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Greta75 -> Science says Ghost do not exist (3/1/2017 12:13:25 AM)

Interesting.

I live in a culture that many believe in the existence of ghosts. And almost all my friends have ghost sightings stories and truly believed they have seen one.

I mean, we have Hungry Ghost Festival, where we believe all our dead ancestors will roam the earth when hell gates open. And we would burn them gifts. Paper houses, paper ferraris, loads of hell money, etc. And a big feast will be prepared. Roast Duck, Roast Pig. And the food prepared for the ghosts are meant for the ghosts to dine, we would set up a whole proper dining table with all the food for them, and prepare Chinese Wine for them to drink.

And the food we serve to them, is meant for the Ghosts, so we can't eat them.

And now here science is saying, if Ghosts actually exists, they would die anyway, due to needed too much energy to exist ha!

It's just interesting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ghosts-brian-cox-large-hadron-collider-cern-real-truth-standard-model-physics-a7598026.html




DocStrange -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/3/2017 3:34:26 PM)

Hmm, flawed assumption that ghosts must be pure energy. If the ghosts exists in another dimension, then time would be relative to their space/time. A 100 years our time could be a mere hour of ghost time. So even if they were made of pure energy, they may exist longer than us. Points to ponder.




jlf1961 -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/3/2017 3:49:32 PM)

While I admit that Brian Cox is indeed brilliant, however, neither he, nor Hawking or anyone else has explained one very simple thing that their big bang theory assumes.

While it is accepted and proven that subatomic particles, at the quantum level at least, can pop into and out of existence at random.

CERN researchers have actually observed this.

HOWEVER, in that case, we are talking about infinitesimally small, low mass particles.

However, the math breaks down on how an infinitesimally massive yet infinitely small singularity can suddenly pop into existence and with zero outside influence, suddenly explode and expand to form the universe.

Now, for that to happen, something had to act on the singularity, adding energy to the mix.

As far as some have explained, that energy probably leaked into our space time from another universe.

So if it can happen then, why not now?

Then there is this:

quote:

“Imagine waking up one day and realizing that you actually live inside a computer game,” says Mark Van Raamsdonk, describing what sounds like a pitch for a science-fiction film.

But for Mark Van Raamsdonk, a physicist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, this scenario is a way to think about reality.



If it is true, he says,

“everything around us - the whole three-dimensional physical world - is an illusion born from information encoded elsewhere, on a two-dimensional chip”.

That would make our Universe, with its three spatial dimensions, a kind of hologram, projected from a substrate that exists only in lower dimensions.

This 'holographic principle' is strange even by the usual standards of theoretical physics. But Van Raamsdonk is one of a small band of researchers who think that the usual ideas are not yet strange enough.



If nothing else, they say, neither of the two great pillars of modern physics - general relativity, which describes gravity as a curvature of space and time, and quantum mechanics, which governs the atomic realm - gives any account for the existence of space and time. Neither does string theory, which describes elementary threads of energy.

Van Raamsdonk and his colleagues are convinced that physics will not be complete until it can explain how space and time emerge from something more fundamental - a project that will require concepts at least as audacious as holography.



They argue that such a radical reconceptualization of reality is the only way to explain what happens when the infinitely dense 'singularity' at the core of a black hole distorts the fabric of space-time beyond all recognition, or how researchers can unify atomic-level quantum theory and planet-level general relativity - a project that has resisted theorists' efforts for generations.

“All our experiences tell us we shouldn't have two dramatically different conceptions of reality - there must be one huge overarching theory,” says Abhay Ashtekar, a physicist at Pennsylvania State University in University Park.


In which case, someone needs to hit the reset button




DocStrange -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/3/2017 4:55:16 PM)

They have been looking for that single unified theory for a long time now. They will find it someday, but maybe not in our lifetime. Though I would like to see it.




CaptR -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/4/2017 5:49:36 AM)

Science aside, my mother passed when I was very young after a protracted battle with cancer. There have been times in my life where I've felt her presence (usually while making questionable decisions) so strongly I could literally feel her next to me and smell the perfume she wore. I've never questioned if there are ghosts because I don't believe in the traditional interpretation of the word. However, through my experiences I know the dead can be with us if they choose and that comforts me.
Pound particles, examine energy and theorize to heart's content I think we don't know everything yet and until we join that ethereal world we'll never gain a true understanding of it. Isn't that right Dave? No I can't let you in.




womenshouseslave -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/4/2017 6:30:32 AM)

Well Science is one hell of an Ass.




needlesandpins -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/4/2017 8:39:57 AM)

Generally I have a lot of time for BC, but the dude needs to live in my old house for 6 months, and then try claiming there are no ghosts. Hell he can come and live here, and by the old house's standards this one is quiet, tame, and fricking peachy as it brings baby boy's socks in to the house that had no way of getting here, plays music and tapping games with the neighbour's daughter through a room that is packed with boxes, has a spirit that took a hold of my son's ex to guide her in the dark, turns lights on, sits on beds, moves pillows on beds to prop themselves up, puts smoke in the house when no-one here smokes, oranges that we don't have, strong perfumes I don't wear, walking in the bathroom, on the landing and stairs, the opening of doors ... and so much more. My old house is apparent having lots of fun with the new woman in my ex's life, and that house has scared the absolute crap out of a lot of people!

As for energy, and what Ghosts are; I don't care what people believe, but ghosts have always been around me, and I had always said something very specific about where I wanted to live when I was older. I saw a clairvoyant on very high recommendation, because I do know there are frauds, and just as I was leaving she said to me- It won't work you know. You think that if you build your own house on your own land that they will leave you alone, because you will be the only one to have lived there. But it won't work because it's you they are drawn to. They use your energy to help them get to where they need to be. You're a sensitive, and they feel it, but you don't want them. If you trained you could really develop this. Not only that though, someone has always walked this land before us.

She was spot on. She couldn't possibly have known that about me, and our how session was recorded, so I knew there were no hints for her to read between the lines. I saw her first, I booked the session, and it was before the internet. She had no way of knowing.

Needles




AGuyNamedDave -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/4/2017 8:43:42 AM)

In other news: Water Found To Be Wet!






DocStrange -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/5/2017 1:50:54 PM)

It is interesting.....many people use science to rule things out or say something does not exist. The funny part is, the deeper we delve into science, the more we learn there are a great many things we do not know nor understand. Black holes in space were an impossibility for a long time, now we know they are the center of every galaxy. Ghosts we may be able some day to prove/measure their existence. For now, you will have to take it on faith.




womenshouseslave -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/6/2017 4:06:43 AM)

Just like many folks on these boards Science is often bigoted and prejudiced to a narrow range of perspectives and declines to view anything it feels does not fit into its perceived perspective of the universe. To those who have had so called Paranormal experiences and then spoken to Psychiatrists and Neurologists no illness is ever detected to explain what they saw and hallucinating are often ruled out. There are now known to be at least 11 dimensions and we only operaste in 3 so at least 8 dimensions are above and beyond our own visual and sensory experience unless they accidentally cross into each other. I have had several such encounters yet only ever saw one solid ghost who then disintergrated and disappeared leaving a gold outline were he had stood. I was paralysed during the short encounter and regained use of my limbs thereafter, except for my lower limbs which remained weak for several hours afterwards. I lay in bed all night awake thinking had I seen a Ghost are was I illusinating and maybe had a minor stroke. I was watching a film and it was 2am in the morning when it occurred. A young man carrying a brown box walked through my bedroom wall and was wearing a light colored shirt and dark pants. I have also woken up twice in the last 15 years to feel a heavy weight pressing down on my body and I sleep alone.




jlf1961 -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/6/2017 5:16:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Generally I have a lot of time for BC, but the dude needs to live in my old house for 6 months, and then try claiming there are no ghosts. Hell he can come and live here, and by the old house's standards this one is quiet, tame, and fricking peachy as it brings baby boy's socks in to the house that had no way of getting here, plays music and tapping games with the neighbour's daughter through a room that is packed with boxes, has a spirit that took a hold of my son's ex to guide her in the dark, turns lights on, sits on beds, moves pillows on beds to prop themselves up, puts smoke in the house when no-one here smokes, oranges that we don't have, strong perfumes I don't wear, walking in the bathroom, on the landing and stairs, the opening of doors ... and so much more. My old house is apparent having lots of fun with the new woman in my ex's life, and that house has scared the absolute crap out of a lot of people!

As for energy, and what Ghosts are; I don't care what people believe, but ghosts have always been around me, and I had always said something very specific about where I wanted to live when I was older. I saw a clairvoyant on very high recommendation, because I do know there are frauds, and just as I was leaving she said to me- It won't work you know. You think that if you build your own house on your own land that they will leave you alone, because you will be the only one to have lived there. But it won't work because it's you they are drawn to. They use your energy to help them get to where they need to be. You're a sensitive, and they feel it, but you don't want them. If you trained you could really develop this. Not only that though, someone has always walked this land before us.

She was spot on. She couldn't possibly have known that about me, and our how session was recorded, so I knew there were no hints for her to read between the lines. I saw her first, I booked the session, and it was before the internet. She had no way of knowing.

Needles



Well, as far as ghosts go, there is a local spot that is said to be haunted by not one but three entities, one a Comanche brave, the second is a Comanche shaman, and the third is a Comanche woman.

I went up there sober one night with some friends, and we saw some strange things that did not have explanation.

Needless to say, when we got back to town the sober part quickly was replaced with shit faced and none of us will go up there at night again.




needlesandpins -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/6/2017 11:26:04 AM)

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Needles




jlf1961 -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/6/2017 2:14:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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Needles



Look, I have been in combat, rode out cat 4 and five hurricanes at sea, rode bulls and broncs, but there are some things that I have seen I do not want to see again, nor do I want to experience again.

This incident tops the list.

Now, should you visit this part of the world, I will gladly give you directions to Fort Phantom hill, and the ruins of the old fort that is there, AND the location of the fort cemetery.

Oh, the fort was built in an area the Comanche buried their war dead prior to the US Cav building Fort Phantom, the name of which was a pointed joke at the local Comanche.

In its short history, the fort had two out breaks of yellow fever, and the river that was its primary water supply shifted its channel by 3 mile, after one of the extremely infrequent earth quakes this part of the US gets.

So YOU figure out what the fuck was going on.




needlesandpins -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/6/2017 2:40:51 PM)

Hey, I have the up most respect for the dead, and there are some places I think are best left untrod. I think the Native American Ancestors have been violated enough without me adding to the stream. I get seriously uncomfortable when I see them disturbing the dead, and I know they say that the spirits don't hang out where they are buried, but when I visit graveyards that are over crowded, and I have to tread too close between their resting places, or they have already been disturbed, I always give my apologies.

I sit in the corner of my living room opposite the window. Yesterday my right hand, against the wall kept going really cold, so I pointed this out in general to the room, ya know, cut it out 'Whomever' because this is my screwed up hand, and it hurts like a bitch. My son comes in, stands to go upstairs and can a reflection in the window now it's dark. I haven't mentioned this to him, but I ask him what he's looking at. He tells me he can see movement on the wall in the reflection, but not when he looks directly at the wall. So I point out that it could be from the screen of my laptop thinking he means behind me. Wrong wall Mum, I mean right at the side of you where your hand is.

Needles




CaptR -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/7/2017 5:34:26 AM)

Those hurricanes are fun at sea aren't they? Been through three in the Atlantic on different trips to W. Africa on 100 ft ocean going tugboats. Lost two wheelhouse windows in one storm and had to replace with plywood. It was like being on a submarine. 35/40' plus seas definitely bring out your spiritual side.




jlf1961 -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/7/2017 5:41:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CaptR

Those hurricanes are fun at sea aren't they? Been through three in the Atlantic on different trips to W. Africa on 100 ft ocean going tugboats. Lost two wheelhouse windows in one storm and had to replace with plywood. It was like being on a submarine. 35/40' plus seas definitely bring out your spiritual side.


Was deep in the gulf for Andrew on a 120 schooner, at one point we were making 16 knots with heavily reefed sails to keep her under a minimum of control.

The other was a North Atlantic storm when I decided to sign on a season out of Gloucester.

Decided that shrimp boats in the Gulf were much safer, and on an ocean that was not constantly suffering PMS. Lets face it, the North Atlantic is the moodiest bitch of an ocean that ever was. In that one season I woke up to calm seas and by late afternoon 60 foot waves and driving squalls.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/7/2017 6:38:45 PM)


Well, if "science" says it, it must be true.

Like when the best 'science" said that the earth was flat. That worked ou ... I didn't? Okay.

How about when "science" said that we'd never be able to fly. It seems to me ... Oh. Wilbur and Orville Wright? Alright.

What about when "science" said we'd never get to the moon before the end of ... What? We landed men on the moon in 1969? Oh.

You get the idea. Science is a very handy tool, but I doubt they'll ever have all the answers because the more answers they uncover, the more questions they inspire.



Michael




DesFIP -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/7/2017 7:01:45 PM)

If you go to D.C., to the Holocaust Museum, you walk through a cattle car before getting to a room from one of the death camps.

Except I couldn't walk through the car. Empty train car, not labeled that I saw. But the most terrible feelings imaginable.

Several other mothers felt the same way. We handled the rest of it but not that car.

My daughter went there on a school trip a couple of months later. Half her class, teachers, had the same reaction.

Gettysburg caused the same visceral response in me. The Revolutionary War sites don't.




servilevocation -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/8/2017 4:47:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Generally I have a lot of time for BC, but the dude needs to live in my old house for 6 months, and then try claiming there are no ghosts. Hell he can come and live here, and by the old house's standards this one is quiet, tame, and fricking peachy as it brings baby boy's socks in to the house that had no way of getting here, plays music and tapping games with the neighbour's daughter through a room that is packed with boxes, has a spirit that took a hold of my son's ex to guide her in the dark, turns lights on, sits on beds, moves pillows on beds to prop themselves up, puts smoke in the house when no-one here smokes, oranges that we don't have, strong perfumes I don't wear, walking in the bathroom, on the landing and stairs, the opening of doors ... and so much more. My old house is apparent having lots of fun with the new woman in my ex's life, and that house has scared the absolute crap out of a lot of people!

As for energy, and what Ghosts are; I don't care what people believe, but ghosts have always been around me, and I had always said something very specific about where I wanted to live when I was older. I saw a clairvoyant on very high recommendation, because I do know there are frauds, and just as I was leaving she said to me- It won't work you know. You think that if you build your own house on your own land that they will leave you alone, because you will be the only one to have lived there. But it won't work because it's you they are drawn to. They use your energy to help them get to where they need to be. You're a sensitive, and they feel it, but you don't want them. If you trained you could really develop this. Not only that though, someone has always walked this land before us.

She was spot on. She couldn't possibly have known that about me, and our how session was recorded, so I knew there were no hints for her to read between the lines. I saw her first, I booked the session, and it was before the internet. She had no way of knowing.

Needles


You had better get in touch with one of those fake paranormal TV shows and get them to come around and film you whipping naked men, oopps sorry I meant Ghosts?




servilevocation -> RE: Science says Ghost do not exist (3/8/2017 4:49:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

[sm=halloweensmiley_41.gif][sm=afraid.gif][sm=chug.gif]

Needles



Look, I have been in combat, rode out cat 4 and five hurricanes at sea, rode bulls and broncs, but there are some things that I have seen I do not want to see again, nor do I want to experience again.

This incident tops the list.

Now, should you visit this part of the world, I will gladly give you directions to Fort Phantom hill, and the ruins of the old fort that is there, AND the location of the fort cemetery.

Oh, the fort was built in an area the Comanche buried their war dead prior to the US Cav building Fort Phantom, the name of which was a pointed joke at the local Comanche.

In its short history, the fort had two out breaks of yellow fever, and the river that was its primary water supply shifted its channel by 3 mile, after one of the extremely infrequent earth quakes this part of the US gets.

So YOU figure out what the fuck was going on.


Jees dude you are not the only guy who as ever been in combat!




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