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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 6:21:43 PM   
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What will people say; probably what idiots we were for not paying attention to what practically every scientist was saying and pulling our heads out of our asses and doing something about Global Warming while we still could, although it may be already too late because of idiot Global Warming and science deniers that have possibly delayed remedial measures till past the tipping point.

You are pointing back to a time, twenty years ago at a "hypothesis that had little support in the scientific community", as I pointed out earlier.

Whereas the Global Warming hypothesis has had substantial support in the scientific community for almost twenty years.


Do something about global warming?
This may be a surprised to you, but the idea that Global Warming was ever fixable is not a scientific statement - it is a political one...

Global Warming is a naturally occurring event. And while scientists sit and argue on the breadth and depth of the influence we have over the atmosphere by pumping out large amounts of CO2 emissions (spoilers, no real connection between CO2 levels and temperature variances has ever been found). We could no more stop 'Global Warming' then we could stop an earthquake or tidal wave. Even if we stopped burning all fossil fuels since the End of World War 2, there is nothing to imply that the current trend of Global Warming would stop.


I don't deny global warming...
but to say that a naturally occurring event is our fault...
... that it is our duty to stop said naturally occurring event.

i believe that is hubris which will be disproved in 20 years.
So you're hoping what? That Mankind will have moved to another planet before the "naturally occurring event" kills us all?

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 6:24:25 PM   
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Any time 90% of a community agree's on Anything we should be seriously skeptical of it...

Like gravity? Or free markets?


less then 70% of scientists can entirely agree on gravity...

Sure 99.9% of the scientific community agree that Gravity is a Thing, but some people say it's caused by Anti-matter some say that it is warping it space time... there is no real definitive answer or consensus as to what gravity is or what is causing it.

It is the same thing in just about every other major theory discussion. Yeah we can agree on the results... but how we get to those results we do not all agree on. which is why you don't really see +80% of the scientific community entirely agreeing on any one subject. Yes can agree that evolution is a thing... but what did we evolve from? what induces it? If you believe in Darwinism... how do Chimps and Apes still exist?

So when people say +90% of the scientific community agree that Climate Change is not only a thing, but also it is induced by our actions as humans... that should set off so many red flags for people.
You're kidding right?

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 6:55:47 PM   
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Yeah, no thinking needed. That seems to sum you up. You questioned the validity of the quote I posted on no other basis than it being from 2001.

Hello, hello, anybody home?

Take close look at what I actually said.

I did not question the validity of anything.

I simply asked you a question, is there any updated information on this subject, which you seem incapable of answering and if you can’t answer it just say so and stop acting like a jerk.

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So what? Einstein published his theory of General Relativity more than a hundred years ago!

And guess what, plenty has been written about that in last 100 years, check it out.

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And here's more news you can use: Long term prediction of future states of non-linear chaotic systems is still impossible, and will continue to be impossible for a very long time.

So what? Nothing more has been written about it in last 20 years? Or are you just too lazy to find out?

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You are simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem. Vanishingly small perturbations can drive non-linear chaotic systems to wildly divergent outcomes. Their future states cannot be predicted, virtually by definition, because it is impossible to model every infinitesimal detail of their initial conditions with sufficient resolution. Not even using our most powerful computers, because the problem is analog.

Perhaps I am “simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem”, perhaps that is why I asked the question in the first place. Now if you can stop being a raving lunatic for a moment, perhaps you can answer a simple question for someone who is “simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem”; “ has anything new been written on the subject in the last 20 years”?


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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 7:02:26 PM   
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For the longest time, "science" taught students that "gravity" is what holds water in a bucket when it is swung around on a rope

Not in your lifetime and certainly not in my lifetime has "science" taught this.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 7:08:00 PM   
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Wow... i just did a google search for the heck of it and found out i could very well be right! How come no one is talking about this possibility?

http://mb-soft.com/public3/asphalt.html
There are lots of things that mankind does that could contribute to Global warming, including cutting down trees so they can put down that asphalt.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 7:09:19 PM   
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Yeah, no thinking needed. That seems to sum you up. You questioned the validity of the quote I posted on no other basis than it being from 2001.

Hello, hello, anybody home?

Take close look at what I actually said.

I did not question the validity of anything.

I simply asked you a question, is there any updated information on this subject, which you seem incapable of answering and if you can’t answer it just say so and stop acting like a jerk.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
So what? Einstein published his theory of General Relativity more than a hundred years ago!

And guess what, plenty has been written about that in last 100 years, check it out.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
And here's more news you can use: Long term prediction of future states of non-linear chaotic systems is still impossible, and will continue to be impossible for a very long time.

So what? Nothing more has been written about it in last 20 years? Or are you just too lazy to find out?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
You are simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem. Vanishingly small perturbations can drive non-linear chaotic systems to wildly divergent outcomes. Their future states cannot be predicted, virtually by definition, because it is impossible to model every infinitesimal detail of their initial conditions with sufficient resolution. Not even using our most powerful computers, because the problem is analog.

Perhaps I am “simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem”, perhaps that is why I asked the question in the first place. Now if you can stop being a raving lunatic for a moment, perhaps you can answer a simple question for someone who is “simply grossly ignorant of the nature of the problem”; “ has anything new been written on the subject in the last 20 years”?



Yes, if you do some research, more has been written on the subject as recenty as 2015 .

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 7:15:28 PM   
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Yes, if you do some research, more has been written on the subject as recenty as 2015 .

Did some put didn't find it that is why I asked the person who brought it up but instead of being helpful it seems he would rather just rant and rave.
;-)

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 7:20:26 PM   
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You questioned the validity of the quote I posted on no other basis than it being from 2001.

Take close look at what I actually said.

I did not question the validity of anything.

I simply asked you a question...

Here's a "close look" at what you actually said:

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In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. ~IPCC Third Assessment Report (2001), Section 14.2.2.2

You got something a little newer? That was almost twenty years ago and science has made some advances since then.
;-)

A winky! How cute. You had no idea what you were talking about then, and you don't have any now either.

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Nothing more has been written about it in last 20 years? Or are you just too lazy to find out?

Lazy my ass. You just don't understand the nature of the problem and clearly have no interest in doing so.

Have a nice day.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/16/2017 11:12:36 PM   
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Yes, if you do some research, more has been written on the subject as recenty as 2015 .

Did some put didn't find it...

Why do I doubt that? The long-term unpredictability of chaotic systems has been known for a long time. One might as well ask if there is anything more recent than the Gemini missions on the shape of the Earth. After all, science has advanced since then. It might be square now.

One of the fundamental characteristics of chaotic processes is the failure of long-term predictability. ~Source

The existence of chaos affects the scientific method itself. The classic approach to verifying a theory is to make predictions and test them against experimental data. If the phenomena are chaotic, however, long-term predictions are intrinsically impossible. ~Source

"Sensitive dependence on initial conditions" means that small errors in measuring initial state, and even uncertainties in measurement at the quantum level, expand exponentially over time so that the future becomes unpredictable in principle. [Schuster, 1988] ~Source

In chaotic systems, the uncertainty in a forecast increases exponentially with elapsed time. ~Source

To succeed over chaos theory, infinitely precise measurements must be done on infinitely accurate computers. In reality, this is impossible ~Source

K.


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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 6:08:32 AM   
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So you're hoping what? That Mankind will have moved to another planet before the "naturally occurring event" kills us all?


Another political statement - that Global Warming will 'kill us all'.

the IPCC itself was developed specifically to give us options on adaptation and migration to confront Climate Change, not to save our species from extinction and the major consensus of scientists pretty much all equally agree that what ever happens, it is not a catastrophically threatening event. We as humans will adapt, change, and work with what we got to survive... as we've done, as we'll always do.


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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 9:54:41 AM   
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Let's suppose that indeed, climate change is not man-made . . . But is clearly still happening.

Wouldn't it make sense to respond intelligently to the consequences, rather than deny it's happening?

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 10:32:13 AM   
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What will people say; probably what idiots we were for not paying attention to what practically every scientist was saying and pulling our heads out of our asses and doing something about Global Warming while we still could, although it may be already too late because of idiot Global Warming and science deniers that have possibly delayed remedial measures till past the tipping point.

You are pointing back to a time, twenty years ago at a "hypothesis that had little support in the scientific community", as I pointed out earlier.

Whereas the Global Warming hypothesis has had substantial support in the scientific community for almost twenty years.


Do something about global warming?
This may be a surprised to you, but the idea that Global Warming was ever fixable is not a scientific statement - it is a political one...

Global Warming is a naturally occurring event. And while scientists sit and argue on the breadth and depth of the influence we have over the atmosphere by pumping out large amounts of CO2 emissions (spoilers, no real connection between CO2 levels and temperature variances has ever been found). We could no more stop 'Global Warming' then we could stop an earthquake or tidal wave. Even if we stopped burning all fossil fuels since the End of World War 2, there is nothing to imply that the current trend of Global Warming would stop.


I don't deny global warming...
but to say that a naturally occurring event is our fault...
... that it is our duty to stop said naturally occurring event.

i believe that is hubris which will be disproved in 20 years.
So you're hoping what? That Mankind will have moved to another planet before the "naturally occurring event" kills us all?


Hard as it may be to credit, that was seriously suggested as a rebuttal to The Club Of Rome's researches in the '70s.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 10:53:16 AM   
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Anyway I though president lying fuk was long on the record as saying climate warming was a hoax

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 11:33:21 AM   
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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 11:50:22 AM   
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When the sea is rushing in, it's better to decide what to do, and not argue about what caused it.


Get your realtors license and start selling newly available oceanfront property.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 12:47:05 PM   
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When the sea is rushing in, it's better to decide what to do, and not argue about what caused it.


Get your realtors license and start selling newly available oceanfront property.

The people who drowned in their former beachfront properties won't be buying, and who else has the money?

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 12:55:10 PM   
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When the sea is rushing in, it's better to decide what to do, and not argue about what caused it.


Get your realtors license and start selling newly available oceanfront property.

The people who drowned in their former beachfront properties won't be buying, and who else has the money?


They won't drown. They'll move. And the rich people will buy them like they always have.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 1:17:14 PM   
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When the sea is rushing in, it's better to decide what to do, and not argue about what caused it.


Get your realtors license and start selling newly available oceanfront property.

The people who drowned in their former beachfront properties won't be buying, and who else has the money?

And there you have the difference between running things as your own business and running a country for the good of its people.

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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 1:37:31 PM   
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RE: 17 House Republicans call for climate change action - 3/17/2017 1:49:13 PM   
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The earth is fuked - whats not to understand.

Anyway I though president lying fuk was long on the record as saying climate warming was a hoax


Because Crazy Bernie can't use the global warming cult hoax to turn the States into his vision of a Venezuelan-style utopia?

Step away from the Kool-Aid

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