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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 2:58:34 PM   
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"You pass the office and see people either applying for or on food stamps with the latest smart phone, tablet or what have you, the parking lot is full of late model cars and pick ups, and you have to ask yourself, "If they are on foodstamps cause they cant afford food, how the fuck can they afford a $500 smart phone and a new fucking car?" "

Shit like that is why we got guns.

T^T

Yeah make the thieving fuckers turn in their cars and take the bus. In fact, make them sit in the back of the bus.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 4:32:56 PM   
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What is wrong with bringing in LEGAL workers, per a quota system as needed. People who are vetted. As in, screen out the junkies and the gang bangers and those with a criminal history

You know, according to the laws we have in place, that the Democrats voted for

We used to have a system that worked like that with temporary worker visas, but the left insisted this was unfair to the workers.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 4:37:46 PM   
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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 4:40:47 PM   
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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 4:45:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"You pass the office and see people either applying for or on food stamps with the latest smart phone, tablet or what have you, the parking lot is full of late model cars and pick ups, and you have to ask yourself, "If they are on foodstamps cause they cant afford food, how the fuck can they afford a $500 smart phone and a new fucking car?" "

Shit like that is why we got guns.

T^T

Yeah make the thieving fuckers turn in their cars and take the bus. In fact, make them sit in the back of the bus.



Vincent, please, explain how, considering the average new car payment is around $400 a month, how someone on food stamps can afford, or better yet, justify having a new car?

Between social security disability and an insurance disability payment, paying my mortgage, utility bills, car payment and insurance (on a good used truck so $250) and groceries, I have a very limited amount of cash on hand during the month, and according to the Federal Guidelines, when all is said and done, I am just over the poverty line.

Now, you have people claiming to have almost no income driving a new car, or as I said, late model car with a $500 dollar cell phone getting 300 plus in food stamps.



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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 6:27:20 PM   
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"Strawberries, Peaches, and Pomegranates."

In the event I ever wrote up a workable tune, I've got the title in any case.

So flighty, so flakey, etc. As much as my distaste for that sort of thing in general myself, knowing how much it would crawl up the arse of the easily disturbed would make it an entertaining venture. Actually, I'd have to go back to mid-40s or latter-60's pop radio for inspiration as to appropriately awful silly music for it.

Just wait for the followup; "Snowflakes and Sunflowers."

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 6:44:17 PM   
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"Strawberries, Peaches, and Pomegranates."
In the event I ever wrote up a workable tune, I've got the title in any case.
So flighty, so flakey, etc. As much as my distaste for that sort of thing in general myself, knowing how much it would crawl up the arse of the easily disturbed would make it an entertaining venture. Actually, I'd have to go back to mid-40s or latter-60's pop radio for inspiration as to appropriately awful silly music for it.
Just wait for the followup; "Snowflakes and Sunflowers."


Don't forget the rousing tune to bring it all together: "Lollipops and Cotton Candy."


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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 6:55:46 PM   
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Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.


Maybe more expensive welfare would pave the way. Not to say that thousands of farm workers aren't in fact below poverty level while Monsanto and Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland and Koch Brothers are the biggest suckers of tax dollars aside from the oil companies and defense contractors, and now lately banks, that being why the US has far and away the most expensive welfare system in the world if properly accounted for. But I see your point. Get rid of the people who finagle a few dollars and it will make it more affordable to accommodate those who steal by the billions.

Funny you should mention agriculture RE welfare.





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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:26:26 PM   
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But as for the stream of thought here...there are many holes in the various arguments here.

First of all, we don't know if those cars are new.

Which leads to second, we don't know the current situation of each applicant.

Let's take a good look, ok ? This is from a couple of people I knew back east who were on disability who were in fact very disabled and on food stamps.

To be standing in line means they are applying not on food stamps as I am told...it's now all electronic (a card) hence the abbr. EBT or electronic benefits transfer and once on...no more standing in line.

That means several conditions could be at play here.

.....they just got laid off and are applying.

.....they had the car when they got laid off. Just as in most govt. programs, to my knowledge, there is a minimum threshold of possessions applicants are allowed to keep, like a car and a house, even though.....

(handling my mother's estate, in order to qualify for reduced property taxes, her house had to assessed at less than $600,000)

.....applicants may be also in the process...of losing both the car and the house through the inability to pay. After all, T8r has a point because they are applying for food stamps because without a doubt, we all know...they don't want to work to actually continue to enjoy what middle class life they are in the process of leaving behind.

Besides, let's look at what is obviously really important. Let's call it the big picture shall we ?

We all know that the American taxpayers are rich enough to pay for this and pay the debt service on the additional trillion$ in debt coming from tax cuts and say...$54 billion more to the pentagon etc.

Plus there is still going to be plenty of countless billion$ available for subsidies to Exxon/Mobile, et al and Monsanto or Archer Daniels Midland, etc. etc.

And doesn't bring a very patriotic tear to your eye to know that you are working so hard to pay taxes to make sure that multi-billion corp. needs this money and on top of some beautiful billion$ in profits ?

So let's continue to make America great again and further in debt and as much or more because the better off corp. America is...the better off you are. You begin to see now, what's really important here ?

Oh and as for the farm workers and their lack of minimum federal labor standards as opposed to other workers. They can take it or leave it...fuck 'em.

Why not after proving their bone fides...an Agric. Green card ? I mean if we can exempt them from equal treatment of federal labor standards, then we can come up with a separate card..Ok, ok, red card or yellow or.....? Yellow would be good, same as corn the current bullshit federal cash cow.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:26:52 PM   
tamaka


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Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.


Maybe more expensive welfare would pave the way. Not to say that thousands of farm workers aren't in fact below poverty level while Monsanto and Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland and Koch Brothers are the biggest suckers of tax dollars aside from the oil companies and defense contractors, and now lately banks, that being why the US has far and away the most expensive welfare system in the world if properly accounted for. But I see your point. Get rid of the people who finagle a few dollars and it will make it more affordable to accommodate those who steal by the billions.

Funny you should mention agriculture RE welfare.






How are the Koch Brothers, et al getting tax dollars?



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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:39:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.


Maybe more expensive welfare would pave the way. Not to say that thousands of farm workers aren't in fact below poverty level while Monsanto and Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland and Koch Brothers are the biggest suckers of tax dollars aside from the oil companies and defense contractors, and now lately banks, that being why the US has far and away the most expensive welfare system in the world if properly accounted for. But I see your point. Get rid of the people who finagle a few dollars and it will make it more affordable to accommodate those who steal by the billions.

Funny you should mention agriculture RE welfare.






How are the Koch Brothers, et al getting tax dollars?




You do make me laugh.

The fossil fuel barons, Charles and David Koch, have long advocated for "economic freedom" and a smaller government. They have slammed "collectivism" and market distorting subsidies.

In 2012, Charles Koch decried corporate welfare and “crony capitalism” in the pages of the Wall Street Journal: “Far too many well-connected businesses are feeding at the federal trough. By addressing corporate welfare as well as other forms of welfare, we would add a whole new level of understanding to the notion of entitlement reform,” he wrote.

The Koch's “secret bank” Freedom Partners has spent hundreds of millions in elections in part to tackle “‘rent-seeking,’ ‘corporate welfare,’ and other forms of cronyism.”

Good Jobs First unveiled a new, upgraded version of the their Subsidy Tracker data base which aggregates subsidy recipient data from more than 700 state, local, and federal economic development programs.

Click on "Koch Industries" in their parent companies list and voila! $157 million in state and federal subsidies are revealed, with an additional $6.2 million in federal loan guarantees.

Louisiana has ponied up the most $77 million in subsidies for the Koch operations, followed by $25 million in Oregon, $21 million in Oklahoma, and $15 million in Iowa.

These are all states that could use the cash.

Surely Charles and David Koch don't want to sully themselves with subsidies? With a combined net worth estimated to be $82 billion dollars, they are two of richest men in the world.

Its time to ask @Koch_Industries to give it back.

HERE

They own 2 million acres (oil) in Canada and when their oil reaches Houston can be 'exported' tax free !! Houston is in a federal 'free enterprise' zone. What could be better than...free enterprise...tax free ?

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:53:58 PM   
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How are the Koch Brothers, et al getting tax dollars?


Farm subsidies, price supports, last I looked (probably changed now) 45 cents a total gallon for putting 10% ethanol into it, directly from the US Treasury, and probably half a dozen other things I don't know about. True, there are the agrochem contributions to universities, but the payoff has been fantastic, which foundation was state and to some extent US supported. Our tax dollars at work, which generally I don't mind, not even some bit of financial benefit to some extent to the private sector. They pay their taxes, too (except for the oil companies, GE, and whatever hundred others) , just like the rest of us. We all deserve the benefit.

If it makes you feel any better (it does me, a little bit), Europe is conspicuously worse about the subsidies and supports than the US, especially La France.

In any case, what economical sense is there in doing everything to increase supply and then subsidizing or 'price supporting' the inevitable outcome of that?




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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 8:25:31 PM   
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Could be catchy Edwin.

But as for the stream of thought here...there are many holes in the various arguments here. ...

Besides, let's look at what is obviously really important. Let's call it the big picture shall we ?


Look, I really don't care that some are making millions or a few of them a billion in this country. The happens in Sweden too, if anybody cares.

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We all know that the American taxpayers are rich enough to pay for this and pay the debt service on the additional trillion$ in debt coming from tax cuts and say...$54 billion more to the pentagon etc.


The American worker and the American tax payer and the American no-taxpayer are different things, just wanted to point that out.


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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 8:43:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

"Strawberries, Peaches, and Pomegranates."
In the event I ever wrote up a workable tune, I've got the title in any case.
So flighty, so flakey, etc. As much as my distaste for that sort of thing in general myself, knowing how much it would crawl up the arse of the easily disturbed would make it an entertaining venture. Actually, I'd have to go back to mid-40s or latter-60's pop radio for inspiration as to appropriately awful silly music for it.
Just wait for the followup; "Snowflakes and Sunflowers."


Don't forget the rousing tune to bring it all together: "Lollipops and Cotton Candy."


Lesley Gore, got it covered.

Sunshine, Lollipops And Rainbows

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 9:02:54 PM   
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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 9:12:02 PM   
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Just wait for the followup; "Snowflakes and Sunflowers."

Don't forget the rousing tune to bring it all together: "Lollipops and Cotton Candy."


"Butterfly Blueberry Pancakes," let's not forget that old classic.



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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 9:39:29 PM   
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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 9:53:01 PM   
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Don't forget the rousing tune to bring it all together: "Lollipops and Cotton Candy."


If paying homage to late '60s Catholicl-turned hippie, "Chimes, Chalice, and Spare Change."


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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 9:54:19 PM   
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I'm getting too much caught up with this. Time to step off, after leaving you with "Rainbows, Ravioli, and Razor Blades."



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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 11:20:13 PM   
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Could be catchy Edwin.

But as for the stream of thought here...there are many holes in the various arguments here. ...

Besides, let's look at what is obviously really important. Let's call it the big picture shall we ?


Look, I really don't care that some are making millions or a few of them a billion in this country. The happens in Sweden too, if anybody cares.

quote:

We all know that the American taxpayers are rich enough to pay for this and pay the debt service on the additional trillion$ in debt coming from tax cuts and say...$54 billion more to the pentagon etc.


The American worker and the American tax payer and the American no-taxpayer are different things, just wanted to point that out.



Still what you have is not on point and I am confident you do...get my point.

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