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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.

"It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy."

(from dc's Snopes link)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia

November 7, 2016

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

K.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

You know, it seems altogether likely that they obtained it legally after having established probable cause.
It's not like that piece of shit isn't working for Putin.

Of course, it wouldn't have been Obama who signed off on it.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Who do you suppose signed off on the running guns to Mexican drug lords idea, some low level flunky?

It was Obama.

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Every time he can't muster a defense of Trump, he comes up with some bizarre topic jump.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
If he was clean, he's certainly made a mess since then.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
The difference here is that while people can be manipulated, reality can't.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I'm pretty sure the Russian thing started after he hit hard times due to his own incompetence and was forced to turn to Russian oligarchs, mafia figures and money laundering schemes to bail himself out. This was probably when the Russians first started cultivating him.

Pseudologia Fantastica

Some of the more extreme forms of pathological lying is Pseudologia Fantastica. This is a matrix of facts & fiction, mixed together in a way that makes the reality and fantasy almost indistinguishable. The pseudologue type pathological liar makes up stories that seem possible on the surface . . . This reality escape can be triggered of a past incident or of an unbearable present for the pseudologue.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Interesting lens for looking at the administration.

Arguable enough, but then most things cut both ways. That's part of what would make all of this outrage so funny if it wasn't tearing the country apart.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Interesting lens for looking at the administration.

Arguable enough, but then most things cut both ways. That's part of what would make all of this outrage so funny if it wasn't tearing the country apart.

K.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.

"It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy."

(from dc's Snopes link)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia

November 7, 2016

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
It's always gratifying when someone is kind enough to promptly illustrate my point. [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Interesting lens for looking at the administration.

Arguable enough, but then most things cut both ways. That's part of what would make all of this outrage so funny if it wasn't tearing the country apart.

K.