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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Where is that chart from? It does not match or show in the DHS article. The ICE article I posted says in it that nobody counted returns (they were unknown in number) prior to 2008.

How is that gonna match up?

At the end of each year the controlling body of customs is required to provide a fiscal report which includes returns and removals. You can find the complete records at the library of congress, but the DHS has digitized a number of these records for comparative purposes.

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2015/table39

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What an example of complete ignorance on what illegal aliens face.

Your buddy Obama even became known as the Deporter in Chief.

Your buddy Bush maintained we needed a way to integrate them.

Obama became the Deporter in Chief by changing how deportations were counted. In order to look tough he began to count people turned away at the border while trying to cross. That had never been done before. It, like most things lefty, was a political lie.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Reports find that immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens

Immigrants commit crimes and are incarcerated at a much lower rate than U.S. citizens, according to two separate studies released this week.

A study by The Sentencing Project, a criminal justice research and advocacy group, found that "foreign-born residents of the United States commit crime less often than native-born citizens."

Another study, by the libertarian Cato Institute, compares incarceration rates by migratory status, ethnicity and gender.

"All immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives relative to their shares of the population," the Cato study reads.

On the campaign trail and as president, Donald Trump has portrayed illegal immigration as a dual risk: an economic threat and a source of increased crime.
Under President Trump's 2018 budget request, the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) budget would grow by $3 billion to fund his proposed border wall and executive orders on immigration.

When he launched his presidential bid, Trump said that illegal immigrants “are bringing crime.” And in speeches, he frequently mentions individuals whose loved ones have been killed by illegal immigrants.

"It's all enforcement-only, following the rhetoric of Trump that he used in the campaign and continues to use, making immigrants at fault for everything, from crime to the economy," said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.).

But the two studies don’t point to immigrants posing more of a threat of crime than citizens born in the U.S.

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.

The Sentencing Project study even goes so far as to suggest that increased immigration "may have contributed to the historic drop in crime rates" since 1990.

While the study is "not definitive in proving causation," it links crime trends — 730 violent crimes per 100,000 citizens in 1990 compared to 362 per 100,000 in 2014 — and immigration trends in the same period. According to the study, there were 3.5 million undocumented immigrants in the country in 1990, and 11.1 million in 2014.



The reports can be found here
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf
http://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Immigration-and-Public-Safety.pdf

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What an example of complete ignorance on what illegal aliens face.

Your buddy Obama even became known as the Deporter in Chief.

Your buddy Bush maintained we needed a way to integrate them.

Obama became the Deporter in Chief by changing how deportations were counted. In order to look tough he began to count people turned away at the border while trying to cross. That had never been done before. It, like most things lefty, was a political lie.

That has been pointed out to him over and over, it must be part of his brainwashing to ignore reality

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Reports find that immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens

Immigrants commit crimes and are incarcerated at a much lower rate than U.S. citizens, according to two separate studies released this week.

A study by The Sentencing Project, a criminal justice research and advocacy group, found that "foreign-born residents of the United States commit crime less often than native-born citizens."

Another study, by the libertarian Cato Institute, compares incarceration rates by migratory status, ethnicity and gender.

"All immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives relative to their shares of the population," the Cato study reads.

On the campaign trail and as president, Donald Trump has portrayed illegal immigration as a dual risk: an economic threat and a source of increased crime.
Under President Trump's 2018 budget request, the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) budget would grow by $3 billion to fund his proposed border wall and executive orders on immigration.

When he launched his presidential bid, Trump said that illegal immigrants “are bringing crime.” And in speeches, he frequently mentions individuals whose loved ones have been killed by illegal immigrants.

"It's all enforcement-only, following the rhetoric of Trump that he used in the campaign and continues to use, making immigrants at fault for everything, from crime to the economy," said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.).

But the two studies don’t point to immigrants posing more of a threat of crime than citizens born in the U.S.

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.

The Sentencing Project study even goes so far as to suggest that increased immigration "may have contributed to the historic drop in crime rates" since 1990.

While the study is "not definitive in proving causation," it links crime trends — 730 violent crimes per 100,000 citizens in 1990 compared to 362 per 100,000 in 2014 — and immigration trends in the same period. According to the study, there were 3.5 million undocumented immigrants in the country in 1990, and 11.1 million in 2014.



The reports can be found here
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf
http://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Immigration-and-Public-Safety.pdf

ive not read through the thread to see if anyone's picked up on this yet but the short of it is, you cannot deduce that "immigrants commit less crime than us-born citizens" by looking at incarceration.

the title of the thread is NOT what the cato report is arguing.

haven't been to the full article from the hill yet...

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

Why is it hard to believe immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens (other than their immigration status)? The USA is a pretty violent place 4 cities in the US are among the most violent in the world and other than New Orleans they are far from the borders with Mexico but are simply in the economical deprivated areas of the country, this should be a hint that there is a good base of US citizens prone to violence.

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

Why is it hard to believe immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens (other than their immigration status)? The USA is a pretty violent place 4 cities in the US are among the most violent in the world and other than New Orleans they are far from the borders with Mexico but are simply in the economical deprivated areas of the country, this should be a hint that there is a good base of US citizens prone to violence.

You mean that study which excluded a number of cities which did not have reliable crime statistics and that focused specifically on the crime of 'murder' to come to it's conclusion? The same study which concludes that 42 of the 50 most violent cities in the world come from Hispanic/Latino Nations which also happen to be the largest slice of Immigrants whom illegally enter the United States...

to state that 4 cities in the US are of the most violent in the world completely out of context is very misleading.
St. Louis is the most Violent American City - and it comes in 15th.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Faux Noize and the Sun Myung Moon Times. Yes, that is some brilliant felchgobbling there.

Is there any credible data and citation, or just slobberblogs?

While you're Faux newsing, notice what you and Lucy have posted is a discussion of "Immigrants". As opposed to what I published about "illegal Immagrants." Immagrants include Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Italian, Canadian, British, and so on.

I wonder why you changed the topic to be about illegal "immagrants"
please open your own whinge about something that wasnt mentioned.

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ORIGINAL: TheUltimate4Him
The Cato institute is a liberal progressive organization so along with the media, of course, they will fudge and slant the research to their liking. Have you noticed when the media talks about immigration they conveniently leave out the work illegal?

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

Why is it hard to believe immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens (other than their immigration status)? The USA is a pretty violent place 4 cities in the US are among the most violent in the world and other than New Orleans they are far from the borders with Mexico but are simply in the economical deprivated areas of the country, this should be a hint that there is a good base of US citizens prone to violence.

You mean that study which excluded a number of cities which did not have reliable crime statistics and that focused specifically on the crime of 'murder' to come to it's conclusion? The same study which concludes that 42 of the 50 most violent cities in the world come from Hispanic/Latino Nations which also happen to be the largest slice of Immigrants whom illegally enter the United States...

to state that 4 cities in the US are of the most violent in the world completely out of context is very misleading.
St. Louis is the most Violent American City - and it comes in 15th.

so now murder is not a serious crime? I'm just saying you are no angels yourself, so if a study finds out that after all those who migrates are not the hardned criminls but more likely those that were victims, it's not unbelivable that moving in a violent society such as the USA they will commit less crimes after all.

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What I'm saying is you can discuss if you want if the study of cato institute is accurate or biased but you can't just deny it's plausible.

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This study examines academic and government research on the question of immigrant crime. New government data indicate that immigrants have high rates of criminality, while older academic research found low rates. The overall picture of immigrants and crime remains confused due to a lack of good data and contrary information. However, the newer government data indicate that there are legitimate public safety reasons for local law enforcement to work with federal immigration authorities. [though the word "new" should be taken in context, the work is from 2009]