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Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:03:36 PM   
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Time reports the Trump's approval rating is at a new low of 36%.

But the Atlantic has a thoughtful piece about how the crash and burn of his health care initiative could actually save his presidency.

The idea is that the debaucle could free him from the GOP mess and allow him to work with whomever--i.e., including Democrats--to accomplish things he wants done and the American people want done by and large (infrastructure comes to mind).

Not that the Orange in Chief has so far shown much sense or leadership. But who knows.

What do you think? Could this be a new, more positive direction for the White House?

Or is it the usual double down on ideology and fuck our opponents strategy?
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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:09:24 PM   
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If he plays to the moderate republicans, and gets the right people working with them on the hill (minus bannon and such idiots) he could also get somewhere with moderate democrats and make count in reasonable proposals and side step the freedom caucus.

I dont think its a go, though.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:11:06 PM   
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Getting things past committee would still be a problem, unless 2018 changes who runs them.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:19:57 PM   
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Im hoping that was his plan all along, mind you I think Ive hinted at that before
I know its going to cause a problem as you say in committees and piss off the freedom caucus and medicare guts, But there are dems willing to work with him.

Schumer, is also willing(https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4663786/senator-schumer-calls-intelligence-committee-gavel-taken-away-representative-nunes)*the specific info n the healthcare starts around 4 minutes...
He also mentions Nunes and his problems...

Time will tell. He ran on not cutting medicare and SS etc, I dont think cutting entitlements to the budge suggested will get much constituent vote.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:21:19 PM   
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I dont know how many are on each of the committees, but I think its not enough to affect any 1 committee, I aint gonna look it up and thru though:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/20/house-freedom-caucus-what-is-it-and-whos-in-it/

This is out of date of course but it still remains around 36 give or take in that caucus, and I dont know of any committees they rule.

There might be a chairmanship or two in there, but remember most of these guys are relative newbies, 2010 or later.

And some of them are lets say moderate and some are 'left' even within that catagory so they are going to band together but not at 100% on every issue.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:27:24 PM   
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The only thing that was important to me was the SCOTUS seat which was blocked by the red sea for no apparent reason. I voted for Obama to serve for Pres for 8 years and one of the reason was for scotus seats. Why red got to steal the year which the country gave to Obama is beyond me. Everyone who takes on the job of prez is a temp so to use that as an excuse not to vote on lifetime commitments to scotus is bull crap.

Fuck red. You got the seat..fix your own crap. Dems voted the ACA in..why the hell would they help? Their constituents arent the ones bitching about it.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 2:54:16 PM   
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Yeah, I'm pretty livid at McConnell for that shit too.

And not too happy with Schumer and Biden for getting that sound bite rolling either.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 4:28:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

The only thing that was important to me was the SCOTUS seat which was blocked by the red sea for no apparent reason. I voted for Obama to serve for Pres for 8 years and one of the reason was for scotus seats. Why red got to steal the year which the country gave to Obama is beyond me. Everyone who takes on the job of prez is a temp so to use that as an excuse not to vote on lifetime commitments to scotus is bull crap.

Fuck red. You got the seat..fix your own crap. Dems voted the ACA in..why the hell would they help? Their constituents arent the ones bitching about it.


Thank Fuck Schumer for the SC sitch

I posted this once before, why are leftists incapable of understanding simple basic stuff

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Chuck Schumer Flip-Flops on His Flip-Flop on Obstructing Supreme Court Nominees

Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer flip-flopped Tuesday on his flip-flop on whether the Senate should filibuster and obstruct the president’s Supreme Court nominees.

In 2007, the New York Senator said that the Democratic majority should block any of President George W. Bush’s remaining Supreme Court nominations. “”We should reverse the presumption of confirmation… we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court except in extraordinary circumstances,” he argued. “They must prove by actions not words that they are in the mainstream rather than we have to prove that they are not.”

Schumer’s stance was at the time was unprecedented. Certainly judicial nominations had taken on a partisan bent over the prior two decades, but there had always been lip service to the notion that the president gets the nominee he wants (the “presumption” Schumer alludes to above). The party out of power typically crafted some pretense for opposing the nominee. Schumer dropped the act and admitted that it didn’t matter who Bush nominated, Democrats should oppose them no matter what.

Flash-forward to 2016, when a vacancy opened up on the Supreme Court following the death of Antonin Scalia. This time of course President Barack Obama was the one selecting his replacement, and Schumer was horrified that Republicans were blocking his eventual nominee before he or she was even announced.

Here, [Mitch McConnell] doesn’t even know who the president’s going to propose and he said, no, we’re not having hearings; we’re not going to go forward to leave the Supreme Court vacant at 300 days in a divided time. This kind of obstructionism isn’t going to last. And you know, we Democrats didn’t do this.

…even though that’s exactly what Schumer proposed a decade earlier.

When Merrick Garland was eventually nominated, Schumer then urged Republicans in a statement to hold hearings on the nomination, warning of “judicial chaos” if there were only eight justices:

Senate Republicans need to do their job and give Judge Garland the hearing and vote he deserves because the American people deserve a fully functioning court. Having a deadlocked, 4-4 court could lead to judicial chaos surrounding environmental protections, voting rights, and so many other issues that are important to everyday Americans. This delay has gone on long enough, it’s time for the Senate to do the job we were elected to do.

Which brings us to Schumer’s interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Tuesday night. Maddow argued that the Democrats should refuse to fill the empty seat for the entirety of Trump’s four-year presidency.

“It’s hard for me to imagine a nominee that Donald Trump would choose that would get Republican support that we could support. So you’re right,” he responded.

“And so you will do your best to hold the seat open?” asked Maddow.

“Absolutely,” Schumer said.

Huh. I guess “judicial chaos” isn’t that bad after all, if we can now afford four whole years of it.

Ironically, Schumer is now guilty of arguing in public what Democrats accused Republicans of merely believing in private. Republican leadership never straight-up said they were opposing the Garland nomination because he was an Obama nominee, they went with the excuse that it should be left to the next president. Schumer doesn’t even bother with excuses: we don’t like Trump, so we’ll obstruct, end of story.

And as I noted in November when a Slate columnist also embraced the “keep the seat empty” argument, Republican rhetoric during the Garland nomination makes it hard to accuse them of hypocrisy, while Democrats’ statements over the past year will come back to bite them.

Say what you will about the Republicans’ rather transparent obstruction of Garland, the arguments they chose to forward won’t make them hypocrites come January. They argued the next president should choose the next Supreme Court justice, and now he will. Democrats will have a tougher time of it; their arguments were loftier, that blocking Garland was “disrespecting the Constitution,” that the GOP was “undermining the Supreme Court.” Like Lithwick, they claimed to be above politics, making it all the more awkward for them in the coming years when they inevitably embrace their position as the new obstructionists.

Stay tuned four years from now, to find out whether or not Chuck Schumer will flip-flop on his flip-flop of his flip-flop, or stick with his flip-flop of his flip-flop.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/chuck-schumer-flip-flops-on-his-flip-flop-on-obstructing-supreme-court-nominees/



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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/27/2017 6:36:36 PM   
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I think its proven that nutsuckers and felchgobblers are retarded, mixing their strawmen with ineptitude and toiletlicking.

Looks like Schumer said then wheat he is saying now.

Since the nutsucker nominee has not proven his abilitiy and 'mainstreamness' to win the nomination, it should be blocked.

Thats the sort of thing that nutsuckers such as Felchgobbler Gobbles likes to demonize and propagandize when there are no nearby pedophiles to pimp.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/28/2017 5:51:02 AM   
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The problem with the idea of Trump allying himself with Democrats is that he doesn't work well with others, and his other policies are so hard right they might resist on principle. He might not be a traditional Republican, but he isn't a Democrat either.

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/28/2017 6:01:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

He might not be a traditional Republican, but he isn't a Democrat either.


Which one, on either side, is not a lying,cheating,scheming,phoquing asshole?

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RE: Danger and Opportunity for Trump now - 3/28/2017 7:28:56 AM   
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As high as 36% you say - pants on fire per chance? They really should stop polling the asylum and high viscosity buckets of complete shite.


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