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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"Trump and his administration have used rhetoric and pushed policies which support the idea that the West and Islam are incompatible, and that we are in a ongoing war against the Muslim people. You know who else pushes that narrative? Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Trump’s and Bannon’s inflammatory statements and actions are giving ideological ammunition to the terrorists who are seeking new recruits to kill Americans. Al-Qaeda is even featuring Steve Bannon on the cover of their propaganda publication. Thank you President Trump and Mr. Bannon for making our country less safe."

https://thinkprogress.org/al-qaeda-propaganda-is-using-steve-bannons-islamophobia-against-the-u-s-5a7a9cffc8d9#.evmq3yepg

Al Qaeda propaganda is using Steve Bannon’s Islamophobia against the U.S.
“Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America,” says one expert.

"The appearance of Bannon in jihadist media shows how policies forged by his nationalist policies support the notion that the West and Islam are incompatible— a narrative pushed not only by the White House, but by groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS."

“America is clearly becoming a more prominent target,” Kendall told ThinkProgress. “Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America — it was previously on America but also on many other targets like Shiites in Yemen, Iraq and even Syria — but this has really refocused attention on America itself.”

“If you are serious about defeating ISIS, the last thing you want to do is portray the fight as Islam vs. the West,” Fawaz Gerges, chairman of contemporary Middle East studies at the London School of Economics and author of “ISIS: A History,” told CNN.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"Trump and his administration have used rhetoric and pushed policies which support the idea that the West and Islam are incompatible, and that we are in a ongoing war against the Muslim people. You know who else pushes that narrative? Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Trump’s and Bannon’s inflammatory statements and actions are giving ideological ammunition to the terrorists who are seeking new recruits to kill Americans. Al-Qaeda is even featuring Steve Bannon on the cover of their propaganda publication. Thank you President Trump and Mr. Bannon for making our country less safe."

https://thinkprogress.org/al-qaeda-propaganda-is-using-steve-bannons-islamophobia-against-the-u-s-5a7a9cffc8d9#.evmq3yepg

Al Qaeda propaganda is using Steve Bannon’s Islamophobia against the U.S.
“Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America,” says one expert.

"The appearance of Bannon in jihadist media shows how policies forged by his nationalist policies support the notion that the West and Islam are incompatible— a narrative pushed not only by the White House, but by groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS."

“America is clearly becoming a more prominent target,” Kendall told ThinkProgress. “Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America — it was previously on America but also on many other targets like Shiites in Yemen, Iraq and even Syria — but this has really refocused attention on America itself.”

“If you are serious about defeating ISIS, the last thing you want to do is portray the fight as Islam vs. the West,” Fawaz Gerges, chairman of contemporary Middle East studies at the London School of Economics and author of “ISIS: A History,” told CNN.

Islam has been at war against everyone who isn't Islam since Mohammad first began beheading infidels, and cutting off opposing hands and feet and fingertips etc in their campaign of terror which is 1400 years old and still going strong. Estimates are that Muslims have slaughtered up to 800 million infidels to date, and that's not counting the hundreds of millions of women and children they have taken as sex slaves

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

But for most of those 1400 years, by far, most of Islam wasn't radicalized and most of Islam just went about there lives living under a cloud of the unenlightened. True Islam wanted no part of the age of enlightenment but still by far, almost all...were not radicalized.

Then along came factions that the west abhorred but still sought to use to its advantage and yes, both the Taliban and Mujahideen (Jihad) that the west in general and the US specifically underestimated as a continuing diving force under the Taliban to change Islamic govts. to disassociate from the west and create a caliphate then and Bin Laden with his very small following to attack the US.

Then the worst possible scenario became a reality, Saudi Arabia and others were used as staging ground for the west to send their forces. Nothing could piss off the jihadist more. So about the time even after the Iranian rev. Islam was dormant for the most part but now...the west was truly there en masse on their soil and with their power. Smartly...the west got out but missed the chance to take down Saddam then or even soon there after...from the inside.

Then the west concocts a story to once again project their power even in the face of IAEC knowing full well that Saddam once tried but was nowhere near getting nukes and had 'buried' it 12 years prior and actually invades two Islamic countries and the rest as they say...is history.

So now we are also faced with a war of words and what this indicates is a rhetorical battle that from the US and with all of its power, serves to truly radicalize or even re-radicalize even more of Islam. And Trump admin, is doing just that. Unless somehow that makes you feel good because you feel right...contrast that with Bush II both before and after 9/11.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

But for most of those 1400 years, by far, most of Islam wasn't radicalized and most of Islam just went about there lives living under a cloud of the unenlightened. True Islam wanted no part of the age of enlightenment but still by far, almost all...were not radicalized.

Then along came factions that the west abhorred but still sought to use to its advantage and yes, both the Taliban and Mujahideen (Jihad) that the west in general and the US specifically underestimated as a continuing diving force under the Taliban to change Islamic govts. to disassociate from the west and create a caliphate then and Bin Laden with his very small following to attack the US.

Then the worst possible scenario became a reality, Saudi Arabia and others were used as staging ground for the west to send their forces. Nothing could piss off the jihadist more. So about the time even after the Iranian rev. Islam was dormant for the most part but now...the west was truly there en masse on their soil and with their power. Smartly...the west got out but missed the chance to take down Saddam then or even soon there after...from the inside.

Then the west concocts a story to once again project their power even in the face of IAEC knowing full well that Saddam once tried but was nowhere near getting nukes and had 'buried' it 12 years prior and actually invades two Islamic countries and the rest as they say...is history.

So now we are also faced with a war of words and what this indicates is a rhetorical battle that from the US and with all of its power, serves to truly radicalize or even re-radicalize even more of Islam. And Trump admin, is doing just that. Unless somehow that makes you feel good because you feel right...contrast that with Bush II both before and after 9/11.

All make-believe

Here is a fact - ManiacalMysery just told you that Muslims are on the edge

According to him, all they need is the tiniest bit of inspiration, in this case Maniacal claims Steve Bannon will do, and BAM - Muslims are all "Allahu Alkbar" in your face with the slashing and the hacking and the burning people alive in cages, and raping slave girls and crucifying old Christian men and young Christian boys

Which they have been doing for 1400 years, starting with Mohammad

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Islam has been at war against everyone who isn't Islam since Mohammad first began beheading infidels, and cutting off opposing hands and feet and fingertips etc in their campaign of terror which is 1400 years old and still going strong. Estimates are that Muslims have slaughtered up to 800 million infidels to date, and that's not counting the hundreds of millions of women and children they have taken as sex slaves


The math says that is over a half million a year or more than 1500 per day.
Cite please

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Islam has been at war against everyone who isn't Islam since Mohammad first began beheading infidels, and cutting off opposing hands and feet and fingertips etc in their campaign of terror which is 1400 years old and still going strong. Estimates are that Muslims have slaughtered up to 800 million infidels to date, and that's not counting the hundreds of millions of women and children they have taken as sex slaves


The math says that is over a half million a year or more than 1500 per day.
Cite please

Not to put too fine of a point on this but that would be 1,565 per day, every day...for 1,400 years.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"Trump and his administration have used rhetoric and pushed policies which support the idea that the West and Islam are incompatible, and that we are in a ongoing war against the Muslim people. You know who else pushes that narrative? Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Trump’s and Bannon’s inflammatory statements and actions are giving ideological ammunition to the terrorists who are seeking new recruits to kill Americans. Al-Qaeda is even featuring Steve Bannon on the cover of their propaganda publication. Thank you President Trump and Mr. Bannon for making our country less safe."

https://thinkprogress.org/al-qaeda-propaganda-is-using-steve-bannons-islamophobia-against-the-u-s-5a7a9cffc8d9#.evmq3yepg

Al Qaeda propaganda is using Steve Bannon’s Islamophobia against the U.S.
“Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America,” says one expert.

"The appearance of Bannon in jihadist media shows how policies forged by his nationalist policies support the notion that the West and Islam are incompatible— a narrative pushed not only by the White House, but by groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS."

“America is clearly becoming a more prominent target,” Kendall told ThinkProgress. “Trump has created an upsurge in militant jihadist attention on America — it was previously on America but also on many other targets like Shiites in Yemen, Iraq and even Syria — but this has really refocused attention on America itself.”

“If you are serious about defeating ISIS, the last thing you want to do is portray the fight as Islam vs. the West,” Fawaz Gerges, chairman of contemporary Middle East studies at the London School of Economics and author of “ISIS: A History,” told CNN.

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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy

It baffles my mind to read comments by Americans who blast Trump or Bannon or any other American citizen for speaking their mind. America the land of the free, the country that has freedom of speech as their first amendment. But for some reason every one wants to bar Trump from vocalising his view on immigration least it offend a muslim living in Afghanistan.

So if I understand all the Liberals on the hate Trump bandwagon, he, who nonetheless obtained 48% (+/-) of the popular vote in America should curtail his opinions to ensure that Achmed Aziz, living in a village in Pakistan where 12 yr old brides are sold and their genitalia are cut off, is not offended?

Trump never said he wanted to send troops to invade or murder or overthrow or... any muslim country. He even spoke against the Bush and Obama initiatives of Nation building. Where both former presidents attempted to use american military force to change the political landscape of middle eastern nations. He said it clearly, ''No more nation building'' What he has said is he wants to ensure that incoming immigrants understand that once living in the USA, that the laws of the USA should be viewed first and foremost over any other religious or foreign law. For any US citizen to attempt to use either of these opinions of Trump to somehow make him the bad guy is beyond me.

And to the commentators who replied that Islam was peaceful for 1400 years until the US went overseas, maybe you need to do some history lessons. Islam began in Saudi Arabia near Mecca and spread throughout the middle east and further by the sword. Killing infidels and raping women and enslaving all that they didn't kill. The Caliphate was built on the blood of dead infidels. The crusades that all muslim apologists use an an attempt to make the muslims seem like the victims of foreign invasions should maybe study the dates of the Crusades and realize that they were in fact attempts at freeing lands that had been overrun by invading muslims.

Islam was never peaceful, nor will it ever be.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one minds them speaking their mind. Setting expensive and dangerous policy, however, is exactly the kind of thing we should be speaking up about -- you know, speaking our mind, since I know you're a fan of that.

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10 Reasons Muslims are Eager to Join ISIS

1. Success and a staying presence. Muslims see the black flag raised on expanding landmarks and they appear to be winners. They have a staying power. Unlike foreign armies who would sooner or later leave, these people are there to stay. In Afghanistan, the British came and left, the Soviets came and left and the Americans came and will leave. The Afghanis and the Taliban are there to stay. They know that Americans have no nerve for another war with boots on the ground.

2. Up-to-date attractive social media. Unlike the boring monologues of Ayman Zawahiri, the current leader of al Qa’eda, they use clever propaganda videos that have an appeal to the youth. Through the internet they recruit people from across the world to go and join them. If travel to Syria and Iraq becomes difficult, through the social media they encourage the “lone wolfs” to do what they can to serve the ISIL’ cause in the countries where they reside.

3. Purpose for living. So many young men and women whether in Muslim countries or in the West have no demanding or consuming purpose for living. Living with hope for a good job in the future is a luxury that not many Muslim young men can realize these days especially in Europe. ISIL offers young Muslims what they see as a large enough purpose for living and for dying. Furthermore some Muslims in Europe feel marginalized and do not experience a place of belongingness in the countries of their residence. When they go to Iraq and Syria they get accepted as brothers and sisters who are warriors and heroes.

4. America’s support for Israel. A Muslim American young man was arrested on his way to Turkey to join ISIL in Syria. His reason for wanting to join ISIL was: “Why should the taxes of American Muslims go to support Israel. The government of Israel is using this money to kill Muslims in Gaza.”

5. Western Societies are immoral. In spite of the abundance of church buildings in Europe and in the United States, Muslims see moral standards deteriorating rapidly as they see Americans and Europeans accepting as normal same sex marriages and people living together without being married.

6. Shock and Awe through decapitation. With their “shock and awe” strategy of decapitating some of their captives or burning them alive, they have intimidated the Syrian and the Iraqi armies. Unlike the soldiers who are in the Syrian or Iraqi armies who enrolled to collect monthly salaries, ISIL fighters are volunteers who are not afraid of death and some wear suicide belts in battles because they would rather die than be taken as prisoners. They are aiming to intimidate not only individuals and armies but even nations. Nations have to think twice before they commit to send ground forces to Iraq and Syria.

7. Influence of bridge builders. There are several famous bridge builders who are well equipped to use the internet and can motivate and recruit disillusioned young men and women in the West to join ISIL and other radical groups. The most powerful bridge builder was Anwar al-Awlaki who was born in New Mexico of Yemeni parents and was killed by a drown strike in 2011 and was called the Osama Ben Laden of al-Qaeda on the internet. Before his departure to Yemen he preached at a Mosque in Virginia that had a membership of about 3000 and three of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers went to that mosque. Al-Awalaki was fluent in both the Arabic and the English language since he lived most of his life in the United States. He was a talented recruiter and motivator and he knew how to use the internet to his advantage. Nidal Malik Hasan (Fort Hood shooting) and Abdulmutallab of Nigeria were a couple of his recruits.

8. The Shiites got inflated with power and they abused it. Saddam Hussein, who belonged to the Sunni minority in Iraq abused his power and treated the Shiites majority as second class citizens. The Iraq war liberated Iraq from the Sunni control and empowered the Shiites. Nour al-Maliki, the former Prime Minister of Iraq who is a Shiite, abused his power and sowed the seeds of Sectarianism in Iraq. The Sunni majority in Iraq perceive the Shiites as syncretistic or even heretical. They would rather be ruled by the Sunni ISIL rather than by the abusing Shiites.

9. ISIL’s strong financial status is attractive. Unlike al Qaeda of Ayman Zawahiri, Boko Haram in Nigeria, al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, al-Shabab in Somalia, Nusra Front in Syria, Nusrat Beit al-Maqdes in Sinai in Egypt and Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, ISIL has strong financial base. They have captured banks, and they sell oil, get taxes and they get easy money in exchange for hostages. Muslims see ISIL as an organization which will keep going for a very long time and cannot be disarmed, dismantled and destroyed.

10. Hope for a restoration of the Caliphate. Since the death of Muhammad in 632 AD and for centuries, Muslims had Caliphs uniting Sunni Muslims, the absolute majority, all over the world. The Caliphate continued till 1924 when the last Caliph, Sultan Abdul Majid ll, in Constantinople was banished when Kamal Ataturk declared Turkey a secular republic. Since then, many Muslim yearn for a day when the Caliphate will be restored and Muslims around the world will be united under one leader like Catholics are united under the Pope. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared himself the Caliph of the Islamic State and called himself Caliph Ibrahim.