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BoscoX -> Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 5:09:09 AM)

Hawaii wants them, let them have them [sm=line.gif]

In other news, due to terrorism:

Six out of 10 People in France "Don't Feel Safe Anywhere"




DaddySatyr -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 5:54:20 AM)


What's ironic is: at one time, Hawaii's "solution" to their homelessness problem was a thought to buy all the homeless a one-way ticket to the mainland.

Such warmth and compassion have they.



Michael




BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 6:28:50 AM)

Still is, they are one of the most "liberal" states in the union, yet they buy their homeless one-way tickets to the mainland

Then scream that we are heartless, if we don't have open borders to the world's homeless

Pay to fly them here from Syria or whatever the terrorist hotspot du joir









Lucylastic -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 6:34:11 AM)

it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.

Between October 2014 and November 2015, the Institute for Human Services teamed up with the Waikiki tourism industry to fly 133 homeless people back to their homes on the mainland at a cost of $28,374, IHS spokesman Kimo Carvalho told the House Human Services Committee.

“I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment,” Carvalho said. Flying homeless people with mainland roots back home also frees up shelter space for local homeless people, he said. Hawaii has the highest per capita rate of homelessness in the nation.

Before leaving the islands, the homeless client first works with social workers to develop a plan to be successful on the mainland. The client must have someone back home to house them, and cannot have pending legal or military issues in Hawaii, Carvalho said.

“To date, no reported individual (sent to the mainland) has returned,” Carvalho told lawmakers. “The demand for this program is statewide — on every island.”

No specific dollar amount was requested to create the so-called “Return-To-Home” pilot program, which would have been funded by the state and run by the Department of Human Services.

DHS opposed creating the pilot program, as did the state’s homeless coordinator, Scott Morishige.

Morishige told the committee that IHS and Waikiki tourism officials have shown they can run an effective program through private funding.

State money, Morishige said, would be better focused on programs that are proven to reduce homelessness, such as Housing First — which places homeless people in rental units while providing them with programs and social workers; and so-called “rapid re-housing” that provides one-time rental assistance to people and families who need financial assistance to get into a home.

In written testimony, Morishige told the committee that “an unintended consequence of this measure may be that other homeless individuals will perceive this program as an invitation to come to Hawaii and receive homeless services here with an expectation that they will receive a ‘free’ return trip.” Also, he said, “Because this service is currently available through the private sector, the establishment of a new government-sponsored program may result in duplication of effort and inefficiencies in program implementation.”

Following the committee hearing, Carvalho told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that he was frustrated that state officials won’t spend money to send more homeless people back to the mainland.

“This is a housing solution that works,” Carvalho said. “It tells me that despite all our efforts to shine a light on these problems, it’s not being taken seriously and it’s business as usual.”
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.

Between October 2014 and November 2015, the Institute for Human Services teamed up with the Waikiki tourism industry to fly 133 homeless people back to their homes on the mainland at a cost of $28,374, IHS spokesman Kimo Carvalho told the House Human Services Committee.

“I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment,” Carvalho said. Flying homeless people with mainland roots back home also frees up shelter space for local homeless people, he said. Hawaii has the highest per capita rate of homelessness in the nation.

Before leaving the islands, the homeless client first works with social workers to develop a plan to be successful on the mainland. The client must have someone back home to house them, and cannot have pending legal or military issues in Hawaii, Carvalho said.

“To date, no reported individual (sent to the mainland) has returned,” Carvalho told lawmakers. “The demand for this program is statewide — on every island.”

No specific dollar amount was requested to create the so-called “Return-To-Home” pilot program, which would have been funded by the state and run by the Department of Human Services.

DHS opposed creating the pilot program, as did the state’s homeless coordinator, Scott Morishige.

Morishige told the committee that IHS and Waikiki tourism officials have shown they can run an effective program through private funding.

State money, Morishige said, would be better focused on programs that are proven to reduce homelessness, such as Housing First — which places homeless people in rental units while providing them with programs and social workers; and so-called “rapid re-housing” that provides one-time rental assistance to people and families who need financial assistance to get into a home.

In written testimony, Morishige told the committee that “an unintended consequence of this measure may be that other homeless individuals will perceive this program as an invitation to come to Hawaii and receive homeless services here with an expectation that they will receive a ‘free’ return trip.” Also, he said, “Because this service is currently available through the private sector, the establishment of a new government-sponsored program may result in duplication of effort and inefficiencies in program implementation.”

Following the committee hearing, Carvalho told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that he was frustrated that state officials won’t spend money to send more homeless people back to the mainland.

“This is a housing solution that works,” Carvalho said. “It tells me that despite all our efforts to shine a light on these problems, it’s not being taken seriously and it’s business as usual.”


http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/02/02/breaking-news/lawmakers-mull-funding-program-to-fly-homeless-back-to-mainland/


PS Homeless people are a bit different to refugees.
but dont let that occur to you.





Edwird -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 7:01:40 AM)


You're just another . . .

Honolulu lulu





Edwird -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 7:50:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland


The point is that the OP and second poster are deliriously confuzzled as to whether Hawai'i actually wants them, as the OP initially states, or wants to send them back as the OP and second poster later state.

Not everyone has the mental dexterity to juggle truth in service to jumbled ideological convenience successfully.




Termyn8or -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 7:51:16 AM)

quote:

Hawaii has the highest per capita rate of homelessness in the nation.


Now there's something I didn't know.

But why ? Because the climate is so good it is easy to be homeless there ? Maybe it is property values, my impression was that their rents and house values make California look like the ghetto, but I have not looked it up.

But you could send them to Australia, they gave them a whole island. Of course they claim we are racist for not just letting them in. And we can't get jobs, where the hell are they going to get jobs ? That means welfare, and more of that is the last thing we need.

Sooner or later they will run out of our money and then it is mayhem. Watch out for cannibals.

T^T




BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 8:10:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.

Between October 2014 and November 2015, the Institute for Human Services teamed up with the Waikiki tourism industry to fly 133 homeless people back to their homes on the mainland at a cost of $28,374, IHS spokesman Kimo Carvalho told the House Human Services Committee.

“I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment,” Carvalho said. Flying homeless people with mainland roots back home also frees up shelter space for local homeless people, he said. Hawaii has the highest per capita rate of homelessness in the nation.

Before leaving the islands, the homeless client first works with social workers to develop a plan to be successful on the mainland. The client must have someone back home to house them, and cannot have pending legal or military issues in Hawaii, Carvalho said.

“To date, no reported individual (sent to the mainland) has returned,” Carvalho told lawmakers. “The demand for this program is statewide — on every island.”

No specific dollar amount was requested to create the so-called “Return-To-Home” pilot program, which would have been funded by the state and run by the Department of Human Services.

DHS opposed creating the pilot program, as did the state’s homeless coordinator, Scott Morishige.

Morishige told the committee that IHS and Waikiki tourism officials have shown they can run an effective program through private funding.

State money, Morishige said, would be better focused on programs that are proven to reduce homelessness, such as Housing First — which places homeless people in rental units while providing them with programs and social workers; and so-called “rapid re-housing” that provides one-time rental assistance to people and families who need financial assistance to get into a home.

In written testimony, Morishige told the committee that “an unintended consequence of this measure may be that other homeless individuals will perceive this program as an invitation to come to Hawaii and receive homeless services here with an expectation that they will receive a ‘free’ return trip.” Also, he said, “Because this service is currently available through the private sector, the establishment of a new government-sponsored program may result in duplication of effort and inefficiencies in program implementation.”

Following the committee hearing, Carvalho told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that he was frustrated that state officials won’t spend money to send more homeless people back to the mainland.

“This is a housing solution that works,” Carvalho said. “It tells me that despite all our efforts to shine a light on these problems, it’s not being taken seriously and it’s business as usual.”
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.

Between October 2014 and November 2015, the Institute for Human Services teamed up with the Waikiki tourism industry to fly 133 homeless people back to their homes on the mainland at a cost of $28,374, IHS spokesman Kimo Carvalho told the House Human Services Committee.

“I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment,” Carvalho said. Flying homeless people with mainland roots back home also frees up shelter space for local homeless people, he said. Hawaii has the highest per capita rate of homelessness in the nation.

Before leaving the islands, the homeless client first works with social workers to develop a plan to be successful on the mainland. The client must have someone back home to house them, and cannot have pending legal or military issues in Hawaii, Carvalho said.

“To date, no reported individual (sent to the mainland) has returned,” Carvalho told lawmakers. “The demand for this program is statewide — on every island.”

No specific dollar amount was requested to create the so-called “Return-To-Home” pilot program, which would have been funded by the state and run by the Department of Human Services.

DHS opposed creating the pilot program, as did the state’s homeless coordinator, Scott Morishige.

Morishige told the committee that IHS and Waikiki tourism officials have shown they can run an effective program through private funding.

State money, Morishige said, would be better focused on programs that are proven to reduce homelessness, such as Housing First — which places homeless people in rental units while providing them with programs and social workers; and so-called “rapid re-housing” that provides one-time rental assistance to people and families who need financial assistance to get into a home.

In written testimony, Morishige told the committee that “an unintended consequence of this measure may be that other homeless individuals will perceive this program as an invitation to come to Hawaii and receive homeless services here with an expectation that they will receive a ‘free’ return trip.” Also, he said, “Because this service is currently available through the private sector, the establishment of a new government-sponsored program may result in duplication of effort and inefficiencies in program implementation.”

Following the committee hearing, Carvalho told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that he was frustrated that state officials won’t spend money to send more homeless people back to the mainland.

“This is a housing solution that works,” Carvalho said. “It tells me that despite all our efforts to shine a light on these problems, it’s not being taken seriously and it’s business as usual.”


http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/02/02/breaking-news/lawmakers-mull-funding-program-to-fly-homeless-back-to-mainland/


PS Homeless people are a bit different to refugees.
but dont let that occur to you.







BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 8:11:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland


The point is that the OP and second poster are deliriously confuzzled as to whether Hawai'i actually wants them, as the OP initially states, or wants to send them back as the OP and second poster later state.

Not everyone has the mental dexterity to juggle truth in service to jumbled ideological convenience successfully.



Try reading crazy Lucy's article, which only served to prove what we posted




Lucylastic -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 9:09:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Try reading crazy Lucy's article, which only served to prove what we posted



oh boy
I stated it had ended.
Nothing changes that...

this article from pjmedia mentions the numbers of homeless they already had, in 2015.
https://pjmedia.com/blog/homeless-in-hawaii-governor-declares-state-of-emergency/

notice they mention other states sending them their homeless.
oh and the canadian couple..

Oh PS... Morishige also mention that while one of their homeless program works with private funding, he also mentions that state funding would be better used for a different programs
quote:

State money, Morishige said, would be better focused on programs that are proven to reduce homelessness, such as Housing First — which places homeless people in rental units while providing them with programs and social workers; and so-called “rapid re-housing” that provides one-time rental assistance to people and families who need financial assistance to get into a home.


However this still stands doesnt it?
quote:

[A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.

Between October 2014 and November 2015, the Institute for Human Services teamed up with the Waikiki tourism industry to fly 133 homeless people back to their homes on the mainland at a cost of $28,374, IHS spokesman Kimo Carvalho told the House Human Services Committee. /quote]

Michael was correct.




Edwird -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 9:26:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Try reading crazy Lucy's article, which only served to prove what we posted


Try reading your own OP.

Now I see why you are confused.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 9:29:30 AM)

he wont read what you type let alone process the information - I think the correct medical term is lack of brain -brain dreft -brain poverty -brain absconded to lala land never to be heard off again, etc...With no cerebral processing centre i actually wonder how he animates the hysterical snowflake within himself. He doesn't even read his own stuff and sources, so fret not. Have you noticed he the mad fuk has to typo in big now.




Musicmystery -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 2:28:33 PM)

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."




BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 3:02:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."


The headlines would be, "Muslims Keep Going All Allah Akbar On Waikiki Beach, Allah Greatly Pleased"




Hillwilliam -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 6:16:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."


The headlines would be, "Muslims Keep Going All Allah Akbar On Waikiki Beach, Allah Greatly Pleased"

Of course Comrade liar.

Keep making shit up




BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 6:42:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."


The headlines would be, "Muslims Keep Going All Allah Akbar On Waikiki Beach, Allah Greatly Pleased"

Of course Comrade liar.

Keep making shit up


ManiacalMysery is quite the story teller, I know




tamaka -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 9:27:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."


The headlines would be, "Muslims Keep Going All Allah Akbar On Waikiki Beach, Allah Greatly Pleased"

No the headlines would be, "Muslims Start Jihad Against Spam-Eating Hawaiians"




BoscoX -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 10:06:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

If the refugees were sent to Hawaii, alt-right radio/press/Internet would emblazon the Headline:

"Muslim Immigrants Given Free Hawaii Vacation Homes While White Americans Struggle to Pay Their Mortagages."


The headlines would be, "Muslims Keep Going All Allah Akbar On Waikiki Beach, Allah Greatly Pleased"

No the headlines would be, "Muslims Start Jihad Against Spam-Eating Hawaiians"



Good one

"Hawaii Stores & Restaurants Go Spam-Free to Avoid Suicide Attacks"

So much for their tourism




DaddySatyr -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/18/2017 10:46:48 PM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.



Hmmmm ... It's come back, three times after the first time it was "killed". Has anyone thought to stick a stake in the fuckin' thing's heart?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS Homeless people are a bit different to refugees.
but dont let that occur to you.




I wonder: what are those differences?

Neither has a place to live, a reliable income, food to eat, many clothes to wear, (ostensibly) private transportation, hopes for a decent future ...



Michael




Lucylastic -> RE: Send All Of The Refugees To Honolulu (3/19/2017 4:39:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr



quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was a proposal that didnt pass. WAY back a year ago
Hawaii lawmakers kill bill to fly homeless back to mainland
A House committee on Tuesday shelved a proposal to fly homeless people back to the mainland, representing the fourth consecutive year the idea has died in the state Legislature.



Hmmmm ... It's come back, three times after the first time it was "killed". Has anyone thought to stick a stake in the fuckin' thing's heart?

You would think so wouldnt you, but to me its like an adverse constant attempt to repeal obama care, someone wants to kick out the homeless, but it keeps getting shut down.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS Homeless people are a bit different to refugees.
but dont let that occur to you.




I wonder: what are those differences?

Neither has a place to live, a reliable income, food to eat, many clothes to wear, (ostensibly) private transportation, hopes for a decent future ...

You need to guess a bit deeper to not appear glib and unaware of the other distinct issues.
Michael






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