so readily take to terms actually originated by the left?

Because they lack the basic critical thought process or interest in matters of fact in any regard to have ever come upon such notion by their own faculties. They are inherently lacking in capacity for anything resembling original thought (not to say that some bog standard liberals aren't guilty of same), and their sense of recognition of distinction and difference extends to "that's the burger, that's the fries," and no further.

Philosophical or ideological theft or rhetorical device pilfering is the only recourse for the unimaginative and mentally unresourceful, especially when consistently on the short end of it. History tells us how this works out, when that side get's ahold of things.

"Fake news" was a late comer when regarding HR Clinton's emails. But such accusation is now invoked as a preemptive strike against the media which served Trump so well in getting elected, not so well now. Oh my.

Trump and his slick-hair "California preacher" schtick got him and his followers on board ("he is more inspirational!"), and they just can't understand why nobody want's to go to all Jonestown with it like they do; hence the 'Fake News' crap, latest.

Fighting til the end.

Pardon if I have it in mind that there be as little overlap as possible between your end and mine.

You can take Armageddon fantasy as far as you want, and that World Wide Wrestling Cali TV preacher notion of politics along with it, if you would. Just keep it in your own decrepit dogshit infested backyard, thank you.



Why in the FUCK do we all have to debate someone who has the fucking (factual) docs in his hands (you think YOU do???) ?

I'm not stooopit (jeeeezus fucking H....Bush rolled out bullshit "facts" for everyone to see....sold the whole gawdamned fucking world on his gig)...no one knew Carter had helicopters in Iran just weeks before the election....until 3 days AFTER (and he never said a word)....everyone thought Reagan was a gawdamn fucking GENIUS....yet NO ONE steps up and says "Yeah....fuck....the 80's rocked....I made fuckloads of money" and then tells the truth"but...I did it on the backs of all ya'll....quadrupling our debt....thanks for the cash....dudes"...

(That would, of course be....the truth...that all you whiney fucking little bitches seem to find a way around....arguing..."it ain't fucking faiiiirrrrrrrr.....oohhhh....noooooooo"...."Mr Bill....hellllllllllp meeeeeeeeeeeeee").

All kinds of shit goes on...current dude is trying....last dude tried....fucked up...

Shit he's (current dude) doing is MAGNITUDES smarter than previous dude.

Gawwwd....so much wasted fucking oxygen...when you could all be working....buying shit....building shit...like....YOUR FUCKING FUTURE!!!!

Dumb fucks.

TOTAL fucking morons.

Every fucking one of you that are whining that "it ain't fair"....."I can't get ahead"...."they're FUCKING me!!!"

Ya know...I've made millions over the last 30 some years watching all you dumb fucks piss and moan...and while you did....I bought real estate, built buildings, sold buildings, bought MORE buildings....BUILT more buildings.

(And no...my Dad didn't finance me....he was a dick...yeah...I really did do it all on my own....working for $2.37 an hour in 1975 and working my way up...).

What a fucking waste of time....all you whiney dumb ass little bitches are.

All crying about how the system is fucking you.

YOU'RE fucking you.

Dumb fucks.

Fucking servile idiots.

All you dumbfucks think Republicans are the assholes.....(the other side, of course, thinks Democrats are the assholes).

Guess who the assholes are?

All you dumbfucks who think the other guy is the asshole, who spend inordinate effort explaining to EVERYONE who's fucking up everything (Ohhhh....Nooooo....)....instead of building YOUR future.

Fucking idiots.

(By the way...heads up....notice: Rent's going up on the first....be on time).




thompsonx -> RE: Fake news, political correctness (2/22/2017 7:01:13 PM)


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Ya know...I've made millions over the last 30 some years watching all you dumb fucks piss and moan...and while you did....I bought real estate, built buildings, sold buildings, bought MORE buildings....BUILT more buildings.

Of course you did,dumb don is a billionaire and lucy and jlf will be the next king and queen of england.[8|]





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