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WhoreMods -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 9:11:29 AM)
For some reason, American actors seem to feel more threatened by British actors playing Americans than British actors do by American actors playing Brits. One might wonder if they were a bit insecure about how competent they are to compete with foreigners who might be better at acting. [;)]

longwayhome -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 1:05:21 PM)
Maybe, but I'm still trying to get over the diminutive Mel Gibson playing the six foot William Wallace. [:D] (Yes I know he's Australian.)

Musicmystery -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 1:22:38 PM)
~FR~ What's the difference between this and American workers wanting goods manufactured in America by American workers? Is the problem that they're actors, or that they're black?

Aylee -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 1:49:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/08/get-out-daniel-kaluuya-samuel-l-jackson-black-british-actors I find it interesting. Jackson argued that Get Out, Jordan Peele’s satirical horror film about racism in liberal suburbs, could have been better with an American in the leading role, instead of British actor Daniel Kaluuya. “I tend to wonder what that movie would have been with an American brother who really feels that,” he told a New York radio station. Though some have criticized Jackson’s comments – including John Boyega, the British Star Wars actor who called it a “stupid ass conflict we don’t have time for” – black actors in Los Angeles said it has sparked an important conversation and that they were tired of seeing UK actors taking on roles about the black American experience. “When it comes to telling very specific American stories, it can sometimes feel like a slap in the face to the black community,” said Devere Rogers, a 29-year-old actor who has appeared in television shows Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Grey’s Anatomy. “It’s like, we as Americans can’t tell our own stories?” First it was not enough black people cast. And now when black people are cast, it's still not good enough, it must be AMERICAN black actors. Ha! I think this just proves, they like to use race baiting, but they really feel entitled to alot of things because of baggage of slavery past. But my thoughts are, how would modern African Americans understand it more than African Brits? Neither have been through slavery themselves. Both grew up as minority coloured person in a white dominated country. What discrimination an American Black would suffer that a Brit Black haven't? Does American Black people think Britain is the holy mecca for Black people where they are treated much better in Britain than in America? I just don't respect people who ask for Affirmative Action. It's the same thing with Chinese people, if Foreign Chinese were cast instead of local Chinese. We aren't gonna get upset. Because we just want to make sure, that person was the best person for the role. Right race. Doesn't matter where this Chinese was from. Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts! This complaint is as sensible as straight actors aren't supposed to pay gay or transgendered characters. And only Asians can be in the Mikado. And all the rest politically correct nonsense that is going on with actors these days and who can play what character in what film or on stage.

longwayhome -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 1:57:43 PM)
I can see how people might think an American would play the part of an American better. And that may well be true in many cases. I think however Hollywood has discovered recently that there are some very good black UK actors, and it has become temporarily fashionable to employ such people (partly of course because they are so much cheaper than the American talent). I get that Americans might be a bit miffed, but many Americans have equally played British roles to make films more attractive for a US audience (although I cannot think of any black Americans playing Brits off the top of my head). Let's face it the reason most UK actors cross the pond is because there is so much more money and so many more jobs in Hollywood than the UK with the economic strength of Hollywood depending on foreign revenue, including sales in the UK and the rest of Europe. That some UK actors choose to benefit from an American industry, which makes so much money in the UK, even if they tend to be paid less than their American brothers and sisters, doesn't seem entirely unfair or surprising to me.

Musicmystery -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 2:02:38 PM)
Doesn't address the question I asked. There's no doubt there are very good workers in India and China who could manufacture what Americans make. Yet we rail against that "outsourcing," that loss of American jobs. Why is this different? Is it because they are actors, or because they are black? Even touring musicians have a system -- for a UK band to tour the US, a US band has to be allowed to tour the UK, in a 1 for 1 trade. Why are outsourced acting jobs different? Or, is the objection to outsourcing always objectionable, whether music or manufacturing or acting?

Aylee -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 3:08:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Doesn't address the question I asked. There's no doubt there are very good workers in India and China who could manufacture what Americans make. Yet we rail against that "outsourcing," that loss of American jobs. Why is this different? Is it because they are actors, or because they are black? Even touring musicians have a system -- for a UK band to tour the US, a US band has to be allowed to tour the UK, in a 1 for 1 trade. Why are outsourced acting jobs different? Or, is the objection to outsourcing always objectionable, whether music or manufacturing or acting? The scale of it I think. Having a factory displace 500 workers has more economic impact than 1 actor. Multiply that by X and you are talking about a lot of people that could have work to feed their families. These are your neighbors and communities. Is anyone really concerned if Morgan Freeman or Tom Cruise miss out on a part in a film? Besides, acting is not a "real" job, don'tcherknow.

PeonForHer -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 4:07:10 PM)
quote: Let's face it the reason most UK actors cross the pond is because there is so much more money and so many more jobs in Hollywood than the UK with the economic strength of Hollywood depending on foreign revenue, including sales in the UK and the rest of Europe. Yep. Black actors can find that they actually get sod all here, so they just have to cross the pond. It was astonishing, watching 'Sicario', all the time looking at Daniel Kaluuya and thinking 'Where have I seen that bloke before?' He was none other that Parking Patawayo, in the Harry Enfield comedy show - one time bit-part jokester, with faintly racist overtones; now a grim-jawed lead-man in a thriller ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO7yr_RkWlM ... I mean, funny enough, nice little role - but emphasis on little. There would have been no way he could have got a role like the one he had in Sicario here in the UK. This story I've heard a few times, now: a black actor here has no chance unless he/she can cross the Atlantic. Another example: Marianne Jean-Baptiste - who did one Mike Leigh film and got zilch till she fetched up in the USA and joined the cast of 'Without a Trace'.

tj444 -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 5:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Doesn't address the question I asked. There's no doubt there are very good workers in India and China who could manufacture what Americans make. Yet we rail against that "outsourcing," that loss of American jobs. Why is this different? Is it because they are actors, or because they are black? Even touring musicians have a system -- for a UK band to tour the US, a US band has to be allowed to tour the UK, in a 1 for 1 trade. Why are outsourced acting jobs different? Or, is the objection to outsourcing always objectionable, whether music or manufacturing or acting? Umm.. sorry but (imo) your comparison doesnt really work, apples and oranges.. if someone wants to see.. oh, say.. Mick Jagger ([:'(]) then giving them some other musician dude wont work, people go to concerts to see that specific person/group whereas actors are much more interchangeable.. and, if you try shite like 1 for 1 with actors then the movies will just get made in the UK or Canada or one of many countries that would fall all over themselves to have production there.. so the choice is to accept outsourcing an actor(s) or risk outsourcing the whole multi-million $$$$ shebang production(s).. there is enough competition for filming locations now, dont ya think? Do you want to give them another reason to leave (especially with the currency exchange & other perks)? Just sayin'... Personally, I love tv shows & movies from many other countries, even if I have to read subtitles.. and yes, I love many US ones too..

tj444 -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 5:54:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Let's face it the reason most UK actors cross the pond is because there is so much more money and so many more jobs in Hollywood than the UK with the economic strength of Hollywood depending on foreign revenue, including sales in the UK and the rest of Europe. Yep. Black actors can find that they actually get sod all here, so they just have to cross the pond. It was astonishing, watching 'Sicario', all the time looking at Daniel Kaluuya and thinking 'Where have I seen that bloke before?' He was none other that Parking Patawayo, in the Harry Enfield comedy show - one time bit-part jokester, with faintly racist overtones; now a grim-jawed lead-man in a thriller ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO7yr_RkWlM ... I mean, funny enough, nice little role - but emphasis on little. There would have been no way he could have got a role like the one he had in Sicario here in the UK. This story I've heard a few times, now: a black actor here has no chance unless he/she can cross the Atlantic. Another example: Marianne Jean-Baptiste - who did one Mike Leigh film and got zilch till she fetched up in the USA and joined the cast of 'Without a Trace'. ha, I had to look her up.. i never knew her name.. According to some, American actors are just.. well.. not manly enough (not my words).. "Why Aren't Americans Cast As Superheroes Anymore? Not Manly Enough "I believe there's been a certain feminization of the American male," he says. "As a result, there are a lot of 'mama's boys.' Kids are raised like veal. We're afraid to let them play soccer. That kind of nurturing softens what we're used to seeing on the screen. American men aren't men on the screen." Papsidera says he's had to turn to Canada, Australia, and the U.K. to fill our growing superhero testosterone gap. "There, they're still raised as men. Heath [Ledger] was a man's man. Guys like Henry Cavill, there's an easy masculinity to them. But because of how predominant the sixties and the women's movement were here, guys in America talk about their 'feelings' far more than guys from New Zealand and Australia or Ireland."" http://www.vulture.com/2011/02/why_cant_americans_get_cast_as.html

longwayhome -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/16/2017 10:57:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ What's the difference between this and American workers wanting goods manufactured in America by American workers? Is the problem that they're actors, or that they're black? quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Doesn't address the question I asked. My last post wasn't even trying to answer your question, even if it touched on the subject. To answer it directly American workers (actors) are perfectly entitled to want goods (films) manufactured in America by American workers (starring American actors). They wont always get what they want and since a large part of actors salaries derives from sales made outside of the US it doesn't seem to be a big leap to at least accept that overseas actors might earn some of that money. After all, Hollywood also casts Americans in non-American roles in films sold outside the US to make sure of box office appeal in the US. This also applies to UK films hoping to use the major US companies' distribution networks to sell films in the US, where part of the explicit or implied deal is using a big American star for access to the US market. Following black UK actors having some isolated successes in US films, Hollywood has woken up to the fact that there are a group of well trained black UK actors who command smaller fees than their American counterparts and there has been a trend towards using UK actors. An American worker (actor) might regard this as immigrant labour (acting) undercutting American labour (acting), which to an extent it is. The film and film distribution industry has however for entirely different reasons ensured that American stars have repeatedly played non-American roles, even in films that were not American. Few films make it big in the US without prominent US actors, whereas films with no indigenous actors are frequently well distributed and become big box office hits outside the US. The argument from some black US actors seems to be that there are few enough jobs for black actors already and they resent them being given away to the black British actors, who earn less. I suspect though that the trend in casting black British actors is a passing phase. I understand the concern and, to an extent, think that Americans might play American roles better, but it's hardly the biggest scandal in the world.

Greta75 -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/17/2017 12:18:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ What's the difference between this and American workers wanting goods manufactured in America by American workers? Is the problem that they're actors, or that they're black? Oh, so you want to make this about keeping jobs in America? Acting is a totally different thing. It's about Art. So I think the best actor worldwide should be chosen for the role that is able to portray the character best. In an interview with the Observer, Peele said he wanted to hire an American but was so blown away by Kaluuya: “At the end of the day, he was the best person for the role. He did the audition and it was a slam dunk.” In this case, the casting person probably have interviewed ALOT of American Black Actors, but despite them feeling like they can relate the most to the struggles of an African American person. They were unable to emote it as convincingly as this Brit Black. But in the case of sending everything to China. They didn't choose it base on best quality. Like, I will support German and Japanese Products anytime, as I believe they are better than Made in Singapore. But Made in USA products are seriously top quality shit. I have so many Made in USA things from the 90's that I still have that has last forever. Made in India or Made in China is simply going from GOOD QUALITY that MADE IN USA is capable of, to BAD QUALITY of Made in China. No comparison. But let's face it! At the moment, perhaps Britain are producing better actors than the US.

PeonForHer -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/17/2017 2:12:07 AM)
quote: although I cannot think of any black Americans playing Brits off the top of my head Only one springs to mind, and that a long time ago now: Forest Whitaker as an English soldier in 'The Crying Game'. Actually, that was the first time I thought 'wow, Yank actors' English accents have come a long way since Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins'. Perfect south London, I thought.

PeonForHer -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/17/2017 2:26:30 AM)
quote: But let's face it! At the moment, perhaps Britain are producing better actors than the US. I've a vague memory of some US director saying that Brit actors were generally trained better. Here's the view of Edward Kemp, artistic director of RADA, anyway, when asked : "Many U.S. casting directors believe that British actors are better trained than their American counterparts, use their bodies and voices more effectively, have more facility with accents, and are more skilled at comedy. How much do you agree with this?" Edward Kemp: "I’ve fairly recently returned from my annual week of auditions in New York, where we are auditioning potential students to come to RADA. What’s been noticeable is that the overall standard has been improving over the last four years (as long as I’ve been at RADA) and this was the strongest yet. The word from several auditionees is that they are finding the studio based system on which much U.S. training is based — where you study a particular approach to acting, e.g. Lee Strasburg, Stella Adler — increasingly unsatisfying. It purports to offer a single key that will unlock all doors, but more and more they seem to be finding that there are some locks that remain unopened. Their feeling seems to be that the more heterogeneous, broader-based U.K. training offers a better foundation for acting in many genres and many media. I think this has coincided with improved training in the U.K. which through spending more time on acting for camera has made young U.K. actors more at ease on screen from very early in their careers. I think the number of young British actors who can achieve a very plausible U.S. accent has also increased, which is in part through greater exposure and in part through a realization that there is real value in getting it right. In the days when you were only ever likely to use it for British ears, it didn’t matter so much." http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/06/from-the-archives-radas-edward-kemp-on-why-british-actors

WhoreMods -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/17/2017 5:02:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome Maybe, but I'm still trying to get over the diminutive Mel Gibson playing the six foot William Wallace. [:D] (Yes I know he's Australian.) The really strange thing is that the blatant miscasting of the lead is among the more minor problems with that sorry excuse for a film... quote: Yep. Black actors can find that they actually get sod all here, so they just have to cross the pond. Idris Elba doesn't seem to be doing that badly at the moment.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/18/2017 3:44:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods For some reason, American actors seem to feel more threatened by British actors playing Americans than British actors do by American actors playing Brits. One might wonder if they were a bit insecure about how competent they are to compete with foreigners who might be better at acting. [;)] Threatened? Insecure? Nah. Just too many feelings of entitlement. Maybe it should have been framed as outsourcing of an American job. Trump would have been all over that shit. Force the movie company to cast an American, and then crow for a while about saving one American job.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/18/2017 3:51:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: passionist Meryl Streep played a first rate Margaret Thatcher in the Movie Iron Lady. A Yup, American woman plays a Brit PM. No Brits complained! Wait till if they dare cast a Brit to play Obama haha! If it's true that any press is good press, then Obama should be played by a Nigerian actor. Depending on which political side you lean towards, you get press. From the Left, you'll get more decrying of the Birther Movement, and from the Right, you'll get plenty of press from them having fun with it. Regardless, the movie will continually be in the news, without having to pay for advertising.

Lucylastic -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/18/2017 3:55:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: passionist Meryl Streep played a first rate Margaret Thatcher in the Movie Iron Lady. A Yup, American woman plays a Brit PM. No Brits complained! Wait till if they dare cast a Brit to play Obama haha! If it's true that any press is good press, then Obama should be played by a Nigerian actor. Depending on which political side you lean towards, you get press. From the Left, you'll get more decrying of the Birther Movement, and from the Right, you'll get plenty of press from them having fun with it. Regardless, the movie will continually be in the news, without having to pay for advertising. Idris Elba would work.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/18/2017 4:00:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: passionist Meryl Streep played a first rate Margaret Thatcher in the Movie Iron Lady. A Yup, American woman plays a Brit PM. No Brits complained! Wait till if they dare cast a Brit to play Obama haha! If it's true that any press is good press, then Obama should be played by a Nigerian actor. Depending on which political side you lean towards, you get press. From the Left, you'll get more decrying of the Birther Movement, and from the Right, you'll get plenty of press from them having fun with it. Regardless, the movie will continually be in the news, without having to pay for advertising. Idris Elba would work. I don't doubt he has the ability, but it's the Nigerian connection that would constantly keep it in the news cycle.

Lucylastic -> RE: Black American Actors upset about Black Brits being cast in African American roles (3/18/2017 4:04:18 AM)
Kenyan maybe, but nigerian im lost on? good morning btw:)

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