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Aylee -> RE: President hat #shamrockgate (3/9/2017 8:08:27 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: blnymph
Would any of you be interested (or care) how the Irish define their own holiday, their patron saint, the symbols associated with those?
Anyone interested in how all this is commented in Irish media?
I'm not interested in the least how the Irish celebrate their holiday, patron saint, etc. Nor do I care how the Irish media is commenting on it.
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Are cereals, or Trump merchandising, relevant to Irish culture in any way?
I sure as fuck hope not. [:D]
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-and what are they if not: just another example of cultural adaptation of symbols for profit purposes based on ignorance of origin and desire of nostagia?
That is exactly what they are, which is why my first post in this thread started out with "Who gives a fuck?"
I brought up the cereal just to demonstrate that a 4-leaf clover has already by linked to the Irish, but no one really gave a fuck about that. But, Trump makes the same ignorant error, and people are acting like the nuclear launch codes are being uploaded to the internet.
I actually went and looked up the differences between a shamrock and a four-leaf clover. Apparently scientists are not positive WHICH clover is the shamrock clover but think it is the white clover. Clovers are a type of three leaved grass. Now a four-leaf clover is a mutated clover to have an extra leaf, hence their rarity.
So the extra leaf stands for luck and has nothing to do with St. Patrick.
Other things that have nothing to do with St. Patrick - leprechons, getting drunk or green beer, pins that say, "kiss me I's Irish," special t-shirts, wearing green, corned beef and cabbage, parades, face painting, and the list goes on. Oh, and my favorite, headband bobbers. Those actually have NOTHING to do with St. Patrick. Who knew?
So, it seems, like most religious holidays, a lot of secularism has creeped in. After all, what does reindeer, Suzy Snowflake, and Frosty have to do with the birth of Christ? I am also pretty sure that Mary did not serve Jesus a dinner with ham and mashed potatoes for his birthday.
To sum up, like Christmas and Easter, St. Patrick's Day is a religious holiday that has been secularized. Much like having a reindeer show up in the nativity scene, you are going to see the luck show up in your shamrock. The best way to deal with this is to refuse to purchase any mutated clovers for yourself, if that is important to you. But I will say that they seem to be ubiquitous on merchandise her in the US and in Ireland.
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