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dcnovice -> Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 7:57:27 PM)

Pope Francis, in a recent interview, offered a prescription for dealing with panhandlers.

It’s this: Give them the money, and don’t worry about it.

The pope’s advice, from an interview with a Milan magazine published just before the beginning of Lent, is startlingly simple. It’s scripturally sound, yet possibly confounding, even subversive.

Living in the city — especially in metropolises where homelessness is an unsolved, unending crisis — means that at some point in your day, or week, a person seeming (or claiming) to be homeless, or suffering with a disability, will ask you for help.

You probably already have a panhandler policy.

You keep walking, or not. You give, or not. Loose coins, a dollar, or just a shake of the head. Your rule may be blanket, or case-by-case.

If it’s case by case, that means you have your own on-the-spot, individualized benefits program, with a bit of means-testing, mental health and character assessment, and criminal-background check — to the extent that any of this is possible from a second or two of looking someone up and down.

Francis’ solution eliminates that effort. But it is by no means effortless.

Speaking to the magazine Scarp de’ Tenis, which means Tennis Shoes, a monthly for and about the homeless and marginalized, the pope said that giving something to someone in need is “always right.” (We’re helped here by the translation in an article from Catholic News Service.)

But what if someone uses the money for, say, a glass of wine? (A perfectly Milanese question.) His answer: If “a glass of wine is the only happiness he has in life, that’s O.K. Instead, ask yourself, what do you do on the sly? What ‘happiness’ do you seek in secret?” Another way to look at it, he said, is to recognize how you are the “luckier” one, with a home, a spouse and children, and then ask why your responsibility to help should be pushed onto someone else.

Then he posed a greater challenge. He said the way of giving is as important as the gift. You should not simply drop a bill into a cup and walk away. You must stop, look the person in the eyes, and touch his or her hands.

The reason is to preserve dignity, to see another person not as a pathology or a social condition, but as a human, with a life whose value is equal to your own. This message runs through Francis’ preaching and writings, which always seem to turn on the practical and personal, often citing the people he met and served as a parish priest in Argentina.

His teaching on divorced and remarried Catholics has infuriated some conservative critics who accuse him, unfairly, of elevating compassion over doctrine. His recent statements on refugees and immigrants are the global version of his panhandler remarks — a rebuke aimed directly at the rich nations of Europe and at the United States.

America is in the middle of a raging argument over poor outcasts. The president speaks of building walls and repelling foreigners. That toxic mind-set can be opposed in Washington, but it can also be confronted on the sidewalk. You don’t know what that guy will do with your dollar. Maybe you’d disapprove of what he does. Maybe compassion is the right call.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/opinion/the-pope-on-panhandling-give-without-worry.html




dcnovice -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 8:01:01 PM)

FR

The pope's counsel reminds me of my own fretting, decades ago, about whether a panhandler would misuse whatever lofty sum I handed over.

One day, a question arose in my mind, "Who are you? The Ford Foundation?" I'm endlessly receiving undeserved graces and gifts--generally larger than a few coins. So I retired from the job, which wasn't mine anyway, of deciding who was deserving.




BoscoX -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:13:55 PM)

Enabling their alcoholism and drug habits kills them in many cases. They are far better off getting the help they need at a shelter, the Salvation Army does wonders.




Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:16:19 PM)


I got over that one quickly.

As one who actually worked in the real world at both lower and mid level at the time, and seeing firsthand how it took determination and self control to not punch somebody's lights out at least twice a month, how political and bureaucratic the milieu, and witnessing the idiotic 'crony corporatism' involved and the 90% unnecessary aggravation all around engendered thereby . . .

Most of these were guys were honest workers up til their late 30's or late 50's, they have already put out a ton of production. But all it took was the wrong word at the wrong time from 'above,' after the thousandth insult absorbed already to that point. So eventually somebody got punched, somebody got fired.

Any event, I absolutely go case-by-case. If they are annoying and start off with the 'deserve it' and any everybody owes them spiel, then it's a straight no-go. But that is rare, like once every 3 years rare. Otherwise it's just a matter of how much change and denomination breakdowns I remembered to bring with me depending on which direction I walk in the neighborhood.






BoscoX -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:22:56 PM)

[image]http://blog.cyberquill.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/vatican-city.png[/image]

Walls around the Vatican





Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:25:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Enabling their alcoholism and drug habits kills them in many cases. They are far better off getting the help they need at a shelter, the Salvation Army does wonders.



Lloyd Blankfein and Dick Cheney need more help with their addiction than any homeless person I've ever come across, the fact being that their own addiction kills hundreds of thousand others and kills more in jobs and national wealth than any individual alcoholic or other substance abuser ever could, in every case. You and your crowd are enablers to the destroyers of society.

You ain't going to win this one.




BoscoX -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:28:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Enabling their alcoholism and drug habits kills them in many cases. They are far better off getting the help they need at a shelter, the Salvation Army does wonders.



Lloyd Blankfein and Dick Cheney need more help with their addiction than any homeless person I've ever come across, the fact being that their own addiction kills hundreds of thousand others and kills more in jobs and national wealth than any individual alcoholic or other substance abuser ever could, in every case. You and your crowd are enablers to the destroyers of society.

You ain't going to win this one.


You are really insane, as are most leftists on this site. As are most leftists everywhere




Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 9:59:23 PM)


For the hyper-ventilators, get your masks on, this will be a real ride for you ...

I already threw out a couple of quarters or a couple of bills every once in awhile. If I wasn't in the mood then I wasn't in the mood.

But on one walk ~ 15 years ago I was approaching a store, though just walking past. This guy approached me and said "howdy kind suh, kin you help me out here? I just need 70 cents. Ain't gonna lie to you, suh, I'm jus' gonna git a quart of beer, ain't gonna lie to you suh. If you cain't do it, das OK suh, I jus wanna git a quart of beer, ain't gonna lie, suh."

All I had on me was a five, which I only found out because I dug and looked. The salient point here being that I even looked. "I think this will get you two quarts, sir."

I don't know why, but that was just a lot of fun, for some reason.




Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 10:13:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
You are really insane


Well there we go.





DaddySatyr -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 10:34:35 PM)


If only Francis were a real pope instead of a socialist priest, leading the church of Rome further left than ever before.

Growing up a seda vacantist, I have had no use for anything any "pope" has said since Pius XII.



Michael




tamaka -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 10:41:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


If only Francis were a real pope instead of a socialist priest, leading the church of Rome further left than ever before.

Growing up a seda vacantist, I have had no use for anything any "pope" has said since Pius XII.



Michael




The problem is he doesn't realize how big the problem is.

He asks people to look into each others eyes and see each other's humanity.

Nowadays people can't even look in the mirror and do that with themselves so how can they do it with each other.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/3/2017 11:26:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

If only Francis were a real pope instead of a socialist priest, leading the church of Rome further left than ever before.

Growing up a seda vacantist, I have had no use for anything any "pope" has said since Pius XII.



Michael




I guess, in the interest of actually addressing the OP, I should have expanded upon this.

I find it near to impossible to believe that even this guy's statement could have been quite so open-ended. I would be willing to bet that his message, en toto, was more along the lines of: "give if you can."

Otherwise, his statement could be seen as an entreaty to voluntary mugging.

I have always given to non-threatening panhandlers, when I am able to. There's a lot of factors to that. If I have money in my pocket for something I need and nothing extra, I am not going to give money, knowing I'll have to get to a bank/ATM to replace it.



Michael




WickedsDesire -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 1:44:00 AM)

guffaws - well fek me Boscox made a good/funny/ironic/astute point regarding Vatican walls..probably a fluke..but fair credit is due.

So the article is about dignity/humanity/compassion - fair enough.

How much is the Catholic church worth - hmmm see i can do that too

Blessed be the jewel encrusted wine goblets....etc




Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 2:30:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

[image]http://blog.cyberquill.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/vatican-city.png[/image]



I this your way of letting the rest of us in in where you are going to aim a hijacked drone?




Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 2:43:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


If only Francis were a real pope instead of a socialist priest, leading the church of Rome further left than ever before.

Growing up a seda vacantist, I have had no use for anything any "pope" has said since Pius XII.


Pope Leo I, here.

Every pope after that was a nazi commie nun-beater, including yours.

Avignon, to your left, there. See ya.






Edwird -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 4:01:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Blessed be the jewel encrusted wine goblets....etc


That's what the Crown was saying after they absconded with them, for certain.




thompsonx -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 5:02:11 AM)


ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Enabling their alcoholism and drug habits kills them in many cases. They are far better off getting the help they need at a shelter, the Salvation Army does wonders.


That excuse certainly keeps your coins in your pocket...but then you are a christian white man who phoques chinese pot bellied pigs. How could we expect less from such as you?




thompsonx -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 5:06:04 AM)


ORIGINAL: BoscoX


You are really insane,

Says the self absorbed phoquer of chinese pot bellied pigs.




Musicmystery -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 8:09:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

If only Francis were a real pope instead of a socialist priest, leading the church of Rome further left than ever before.

Growing up a seda vacantist, I have had no use for anything any "pope" has said since Pius XII.



Michael




I guess, in the interest of actually addressing the OP, I should have expanded upon this.

I find it near to impossible to believe that even this guy's statement could have been quite so open-ended. I would be willing to bet that his message, en toto, was more along the lines of: "give if you can."

Otherwise, his statement could be seen as an entreaty to voluntary mugging.

I have always given to non-threatening panhandlers, when I am able to. There's a lot of factors to that. If I have money in my pocket for something I need and nothing extra, I am not going to give money, knowing I'll have to get to a bank/ATM to replace it.



Michael


I think it's save to say that you and Pope Francis are very different people, with very different messages, missions, and intent.




Aylee -> RE: Pope Francis' Advice on Panhandlers: Give (3/4/2017 8:26:34 AM)

It sounds like Pope Francis has never been grabbed by a panhandler while putting groceries in his car with his children.

Hey lady, why don't you hold some guy's hands, that you do not know, and who may be crazy or more likely drug-addled, and look deep into his eyes.

That should be super-safe and would NEVER send the wrong message.

It is bad enough that I have friends that get all upset because I will answer stranger's questions. Now some old man wants me to hold hands and make cow eyes as well.




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