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BoscoX -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 7:26:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: susie

The first thing they should consider is how to remove the Insurance companies out of your healthcare system. They are there to make money for themselves and are not about patient care.


Nice try but no one believes that government bureaucracies are as efficient as market forces, or that sassy fat-assed bureaucrats work for free




thompsonx -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 7:30:24 AM)


ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Nice try but no one believes that government bureaucracies are as efficient as market forces, or that sassy fat-assed bureaucrats work for free


Is that why nampa idaho has a private police department and a private fire deparetment?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.





mnottertail -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 7:41:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: susie

The first thing they should consider is how to remove the Insurance companies out of your healthcare system. They are there to make money for themselves and are not about patient care.


Nice try but no one believes that government bureaucracies are as efficient as market forces, or that sassy fat-assed bureaucrats work for free

NO one with a brain believes market forces are efficient or corporate takers work for free our your best interests.




Real0ne -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 7:46:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: susie

The first thing they should consider is how to remove the Insurance companies out of your healthcare system. They are there to make money for themselves and are not about patient care.



and the only way that can be done is to put it totally under da gubmint, then we get Tuskagee heaven! Lucy first! LOL




dcnovice -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 8:13:08 AM)

FR

I don't have firsthand experience with government-provided healthcare, but I can attest that private healthcare is not without its own significant issues.




tamaka -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 11:24:59 AM)

Why can't the US do the same thing that Massachusetts does?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 6:46:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Why can't the US do the same thing that Massachusetts does?


It's not authorized to do so in the US Constitution? States can do it, if they so choose. I'm almost shocked that NY and CA haven't followed MA on this.




tamaka -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 9:02:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have healthcare that isnt complicated for me...
so you are talking thru your anal flap again.



Obama: Old people don't need life saving treatments. They can just take a pill...


You know though, there is some point where the medical care given to people that are very very old is ridiculous. I mean, performing cpr on an 88 year old nursing home patient seems pretty ridiculous to me.


maybe you would like to stand and watch and do nothing to an 88 year old person, as they die...


I watched my grandmother as she was dying, chest heaving, gasping for breath. My cousin is an RN in a nursing home and she tells me stories of families who insist that they do cpr on their family member. She can feel their ribs breaking and she has to do it anyway. Sometimes it just gets to a point where people need to accept death.


Around 90 they try to convince the family to convince mom or dad to sign a DNR...Do Not Resuscitate form. That is unless of course they are on a very profitable drug or therapy protocol.

The hosp., insisted on 4-6 weeks of chemo upon discovering lung cancer in my father at the age of 83 even though everybody knew it wouldn't cure him or even slow death. Sure enough, after 6 weeks, they took him off chemo put him on a morphine drip and he could shake all of our hands...goodbye.

[They] ALL wanted that extra $20-$25,000 in treatment for which they could further rape Medicare. Plus $750-$1,000 a day for the hospital stay. Total for less than his last 2 months...$40,000.



Yes i read somewhere recently that chemo is often prescribed (not just to elderly but to everyone) because the prescribing doctor gets a big kickback from the insurance company. So they prescribe it often even if they know it won't do anything.




tamaka -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (2/28/2017 9:06:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Tamaka...maybe I should clarify my comment to

Maybe you would like to stand and watch and do nothing for an 88 year old person, as they die... When they can be helped, Im not talking about DNRs or CPR expectations and family wishes.
I do understand a families position. We had to make the decision about my father. My mother in law and a brother.
I also know what its like as a nurse. So that was my bad, for not clarifying further.
I meant no disrespect to your loss and experience..





Thanks for clarifying.




Greta75 -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (3/1/2017 5:28:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie
The UK system is not perfect but at the moment my Mother is in hospital after a fall. She is 86 and has had 2 operations on her hip and broken femur. She is about to be moved to a rehabilitaion hospital close to her home where they will provide her with physio and care to get her back on her feet and walking again. No cost to her and her care has been amazing. All paid for by the NHS which is funded by contributions she made while she was working. No middle man Insurance company involved to raise the cost of care.

It works for UK. It works for Canada.

But Americans are a different breed. They do not trust their government to be capable of running health care efficiently. On top of that, every state runs like individual countries.

I feel with the US, just the way it works over there, it would be difficult for them to get any kind of Universal health care.

But their best option actually in my opinion is to have the government negotiate with 1 or 2 or 3 insurers, and negotiate as a WHOLE country, to get everybody covered, including pre-existing, and honestly, I believe that will get the price of health insurance down.

Most insurers will be able to offer better coverage and benefits at lower cost, IF they are guaranteed the entire population of the US.

But of course, US will never agree to such a thing as again, it's like 51 different countries under one roof.

I mean, the insurance cost of health care in the US now, is like literally 4 to 5 times of other countries on par with them. That is because, they don't have like, one insurer taking care of everybody. More competition is not really good with insurance. The government should make the demands on what they want the insurance to cover and at what price range it needs to be offered at. And whichever major insuring company can fulfill all the conditions, gets to cover the whole country.

I am 100% sure, cost will be so much lowered and be on par with most other countries.

And personally. The insurance that was negotiated by our government to our insurers here, is 100% coverage, everything AS CHARGED per whatever is in the bill. IF they want to be part of the insurer that covers the citizens here.

That works out. All these deductibles are crazy! Of course citizens also have a choice to pay even lower premiums IF they want to deal with a deductible.

I was reading some Obama care plans now come with as much as 10,000 deductibles. That's as good as not getting insured. And yet, you get fined for not getting Obama care. So either way, you are screwed. And it would take only critical stage to hit over 10k worth of medical bills, so anything under 10k, which is all the prevention or early stage stuffs. Is all under your own account. That's ridiculous. More people will not be able to afford early treatment then! With all their excess cash going into Premiums.




Real0ne -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (3/1/2017 5:38:53 AM)

what ever gave you that idea greta?

Feds step up investigations as drugs vanish at some VA hospitals

VA still plagued by problems two years after scandal

Inspectors rip Phoenix VA hospital again for delayed care


clearly the US gubmint does an exemplerary job on everything!




Greta75 -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (3/1/2017 5:46:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

what ever gave you that idea greta?

Feds step up investigations as drugs vanish at some VA hospitals

VA still plagued by problems two years after scandal

Inspectors rip Phoenix VA hospital again for delayed care


clearly the US gubmint does an exemplerary job on everything!



But if everything is left to private. What that is happening right now, is not a solution as well, as private hospitals work on profits. IF the government can run the health care. They can simply run on self-sustaining model rather than trying to make as much as possible for their shareholders.

And there will be teething problems I am sure. But as with building anything from scratch. There will be things to over come.

I mean, we are now looking at an inexperienced Politician bumbling his way as President right now. I know eventually he will get his groove. But I expect things not to go smoothly at first and he will learn from the challenges.

Same thing with getting health care under government jurisdiction.




thompsonx -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (3/1/2017 7:05:18 AM)


ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
ORIGINAL: tamaka
Why can't the US do the same thing that Massachusetts does?[/quote]

It's not authorized to do so in the US Constitution? States can do it, if they so choose. I'm almost shocked that NY and CA haven't followed MA on this.

Judicial review is not authorized by the constitution but you seem to be on board with that?




thompsonx -> RE: Trump: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated" (3/1/2017 7:08:51 AM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

It works for UK. It works for Canada.

But Americans are a different breed.

Why do you think amerikans are not human?


They do not trust their government to be capable of running health care efficiently.

You are full of shit. Amerikans seem pretty happy with medicare.


On top of that, every state runs like individual countries.

You are full of shit. Read the phoquing constitution dumbass.




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