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Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/18/2017 4:34:23 PM   
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Top economies yield to US, drop no-protectionism pledge
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David Mchugh, AP Business Writer 4 hours ago
BADEN-BADEN, Germany (AP) -- The world's top economic powers dropped a pledge to oppose trade protectionism amid pushback from the Trump administration, which wants trade to more clearly benefit American companies and workers.

Finance ministers from the Group of 20 countries meeting in the southern German town of Baden-Baden issued a statement Saturday that said only that countries "are working to strengthen the contribution of trade" to their economies.


By comparison, last year's meeting called on them to resist "all forms" of protectionism, which can include border tariffs and rules that keep out imports to shield domestic companies from competition.

The statement from the G20 finance ministers and central bankers helps set the tone for further global economic cooperation.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, taking part in his first international meeting since being sworn in, sought to downplay the wording issue. He said that the statement needed to reflect the discussion at the current summit. "The historical language was not really relevant," he said.

"We believe in free trade: we are one of the largest markets in the world, we are one of the largest trading partners in the world," Mnuchin said. "Having said that, we want to re-examine certain agreements... And to the extent that agreements are old agreements and need to be renegotiated we'll consider that as well."

He said trade deals need to offer a "win-win situation."

Mnuchin said the administration would be looking at relationships where the U.S. was buying more than it could sell to its partner, and would be more aggressive in seeking enforcement of existing rules that would benefit U.S. workers through the Geneva-based World Trade Organization. The WTO operates a system of negotiated trade rules and serves as a forum for resolving disputes.

China and European countries had pushed for a stronger affirmation of cross-border trade without tariffs or barriers. Ironically, China and some European states tend to intervene more often in private sector business than the U.S. government.

Canada took a middle approach in the talks, urging a statement supporting free trade but not taking a position on specific wording.

Host Germany dropped the no-protectionism pledge in the early drafting process ahead of the meeting, in apparent hope of not antagonizing the U.S. and then finding a substitute that would also uphold free trade. But attempts to include such language did not find agreement.

Trump and other critics of free trade argue that it can cause jobs, such as in the labor intensive manufacturing sector, to move to lower-cost countries. Proponents say technological advances, such as automation that replaces workers with robots, are more to blame for the loss of jobs in such sectors.

Some advocates, like the International Monetary Fund, readily concede that the benefits of free trade have been uneven across societies, as less skilled workers lose out and the better trained prosper. But they argue that trade restrictions will not help those left behind by the globalized economy and point to better training and education as part of the answer.

Trump has already pulled the U.S. out of a proposed free trade deal with Japan and other Pacific Rim countries. He also has started the process to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada.

Wolfgang Schaeuble, the finance minister of host country Germany, argued that it was not true that officials failed to find common ground. "It's completely clear we are not for protectionism. But it wasn't clear what one or another meant by that," he said.

The G-20 is an informal forum on economic cooperation made up of 19 countries plus the European Union. The finance ministers' meeting will pave the way for a summit of national leaders in Hamburg, Germany, on July 7-8. Its decisions don't have the same force as an international treaty but simply depend on individual countries' promises to follow through on them.
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RE: Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/18/2017 4:37:42 PM   
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theres already a topic about this here

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5011539/tm.htm

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RE: Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/18/2017 4:41:09 PM   
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So...this illustrates that other countries know a great deal more about economics than Trump.

Btw, I know it's just a badly written sentence with a poorly placed modifier interrupting it, and that it makes sense when the sentence resumes, but I'm still chuckling over "Trump and other critics of free trade argue that it can cause jobs." Wouldn't want to do that!

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RE: Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/18/2017 6:04:04 PM   
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quote:

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So...this illustrates that other countries know a great deal more about economics than Trump.

Btw, I know it's just a badly written sentence with a poorly placed modifier interrupting it, and that it makes sense when the sentence resumes, but I'm still chuckling over "Trump and other critics of free trade argue that it can cause jobs." Wouldn't want to do that!

Well to be fair, it does flow enough to mean what was the meaning, of what was written...[cause jobs] to race to the bottom of the servile labor markets. The whole concept resting on the premise that everybody can have a job, if [they] will be satisfied with little or no pay.

A concept that always tends to bring capitalism closer to what was part of the downfall of Soviet communism. 'They pretended to pay us, so we...pretended to work.'

Obviously N. Korea has the more efficient (cost-effective) system. Work or starve, so the unemployed or marginally so, do starve. Hell, N. Koreans are not only losing life expectancy but they...are shrinking in birth size.

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RE: Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/19/2017 3:30:48 AM   
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A concept that always tends to bring capitalism closer to what was part of the downfall of Soviet communism. 'They pretended to pay us, so we...pretended to work.'


Pretty much. Now, most everyone seems to live on credit. Why is that ? They are living beyond their means. People used to pay cash for new cars, even houses. Now, your credit score is one of the most important things in life.

And BTW, when they pretended to work, that was the fall of the USSR. Not the cold war, not the US competition or anything. They had enormous defect rates. You can't go on like that. They sported rising production but didn't mention that half of the shit was no good. A happy worker is a diligent worker. Make them unhappy and you get what you get. Modern Russia is way different. That is why Putin has so much support. Also, it is not a dictatorship. They have an elected legislature and courts, but I don't believe they have juries. Oh well. If Pussy Riot didn't just disappear in the middle of the night, things have changed because under the Soviets they would be gone by dawn.

So anyway, they agree to some protectionism now ? Good. It is high time. Raising the price of imports makes manufacturing here more attractive. I am not sure I agree with what Trump is doing, but at least he is thinking about the US worker.

Also, when it comes to free trade, that is only coming in. I went to ship a small package to Norway, I decided not to when I found out what it costs. However when I bought a new harddrive it cost less than that and arrived so fast it would make your head spin. I mean manufactured the same month as it arrived. And cheap. What is up here ? Is the fucking ocean going uphill out of here but downhill coming in ?

And many countries have tariffs up to 100 %. I think Argentina does. But their beef seems to get here alright. (it is supposed to be real good but I can't find it locally)

This free trade, try shipping something to another country. See what it costs, and what kind of duties the recipient has to pay. And then realize everything just seems to slide into the US for free. That might be free trade but it is not fair trade. I hope Trump dismantles every fucking trade agreement out there. None of them have seemed to help the US, despite the promises of their sponsors, on both sides of the aisle BTW.

To protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic. Well when you have an economic enemy, they are supposed to deal with it.

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RE: Top Economies Yield To US: Trade Should Be Win/Win - 3/19/2017 4:24:38 AM   
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Goods coming in from abroad cost 24% of the packages worth.
Granted not all are free trade countries.
But we(canada) have "free trade" with america(Hah)
And it costs, and If I buy american companies products(and I do) I pay 24% on all goods coming in.
This has been the case for the past decade.
I ship from Canada all over the world daily, but my ex partner in the US had products shipped to her, and it was the same for her percentage of duties and fees for importing.



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