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Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" piling up... - 3/3/2017 1:46:50 PM   
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"The need for Congress to figure out why he and his team keep misleading the public about Russia grows more urgent by the day, even if they are ultimately exonerated."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/the-untruths-of-president-trump-are-piling-up/518490/

"Either way, the major obstacle is Trump’s untrustworthiness. He is a frequently mendacious man, and many of his associates possess the same deficiency in character. I do not know if the many untruths Trump and his team have uttered on this subject are making them appear guiltier than they are or obscuring a shocking reality."

Why all the hysteria running from this? If it's above board, say what's true and move on.

If not . . . then that would explain the hysteria at least.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:31:32 PM   
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The Atlantic, all alt left fake news all of the time

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The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The basic formula for every breaking Trump/Russia story is essentially as follows:

The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.
Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.
Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

(Probably best to at least read the relevant statute first.)

5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.




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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:38:48 PM   
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Reaction of the illiterate.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:40:07 PM   
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you can search out the felchgobble to pretend Felchgobbler Gobbles, yet nutsuckers are on tv having come to jebuses all over and recusing or being fired, so it must be Il Douchovitch is creating it and felching it.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:41:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Reaction of the illiterate.


You are such a fucking mnotter tool



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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:41:57 PM   
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But he can read.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:53:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But he can read.


Sure moron, you and your mnottertroll Siamese twin thing are the geniuses here

You just run with that

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 2:57:43 PM   
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There's nothing "genius" about reading.

It's just a good idea.

I'll run with that.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:07:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There's nothing "genius" about reading.

It's just a good idea.

I'll run with that.


Reading would be a step up for you two

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:13:36 PM   
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Four posts, and not a single defense of Trump.

Just a lot of illiterate insults.

Stop. It's boring.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:21:30 PM   
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The Atlantic, all alt left fake news all of the time
Please stop using this stupid epithet, there is no such thing as “alt-left” there is only the left just like the term “alt-facts” that Trump and his dupes use, there is no such thing as “alt-facts” there only facts. Using “alt-left” only makes you sound uneducated.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:28:23 PM   
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I believe it is too late for Trump to come clean an expect the majority of the American public to have faith in his honesty and integrity.

To me there can only be two explanations for Trumps actions. The first... he is guilty of collusion with Russia to aid in his election. The second is he and or members of his campaign are innocent but afraid their talks with Russian representatives would be politically damaging. Rather than tell the truth and look incompetent they decided to lie to the American public. Either explanation is equally abhorrent to me.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:31:29 PM   
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I believe it is too late for Trump to come clean an expect the majority of the American public to have faith in his honesty and integrity.


If you recall, a majority of the American public did NOT have faith in his honesty and integrity. Otherwise, they would have not voted for sleazebag Hillary.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:33:47 PM   
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I believe the majority pegged him as a man child but are willing to give him a chance.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:43:03 PM   
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Four posts, and not a single defense of Trump.

Just a lot of illiterate insults.

Stop. It's boring.


The president doesn't need any defense

There is no evidence backing your hysterical claims that the Russians (Obama and Hillary's friends, established here many times over) fixed the elections

None.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:44:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

The Atlantic, all alt left fake news all of the time
Please stop using this stupid epithet, there is no such thing as “alt-left” there is only the left just like the term “alt-facts” that Trump and his dupes use, there is no such thing as “alt-facts” there only facts. Using “alt-left” only makes you sound uneducated.



An "alt-fact" would be something stated as fact but is actually false. You know, like that thing libtards keep repeating over and over, "Trump colluded with the Russians to fix the election". As far as I can tell, "alt-left" would refer to the libtard types whom tend to spazz out and continue to repeat "alt-facts" such as the example above.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:49:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Four posts, and not a single defense of Trump.

Just a lot of illiterate insults.

Stop. It's boring.


The president doesn't need any defense

There is no evidence backing your hysterical claims that the Russians (Obama and Hillary's friends, established here many times over) fixed the elections

None.


Even if it was true, what means do Trump and the Russians use to fix the election ????? How the Fuck would they have done it ?????

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 3:57:11 PM   
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well as an alt-right retard, why dont you tell us? you are in there tongue deep in the felchgobble, slobbering retarded shit.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 5:10:52 PM   
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well as an alt-right retard, why dont you tell us? you are in there tongue deep in the felchgobble, slobbering retarded shit.




well as an alt-left retard, why dont you tell us? you are in there tongue deep in the felchgobble, slobbering retarded shit.

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RE: Atlantic: Trump's Russia "untruths" pilin... - 3/3/2017 5:29:00 PM   
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especially as they are the ones making the claim; but mnottertroll doesn't understand how that works.

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