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Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 10:54:08 AM   
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"The Republican Party is a Party without a Purpose."

Philip Klein unloads on the GOP in the pages of the conservative Washington Examiner, calling Obamacare repeal "the biggest broken promise in political history":

What's so utterly disgraceful, is not just that Republicans failed so miserably, but that they barely tried, raising questions about whether they ever actually wanted to repeal Obamacare in the first place.

Republicans for years have criticized the process that produced Obamacare, and things certainly got ugly. But after having just witnessed this debacle, I think Paul Ryan owes Nancy Pelosi an apology.

One has to admire the commitment that Democrats and Obama had to delivering something they campaigned on and truly believed in. They spent 13 months getting the bill from an initial concept to final passage, and pressed on during many points when everybody was predicting doom. They had public hearings, multiple drafts of different bills, they kept negotiating, even worked into Christmas. They made significant changes at times, but also never lost sight of their key goals. They didn't back down in the face of angry town halls and after losing their filibuster-proof majority, and many members cast votes that they knew risked their political careers. Obama himself was a leader, who consistently made it clear that he was not going to walk away. He did countless rallies, meetings, speeches — even a "summit" at the Blair House — to try to sell the bill, talking about details, responding to criticisms of the bill to the point that he was mocked by conservatives for talking so much about healthcare.

The contrast between Obama and Democrats on healthcare and what just happened is stunning. House Republicans slapped together a bill in a few weeks (months if we're being generous) behind closed doors with barely any debate. They moved the bill through committees at blazing speed, conducted closed-door negotiations that resulted in relatively minor tweaks to the bill, and within 17 days, Trump decided that he'd had enough, and was ready to walk away if members didn't accept the bill as is...

There was a big debate over the course of the election about how out of step Trump was with the Republican Party on many issues. But if anything, this episode shows that Trump and the GOP are perfect together — limited in attention span, all about big talk and identity politics, but uninterested in substance.

Failing to get the votes on one particular bill is one thing. But failing and then walking away on seven years of promises is a pathetic abdication of duty. The Republican Party is a party without a purpose.

Go read the whole thing.

Trump, Ryan, and McConnell's total lack of commitment to repealing Obamcare really does stand in stark contrast to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid's total commitment to passing it in the first place.

On the eve of the House ACA vote in 2010, Obama went to Democrats and implored them to cast a vote many knew would be political suicide.

Sometimes I think about how I got involved in politics. I didn’t think of myself as a potential politician when I get out of college. I went to work in neighborhoods, working with Catholic churches in poor neighborhoods in Chicago, trying to figure out how people could get a little bit of help. And I was skeptical about politics and politicians, just like a lot of Americans are skeptical about politics and politicians are right now. Because my working assumption was when push comes to shove, all too often folks in elected office, they’re looking for themselves and not looking out for the folks who put them there; that there are too many compromises; that the special interests have too much power; they just got too much clout; there’s too much big money washing around.

And I decided finally to get involved because I realized if I wasn’t willing to step up and be true to the things I believe in, then the system wouldn’t change. Every single one of you had that same kind of moment at the beginning of your careers. Maybe it was just listening to stories in your neighborhood about what was happening to people who’d been laid off of work. Maybe it was your own family experience, somebody got sick and didn’t have health care and you said something should change.

Something inspired you to get involved, and something inspired you to be a Democrat instead of running as a Republican. Because somewhere deep in your heart you said to yourself, I believe in an America in which we don’t just look out for ourselves, that we don’t just tell people you’re on your own, that we are proud of our individualism, we are proud of our liberty, but we also have a sense of neighborliness and a sense of community -- (applause) -- and we are willing to look out for one another and help people who are vulnerable and help people who are down on their luck and give them a pathway to success and give them a ladder into the middle class. That’s why you decided to run. (Applause.)

And now a lot of us have been here a while and everybody here has taken their lumps and their bruises. And it turns out people have had to make compromises, and you’ve been away from families for a long time and you’ve missed special events for your kids sometimes. And maybe there have been times where you asked yourself, why did I ever get involved in politics in the first place? And maybe things can’t change after all. And when you do something courageous, it turns out sometimes you may be attacked. And sometimes the very people you thought you were trying to help may be angry at you and shout at you. And you say to yourself, maybe that thing that I started with has been lost.

But you know what? Every once in a while, every once in a while a moment comes where you have a chance to vindicate all those best hopes that you had about yourself, about this country, where you have a chance to make good on those promises that you made in all those town meetings and all those constituency breakfasts and all that traveling through the district, all those people who you looked in the eye and you said, you know what, you’re right, the system is not working for you and I’m going to make it a little bit better.

And this is one of those moments. This is one of those times where you can honestly say to yourself, doggone it, this is exactly why I came here. This is why I got into politics. This is why I got into public service. This is why I’ve made those sacrifices. Because I believe so deeply in this country and I believe so deeply in this democracy and I’m willing to stand up even when it’s hard, even when it’s tough.

Every single one of you have made that promise not just to your constituents but to yourself. And this is the time to make true on that promise. We are not bound to win, but we are bound to be true. We are not bound to succeed, but we are bound to let whatever light we have shine. We have been debating health care for decades. It has now been debated for a year. It is in your hands. It is time to pass health care reform for America, and I am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow.

With Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, Democratic voters had representatives who were as committed to their goals as they were. Republican voters should realize today that they are not so lucky.
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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 11:44:38 AM   
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Nope....as it would cost the republican pish swamp, well a few of them, their seats in both houses....


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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 11:59:03 AM   
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the hard core nutsuckers did. The moderates and so on did not once they figured out what their hyperbolic and factless ideological .theories would cost them in votes and debt, that could not be hidden like they are hiding it now.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 12:40:14 PM   
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i know :(

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 1:22:54 PM   
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one purpose ..... to save their asses in 18
simplistic but true none the less, non of them gave a damn about the health of their constituents when writing the damn thing

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 1:30:13 PM   
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-cave-on-obamacare-repeal-is-the-biggest-broken-promise-in-political-history/article/2618413

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 2:05:25 PM   
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/opinion/and-jesus-said-unto-paul-of-ryan.html?_r=0

I know I posted this elsewhere but this is SO appropriate here....LOL!


I think the gop hasn't a fucking clue of what they wanted other than they didn't want Obama to of had anything left as a legacy.

rump said "who knew healthcare was so complicated?"...... well Obama did .....which is why the AHCA was such so many pages,

the gop was proud of itself that it wrote less pages of a law.......

but what they did write is SO ineffective its a joke..... and considering the clown they have in the white house.....


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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 2:26:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

one purpose ..... to save their asses in 18
simplistic but true none the less, non of them gave a damn about the health of their constituents when writing the damn thing


all they EVER have cared about is tax cuts for the wealthy and putting conservatives on the supreme court.

anything else was just shit they had to promise / lie to get those two things.......

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 7:35:53 PM   
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I believe the Democrats are following the same obstructive path as the Republicans did in the first two years of Obama's administration. They are missing a chance to change the minds, and votes, of moderate Americans.

The Democrats have agreed that Obama care needs changes to provide affordable healthcare to all Americans.... so why have they not presented proposed changes to accomplish this to the public as an alternative to the Republican plan?

I understand and agree they should not have voted for the Republican disaster but they are coming off as obstructionist...giving Trump the ammo to get out of his responsibility for the failure of his plan. If instead they provided alternatives that would be popular with the American public Trump could have been forced to include these changes in his plan or perhaps loose the house in the next elections.

Butch

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 7:56:56 PM   
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Uh, no. they are not going to offer amendments to a bill known as repeal and replace Obamacare. Not obstructionist, they aint nutsuckers is all.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 8:08:02 PM   
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Why not Ron? Why not be the party that tries to put the American people in front of party? Why not propose changes that they believe in and would make Obamacare or any care work... THEN if the Republicans rejected them, which they would of course, who do you think would come out on top and perhaps regain the Congress? And... if by some miracle these changes were incorporated in a new healthcare plan who would benefit most..... US.

I hope you don't think this battle is over.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 8:14:14 PM   
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I think Bernie has already offered to work towards a medicaid for all/universal plan.
Wether anyone takes him up on it, remains to be seen.


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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 8:17:20 PM   
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I think as a minority party they have to present a plan as a group rather than individuals to have an impact.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 9:48:53 PM   
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You may well be right butch.
Maybe im wishful thinking.
It happens sometimes.


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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 10:45:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I believe the Democrats are following the same obstructive path as the Republicans did in the first two years of Obama's administration. They are missing a chance to change the minds, and votes, of moderate Americans.

The Democrats have agreed that Obama care needs changes to provide affordable healthcare to all Americans.... so why have they not presented proposed changes to accomplish this to the public as an alternative to the Republican plan?

I understand and agree they should not have voted for the Republican disaster but they are coming off as obstructionist...giving Trump the ammo to get out of his responsibility for the failure of his plan. If instead they provided alternatives that would be popular with the American public Trump could have been forced to include these changes in his plan or perhaps loose the house in the next elections.

Butch

Politically they had every right and still do, to force Trump to come to them. They had no responsibility to come up with anything on their own and especially with how solidly partisan the repubs have been for the last 7 years.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/26/2017 10:47:29 PM   
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quote:

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Why not Ron? Why not be the party that tries to put the American people in front of party? Why not propose changes that they believe in and would make Obamacare or any care work... THEN if the Republicans rejected them, which they would of course, who do you think would come out on top and perhaps regain the Congress? And... if by some miracle these changes were incorporated in a new healthcare plan who would benefit most..... US.

I hope you don't think this battle is over.

Butch

No, this battle isn't over but see my last post.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/27/2017 9:10:38 AM   
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quote:

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one purpose ..... to save their asses in 18
simplistic but true none the less, non of them gave a damn about the health of their constituents when writing the damn thing

Without a purpose, though, at least a pretend one, there's no reason to support them in 2018.

Especially after they bailed on their main campaign promises.

If you don't know what you want, it's hard to get it done.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/27/2017 11:31:03 AM   
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A huge percentage of the population wanted Obamacare discarded as unworkable.
Politicians not so much so as Obamacare is a huge windfall for commercial health insurance companies and high cost commercial health care sellers. The career politicians know where their bread is buttered.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/27/2017 11:32:59 AM   
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They definitely want to repeal it, they just don't want to have to replace it.

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RE: Did Republicans even WANT to repeal Obamacare? - 3/27/2017 7:29:23 PM   
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Yes they have a responsibility to me...and you to serve their constituents to the best of their ability. Saying nothing and offering no solutions does not do this.

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