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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Well in addition to the problem of C02 causing a retention of heat and BTW, not through any additional containment of radiant heat like say the way a car with its windows up, gets hot in the sun but through changes in the light wave, we have a change in what scientists call...the carbon cycle.

That cycle contains what are described as two dominant carbon sinks...greens and the ocean. Out of all of the C02 absorbed by them:

Green plants, the predominant influence of which is rain forests absorb as a carbon sink and approx. 20%

or the ocean also being a carbon sink...approx. 80%.

We are unbalancing that. We are tearing down the rain forests for any number of reasons most of which is so-called modern dev. And warmer water in the ocean reduces [it] as a carbon sink.

That brings us to the pure and unsustainable burning of fossil fuels until they are gone and because they remain a highly profitable and highly subsidized use. It's what the scientists call:

The Shfiting Baseline Syndrome which is each generation and on this commodity, about 4 or 5 generations going back to the highly subsidized beginning of the fossil fuel industry that created of the fossil-fuel based industrial revolution.

Fossil fuels were deliberately promoted an entire industry and the coming revolution, a dependence on what scientists call level 2 energy. Level 2 energy moved away gen 1 or from wind and wood or coal burning heat energy and to fossil fuel heat generation.

This 100 years plus leaves society into accepting this version of nature when this syndrome often takes only 25 years to develop. Then society plunders the resource, i.e., seeks to exploit it to its full benefit and leaves us fucked.

Subsequent generations of society now must deal with this new depleted version of nature. That's where we are now and deeply ensconced into fossil fuels for heat energy..

And by not actually throwing Trillion$ (like we did fossil fuels) in subsidy to a similar Manhattan project based on Tesla's technology research on 'free' energy he believed was in earth's natural magnetic field and was on the way to proving it, until J.P. Morgan heard the details, wanted no part of 'free' energy...and pulled th plug on financing Tesla.

Trillion$ in subsidies were used and are still being used in favor of fossil fuels because everybody loves the money involved.

'Mankind' will now need to develop a new gene to survive what will be a new carbon-rich atmosphere and world.

I read an interesting article i will try to find on other cyclic climate trends. It has to do with how our galaxy travels through space. An indication was that the galactic plane has differing degrees of debris included in it,and that the galaxy is in different relation to different proportions of it as it travels. At some times there will be more dust,and so we experience more sub absorption(ice ages). At others there will be more.(warming trend)

This is because the plane is flat,and the galaxy tends to oscillate over under and through the debris layer.

How quickly does our galaxy pass through the dust clouds? In order to explain the current warming trend, we would have to be moving extremely quickly or moving through a very very very large dust cloud, and the rapid warming trend we're currently experiencing would have to mean that we have just extremely rapidly entered a point of perfectly dust-free space. I mean, we're not talking about the gradual progression that I would imagine would be the result of passing in and out of dust clouds.

How dense are the dust clouds? If they are massive enough that our planet is engulfed in enough dust to cause an ice age on every rotation (which takes how long?), they must be pretty dense considering we're talking about a galactic scale... or have they just not moved over the space of millions or billions of years?

Or wait... it's a series of dust clouds?

The debris cloud lies on a flat plane. Imagine the galaxy moving up and down through the flat plane as it progresses through space. I just found it an interesting theory that might help explain more. The last ice age ended about ten thousand years ago-a blink in geologic time. As of yet,we have no methodology to measure interplanetary debris levels. Or any past data on it.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Additionally, even if (1) climate change is not, wholly or partly, man-made, and (2) the current climate changes are merely natural cycles, then it STILL makes far more sense to take what steps we can to address those consequences, rather than deny the changes have happened and are happening.

There's nothing "scientific" about that denial.

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Here's an idea, Google "the year without a summer." In a nutshell you will find that a volcano eruption put so much soot and ash into the atmosphere that the sun could not get through and the earth cooled a bit.

The lesson learned from mother nature is that if we want to stop this so called "global warming," we need to polite the air with so much smoke and dust that the sun can't get through. But then the Sierra Club and all the other environmentalist freaks wouldn't be happy.

Aerosol pollution causes cooling for sure (it's how they explain the cooling period roughly between the 50s and the late 70s, when aerosols were more carefully regulated), but this comes with its own set of problems that I don't think need to be explained. If you want to experience aerosol-related cooling, go to Beijing on one of their bad air days. If you breathe deep enough for a few hours, you'll get enough pm2.5 particles in your lungs to shave a year or two off of your life.

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Here's an idea, Google "the year without a summer." In a nutshell you will find that a volcano eruption put so much soot and ash into the atmosphere that the sun could not get through and the earth cooled a bit.

The lesson learned from mother nature is that if we want to stop this so called "global warming," we need to polite the air with so much smoke and dust that the sun can't get through. But then the Sierra Club and all the other environmentalist freaks wouldn't be happy.

Aerosol pollution causes cooling for sure (it's how they explain the cooling period roughly between the 50s and the late 70s, when aerosols were more carefully regulated), but this comes with its own set of problems that I don't think need to be explained. If you want to experience aerosol-related cooling, go to Beijing on one of their bad air days. If you breathe deep enough for a few hours, you'll get enough pm2.5 particles in your lungs to shave a year or two off of your life.

Prove it.

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Prove it.

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I believe the claim against is that there is a vast conspiracy which spans dozens of nations, the entire climate science community, and a good 50 years. There are such things but they are generally impossible to hide. You see something similar in globalization but it's right out there for everyone to see. I find it dubious that the scientific community could contain such a vast secret when organizations like the NSA fail daily at much, MUCH smaller efforts.

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Some of them involve conspiracies in the science community, but others state that the media is overreacting or misrepresenting 'real' scientists. I've had plenty of online 'debates' where deniers have cherrypicked or misinterpreted legitimate sources to 'prove' that it's all just media hype.

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC
Here's an idea, Google "the year without a summer." In a nutshell you will find that a volcano eruption put so much soot and ash into the atmosphere that the sun could not get through and the earth cooled a bit.
The lesson learned from mother nature is that if we want to stop this so called "global warming," we need to polite the air with so much smoke and dust that the sun can't get through. But then the Sierra Club and all the other environmentalist freaks wouldn't be happy.

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC
Here's an idea, Google "the year without a summer." In a nutshell you will find that a volcano eruption put so much soot and ash into the atmosphere that the sun could not get through and the earth cooled a bit.
The lesson learned from mother nature is that if we want to stop this so called "global warming," we need to polite the air with so much smoke and dust that the sun can't get through. But then the Sierra Club and all the other environmentalist freaks wouldn't be happy.

Maybe we could cause a couple volcanic eruptions every decade to exert a little control on the global temperatures.

I think Jimmy Neutron had an idea where he sprayed sunblock into the upper atmosphere as a shield. While I admit that's a silly cartoon response, who's to say it couldn't resemble a strategy in the real world?